Topic: Here's a question for Storm, or Stephen, or Sethan, or graduates, or scientists (Read 3438 times)

Dash Jones · « **on:** July 10, 2004, 11:51:56 pm »

If one has come up with a new mathmatical theorum with Calculus, and in some ways can even integrate it into astro physics...how would one publish that. I know there are several journals out there, but if one doesn't have a graduate degree, just reads a lot, how would one get published...and what methods would you suggest.

I've thought about perhaps writing a book, publishing it and sending it out to universities?

I've thought about trying to get it into the journals, but without being an official part of a symposium, and not having the recognized educational degree (such as a masters or doctorate), I think my chances in that are about nil.

I've also thought about sending it to some site on the internet. I've heard there is a site that publishes papers done by people in the scientific fields, and I was wondering where these sites are and how one would be able to get this published...as well as which are more reputable than others.

I believe this may be an arena not covered before, and something definately new...but without spending years going over material I've already read in the texts, in a college scheme simply to get the recognition to push the same material forward, I'm uncertain how to proceed...

Stormbringer · « **Reply #1 on:** July 11, 2004, 12:03:05 am »

I think stephen is more knowledgeable about the math peer review than I am. I'll defer to him.

Sethan · « **Reply #2 on:** July 11, 2004, 12:51:57 pm »

You stumped me, Dash. I don't know where to begin to look that up.

Lepton · « **Reply #3 on:** July 11, 2004, 01:00:13 pm »

I think your best bet would be to go a major local university and talk with a mathematics professor. I have no idea of your background, but the prof should be able to give you some sort of objective assessment of the veracity of your proof. From there, if things come out well, I'm sure that person or someone else would be glad to serve as a second author on a paper or give you advice on getting published in general. If he or she would steal your idea, then he or she is a real ass and you will have just hit a bit of bad luck. Good luck to you.

Sirgod · « **Reply #4 on:** July 11, 2004, 01:49:58 pm »

Lepton Is onto Something there. Also you could Submit your work to The Various Mathematics Journals out there.

Here Is a List at this link... http://www.icmc.sc.usp.br/~andcarva/jourclass.html

The Problem is getting someone to read your work. as A Reletivly unknown, and Non-accredited It will be very hard to do. The Best Bet is to get someone to Help sponcer you Dash.

Stephen

Dash Jones · « **Reply #5 on:** July 11, 2004, 02:24:35 pm »

Thanks for the listing of journals! And the ideas of talking to a Professor at a nearby University.

Dash Jones · « **Reply #6 on:** July 11, 2004, 02:26:33 pm »

Quote from: Lepton on July 11, 2004, 01:00:13 pm

I think your best bet would be to go a major local university and talk with a mathematics professor. I have no idea of your background, but the prof should be able to give you some sort of objective assessment of the veracity of your proof. From there, if things come out well, I'm sure that person or someone else would be glad to serve as a second author on a paper or give you advice on getting published in general. If he or she would steal your idea, then he or she is a real ass and you will have just hit a bit of bad luck. Good luck to you.

Yes, I'm thinking that perhaps what I've done, if it checks out, would be something someone would actually want to take, which is why I'm a little concerned, and wondering how to protect my work first and then do the consultation...publishing is always a good way for protection, as then it's copyrighted and there's proof of when it occurred, however getting it published is the problem.

After that I could consult with any professor and others with no fear.

mathguy · « **Reply #7 on:** July 11, 2004, 04:23:42 pm »

Dash,

Quote from: Dash Jones on July 10, 2004, 11:51:56 pm

If one has come up with a new mathmatical theorum with Calculus, and in some ways can even integrate it into astro physics...how would one publish that. I know there are several journals out there, but if one doesn't have a graduate degree, just reads a lot, how would one get published...and what methods would you suggest.

I've thought about perhaps writing a book, publishing it and sending it out to universities?

I've thought about trying to get it into the journals, but without being an official part of a symposium, and not having the recognized educational degree (such as a masters or doctorate), I think my chances in that are about nil.

I've also thought about sending it to some site on the internet. I've heard there is a site that publishes papers done by people in the scientific fields, and I was wondering where these sites are and how one would be able to get this published...as well as which are more reputable than others.

I believe this may be an arena not covered before, and something definately new...but without spending years going over material I've already read in the texts, in a college scheme simply to get the recognition to push the same material forward, I'm uncertain how to proceed...

I'm new to this board, as I just found out that Taldren was going under. I used to participate in the old Taldren boards a long time ago (SFT-richmlow)....Anyways, I was just perusing the various messages....

With regards to new mathematical discoveries, it is reasonable to have a math professor take a look at it. This would serve several purposes:

1. He or she could tell you if it is new and significant work.
2. Assuming that it is, he or she could point you towards an appropriate venue for publication.
3. The prof. could point out mistakes, make comments, and give general advice to you.

Having said this, there are some drawbacks to this approach. They include:

1. If you just appear out of nowhere and ask a prof. to take a look at your discoveries, you may be dismissed as a "nutcase". This is certainly a possibility....as there was a student who did exactly that in the Mathematics Dept. at my university.
2. Your work may be stolen. This is also a possibility, but it is very UNLIKELY. Unless your work is of the quality deserving a Field's Medal (math equiv. of Nobel Prize), your work will not be taken.

There are places on the internet to submit work directly, but some of these are NOT peer-reviewed. As a result, there is alot of nonsense, mixed in with quality stuff. I would NOT recommend taking this route.

I hope that this helps.

Sincerely,

Richard M. Low, Ph.D.
Dept. of Mathematics
San Jose State University

low AT math DOT sjsu DOT edu

Dash Jones · « **Reply #8 on:** July 11, 2004, 04:32:45 pm »

Quote from: mathguy on July 11, 2004, 04:23:42 pm

Dash,

Quote from: Dash Jones on July 10, 2004, 11:51:56 pm
If one has come up with a new mathmatical theorum with Calculus, and in some ways can even integrate it into astro physics...how would one publish that. I know there are several journals out there, but if one doesn't have a graduate degree, just reads a lot, how would one get published...and what methods would you suggest.

I've thought about perhaps writing a book, publishing it and sending it out to universities?

I've thought about trying to get it into the journals, but without being an official part of a symposium, and not having the recognized educational degree (such as a masters or doctorate), I think my chances in that are about nil.

I've also thought about sending it to some site on the internet. I've heard there is a site that publishes papers done by people in the scientific fields, and I was wondering where these sites are and how one would be able to get this published...as well as which are more reputable than others.

I believe this may be an arena not covered before, and something definately new...but without spending years going over material I've already read in the texts, in a college scheme simply to get the recognition to push the same material forward, I'm uncertain how to proceed...

I'm new to this board, as I just found out that Taldren was going under. I used to participate in the old Taldren boards a long time ago (SFT-richmlow)....Anyways, I was just perusing the various messages....

With regards to new mathematical discoveries, it is reasonable to have a math professor take a look at it. This would serve several purposes:

1. He or she could tell you if it is new and significant work.
2. Assuming that it is, he or she could point you towards an appropriate venue for publication.
3. The prof. could point out mistakes, make comments, and give general advice to you.

Having said this, there are some drawbacks to this approach. They include:

1. If you just appear out of nowhere and ask a prof. to take a look at your discoveries, you may be dismissed as a "nutcase". This is certainly a possibility....as there was a student who did exactly that in the Mathematics Dept. at my university.
2. Your work may be stolen. This is also a possibility, but it very UNLIKELY. Unless your work is of the quality deserving a Field's Medal (math equiv. of Nobel Prize), your work will not be taken.

There are places on the internet to submit work directly, but some of these are NOT peer-reviewed. As a result, there is alot of nonsense, mixed in with quality stuff. I would NOT recommend taking this route.

I hope that this helps.

Sincerely,

Richard M. Low, Ph.D.
Dept. of Mathematics
San Jose State University

low AT math DOT sjsu DOT edu

Thanks!

Currently it is a formula/proof (more like a proof actually) which can predict unknown infinities with precision, as opposed to known infinities. I haven't read anything that really covers it yet, but theoretically, if applied, and if certain numbers were known, it could state exactly how large the universe was, and how fast it is or is not expanding, or if it even is expanding...theoretically that is.

Don't know if that would be anything notable or not...still looking into how I want to approach introducing it, or if I do. I'm not even certain how I would write it up overall, as right now it's only around 11 pages worth of math. I'll just have to figure out a nice professor.

How would I approach a professor and NOT appear as a nutcase at first? Well, maybe not a nutcase, but convince them not to dismiss me until they at least had previewed my work?

mathguy · « **Reply #9 on:** July 11, 2004, 04:51:21 pm »

Dash,

Approaching a professor with your discoveries, without appearing to be a nutcase, may be difficult. I'm not sure how one can avoid this.

Try to find a professor who is willing to listen. If he or she seems to take very little interest, move on to someone else. Don't go barging into someone's office asking for an audience. Go during office hours, introduce yourself, and ask if they would be willing to look at your work. Try to have something written down for the both of you to look at.

Good luck!

J. Carney · « **Reply #10 on:** July 11, 2004, 05:06:16 pm »

Quote from: mathguy on July 11, 2004, 04:51:21 pm

Dash,

Approaching a professor with your discoveries, without appearing to be a nutcase, may be difficult. I'm not sure how one can avoid this.

Try to find a professor who is willing to listen. If he or she seems to take very little interest, move on to someone else. Don't go barging into someone's office asking for an audience. Go during office hours, introduce yourself, and ask if they would be willing to look at your work. Try to have something written down for the both of you to look at.

Good luck!

Dash...

We may have had some vehement disagreements, but I'd like to try to offer a little advice here...

The first suggestion is that age and education level is a tremendous consideration. If you are below college age- and truthfully below post-grad age or are below either of these in education level (I mean paperwork, not haw smart you really are- you know that the paper is just a rubber stamp anyway), then this might work.

Find a friend or relative that is in school, preferably a low-level, not-so-prestegious college (or a 2-year junior college if you have one nearby) and has a good working relationship with their Calc teacher.

Set up an appointment through that friend. Have them make it clear to the prof that they are bringing in a nonstudent to ask some questions about an idea that he has. In most cases, the smaller the school the better you chance of acceptance will be. Also, if you do have errors in your proof, the guy at the smaller school is more likely to help you fix them than dissmiss you out of hand.

Go in to the professors office like you would go into a court case- WELL PREPARED. Have a copy of your proposal that is neat to a fault- and the original with all the scribbles and doodles in case he wants to check it, too. ALso, be ready for a grilling like you have never recieved in your accidemic carreer- unless you just did a PhD defense. Keep notes of you arguments and points and notes on your notes so you won't leave anything out when he questions you.

If he believes you are on to something, you now have two legs up on trying to go into a larger institution and explain your theory, because you have not only this man to help you find a more respected professor to hear your argument, you also have a professional that is already sold on your idea- and (sadly) that usually takes people farther than good ideas do.

From there, I can give you no help, but I say start small and try to start with someone you know, or at least can get to know.

Sethan · « **Reply #11 on:** July 11, 2004, 07:05:23 pm »

One quick suggestion. Before you show it to anyone - as in days before - get it all down on paper and take it to a notary public, and get it notarized. Alternatively, mail it to yourself certified mail (and don't open it when it arrives).

The notary stamp and date / postmark will be proof that you came up with the idea and when - before you show it to someone else.

J. Carney · « **Reply #12 on:** July 11, 2004, 07:23:24 pm »

Yeah... I forgot about the mailing it to yourself thing, Sethan!

Leave it to you to come up with the most important things!

E_Look · « **Reply #13 on:** July 11, 2004, 10:09:37 pm »

Dash, I don't mean to be funny, but you could go after a MS, MA, or Ph.D.

I don't know where you are now, but I seem to get the impression you're either in high school or college. If the latter, hold on to your stuff a few more years, and go to graduate school. Physics may not be a bad choice, either. Keep a lookout in the established journals to see if anyone is "hot" on your trail, even if by accident.

Sirgod · « **Reply #14 on:** July 11, 2004, 10:37:46 pm »

I suggest you follow all the Wise words of those above. Then I suggest you take your work, To George Sudarshan at the Uniiversity of Texas. He Might Might Listen too you. He's Been kinda Out there since his work on Tachyons And his works published on them in the 80's.

MathGuy, I'm Pleased t Make your acquaintence. Please Keep responding here on these Forums, as I'll Bring a few more Math Topics Myself, As I have a Kindred Spirit.

Stephen

mathguy · « **Reply #15 on:** July 11, 2004, 11:18:33 pm »

Stephen,

Quote from: Stephen on July 11, 2004, 10:37:46 pm

I suggest you follow all the Wise words of those above. Then I suggest you take your work, To George Sudarshan at the Uniiversity of Texas. He Might Might Listen too you. He's Been kinda Out there since his work on Tachyons And his works published on them in the 80's.

MathGuy, I'm Pleased t Make your acquaintence. Please Keep responding here on these Forums, as I'll Bring a few more Math Topics Myself, As I have a Kindred Spirit.

Stephen

A pleasure to make your acquaintance. It's not too often that I can find somebody to talk about mathematics with....especially over the Internet!!

Mathguy
Richard M. Low

Lepton · « **Reply #16 on:** July 12, 2004, 01:21:18 pm »

I'd say the best way not to look like a nutcase is to actually know what you are talking about. That would mean not only having all your terminology in order and a well presented proof, but also a decent familiarity with any work in the area that you are addressing. If you can recite chapter and verse the relevant work in the field or associated lines of inquiry that might lead to what you are addressing, then it would be difficult for someone not to listen especially if you can demonstrate your knowledge. I guess that's a bit of common sense but that would be my suggestion.

Sirgod · « **Reply #17 on:** July 12, 2004, 02:10:58 pm »

Quote from: Lepton on July 12, 2004, 01:21:18 pm

I'd say the best way not to look like a nutcase is to actually know what you are talking about. That would mean not only having all your terminology in order and a well presented proof, but also a decent familiarity with any work in the area that you are addressing. If you can recite chapter and verse the relevant work in the field or associated lines of inquiry that might lead to what you are addressing, then it would be difficult for someone not to listen especially if you can demonstrate your knowledge. I guess that's a bit of common sense but that would be my suggestion.

Very Good Advice with That Lepton.

BTW Richard, I always enjoy good Dialouge when It comes to Mathematics. My Personal Favorite SubTopics are Counting Numbers, and Primes. Good Stuff IMHO.

Stephen

Dash Jones · « **Reply #18 on:** July 12, 2004, 07:46:42 pm »

Thanks for the advice guys. I might try getting one of my cousins in Texas to go see that person, I just now have to organize the papers, and write out a way of explaining it so that he will be able to at least have a gist of what to say to the professor!

I also think I'll try the mailing thing...though I am a little unclear what a notary is...

J. Carney · « **Reply #19 on:** July 12, 2004, 07:52:29 pm »

Quote from: Dash Jones on July 12, 2004, 07:46:42 pm

Thanks for the advice guys. I might try getting one of my cousins in Texas to go see that person, I just now have to organize the papers, and write out a way of explaining it so that he will be able to at least have a gist of what to say to the professor!

I also think I'll try the mailing thing...though I am a little unclear what a notary is...

A Notary is a person who approves legal documents. They just have a little stamp that they hit your paper with for about $5 a pop and BOOM... it's a legal document.

You can get a list of them at any county courthouse in the States.

Sirgod · « **Reply #20 on:** July 12, 2004, 08:54:27 pm »

Exactly what Mr. J. Carney said. Also, If you have any Math Questions about your Paper, I'd Be happy to answer them, Granted I can understand them. And Of Course as God , and everyone here as My Witness, It would Still be your Paper. I could be Nothing More then a sounding board for you Dash.

Stephen

mathguy · « **Reply #21 on:** July 13, 2004, 12:58:35 am »

Dash,

Quote from: Stephen on July 12, 2004, 08:54:27 pm

Exactly what Mr. J. Carney said. Also, If you have any Math Questions about your Paper, I'd Be happy to answer them, Granted I can understand them. And Of Course as God , and everyone here as My Witness, It would Still be your Paper. I could be Nothing More then a sounding board for you Dash.

Stephen

I am also willing to answer any questions about your paper as well...and of course, nothing is expected in return. It will still be your paper.

Richard
Mathguy

Sirgod · « **Reply #22 on:** July 13, 2004, 02:25:04 am »

I'd take him up on It Dash. He seems like a Decent Guy.

Stephen

Dash Jones · « **Reply #23 on:** July 13, 2004, 10:40:12 am »

Quote from: Stephen on July 13, 2004, 02:25:04 am

I'd take him up on It Dash. He seems like a Decent Guy.

Stephen

I might...I have to do the next hard step now however (well, figuring everything out took a loong time, and this next portion shouldn't take quite as long), but I have to write out the report/text that will explain it and show the proofs, as well as documentation in an orderly and concise fashion (concise might be the hardest part, I tend to be long winded if you hadn't been able to tell). So, working on it.

Sirgod · « **Reply #24 on:** July 13, 2004, 12:22:57 pm »

Quote from: Dash Jones on July 13, 2004, 10:40:12 am

Quote from: Stephen on July 13, 2004, 02:25:04 am
I'd take him up on It Dash. He seems like a Decent Guy.

Stephen

I might...I have to do the next hard step now however (well, figuring everything out took a loong time, and this next portion shouldn't take quite as long), but I have to write out the report/text that will explain it and show the proofs, as well as documentation in an orderly and concise fashion (concise might be the hardest part, I tend to be long winded if you hadn't been able to tell). So, working on it.

hehe, Going for the Turling award are you?

Stephen

Sethan · « **Reply #25 on:** July 14, 2004, 12:07:01 am »

Quote from: J. Carney on July 12, 2004, 07:52:29 pm

Quote from: Dash Jones on July 12, 2004, 07:46:42 pm
I also think I'll try the mailing thing...though I am a little unclear what a notary is...

A Notary is a person who approves legal documents. They just have a little stamp that they hit your paper with for about $5 a pop and BOOM... it's a legal document.

You can get a list of them at any county courthouse in the States.

Yep - When the notary stamps the document, it is also dated with that day's date - which is important for proving that you had it on that date, when you show the work to someone later, if they try to take credit for it.

mathguy · « **Reply #26 on:** July 14, 2004, 04:44:07 pm »

Has anybody come across any interesting math problems lately?!

Richard
Mathguy

Dash Jones · « **Reply #27 on:** July 15, 2004, 05:46:55 pm »

I glanced over a book about the number zero...it covered some of it's history, unfortunately though, I spent too much time at Taldren (I mean Dynaverse.net now) and had to return it before I did much more than skim through it...

Before that there might be...I'd have to dredge up the paperwork that I did...Oh that's right...there is one...I have it bookmarked to the page...

Unfortunately the computer isn't hooked up but I'll PM you if I can find the formula...and no, I haven't figured it out...

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