Topic: D-5 "Kareli" Heavy Cruiser

[ModelsPlease]

Just in time for the weekend ............

D-5 "Kareli" Heavy Cruiser


Many thanks once again goes out to Wolfsglen for this awesome ship.And you can find it here on my page at Manitoba's site.........
http://www.freewebs.com/manitobashipyards/modelspleasesshipyard.htm
or
http://www.battleclinic.com/docks/files/dist/index.php?file=c28053c5c042fd671cfca9586859fed8.zip
Enjoy !!!
 
-MP

[S33K100]

Erm, no offense but it just looks like a D7 with an overblown bridge and warp-nacelles, I suppose this is the SFB styl K-D5W new heavy cruiser yeah? I guess it looks like what it's supposed to but I just think they could have spent a bit more time thinking about the Klingon designs, you know, make it possible to tell one from another without a microscope.

[Wolfsglen]

Thats because basically it IS a D7 with a third engine.

The schematic i used:


Personally im not too keen on the design, but MP asked so nicely i really didnt mind doing it for him. I only wish half the "simple kitbash" requests i get were as easy or clear as MP asks for lol. If there is one pet peeve of mine, its getting a simple request such as "i just want excelsior engines on a connie, no other changes" (for example) which you make and put up for download, then suddenly that person wants about 100 further exotic bloody requests for changes and additions on it!  Why cant people ask for it all in the first place? If you wanted ten gazillion changes, why not ask in the first place instead of saying you wanted something simple? Grrr!

Ahem 

[Bernard Guignard]

Hi Wolfsglen
   While your at it could you do a D7V in a Ktinga style all you do is take another shuttle bay and stack it on top
of the the existing one that is there.    Nice job by the way 

 

[Rogue]

Hi Wolfsglen
   While your at it could you do a D7V in a Ktinga style all you do is take another shuttle bay and stack it on top
of the the existing one that is there.    Nice job by the way 

 

Gow did one that just about matches your request. From the description...

This is a rework of the Stock KCA to a more detailed appearance. Rounded bridge sections were added, the KA "borg green" textures were replaced and the model was remapped to allow proper texturing of some areas.

There are 5 modfiles included that use common maps, a KCA, a Fast KCA with enhanced warps, and 3 versions of a Strike carrier.

the highest poly count in the pack is 680 polys, all maps are 256.


http://www.fileplanet.com/dl/dl.asp?/strategyplanet/sfc/ships/GowsKCA.zip

[Desty Nova]

Hmm, I wonder where this design came from? In SFB, the D5 war cruiser (which is basically a CL and doesn't look like that) was designed by the Kareli Design Bureau. No coincidence there, I'm thinking. But the D5 is a completely different ship. This is just a D7 with a third engine strapped on.

 ???

[ModelsPlease]

Hmm, I wonder where this design came from? In SFB, the D5 war cruiser (which is basically a CL and doesn't look like that) was designed by the Kareli Design Bureau. No coincidence there, I'm thinking. But the D5 is a completely different ship. This is just a D7 with a third engine strapped on.

 ???

For Desty Nova  and everyone else who wants to know about this ship, I found it here.......
http://www.shipschematics.net/
The site has many cool designs on it.The is where some of Terradynhes amazing models come from as well.There are a few fanfic designs there as well.I personally like the ones based on the General Star Trek Bibliography like the "Kareli"which is from.....

Title:Starfleet Battles
Author(s):Task Force Games
Publication Date:1970's to Present

Again thanks Wolfsglen
 
-MP
 
 

[Captain Pierce]

The thing that confuses me is, and admittedly I don't know jack about SFB , but when I see "D-5," knowing that the TOS battlecruiser is D-7, the K't'inga is D-8 (as far as I'm concerned, anyway :p ), and a future cruiser-sized BoP variant will be the D-12, I expect the "D-5" to be somewhat less advanced than the D-7, rather than just a kitbash of the D-7.

Besides, if you're going to just add a nacelle to a D-7, I much prefer having it on the boom like the C-8 dreadnought... 

No offense to anyone involved, I'm sure there's a place for it in a lot of people's games as a D-7 variant of some sort... 

[S33K100]

That's not a D5 in the SFB sense, that's a really sh!tty kitbash and isn't the D5, the D5 is bassically a really shrunk down D7 but with the standard sized engines and bridge module so you can tell it's smaller, not exactly innovative but check out Atrahasis' version as he actually made it different to the D7. Anyway, I just ignore the exstence of the scaled up BoPs anyway though the D-12 has only ever been seen as the Duras sisters' ship in Generations and it was roughly the original tiny 100-150m size as the one Kirk nicked in the films. so 'D' designations don't seem to have any pattern in canon anymore. Oh and I believe the K'T'inga has some designation D7A or D7M or something like that, not sure though. In SFB terms, in the timeline the K'T'inga comes in around the time that the Klinks get their 'K' refits I think, so in my shiplist any D7s with the 'K' refit are K'T'ingas in my weird little universe :p

[Desty Nova]

The thing that confuses me is, and admittedly I don't know jack about SFB , but when I see "D-5," knowing that the TOS battlecruiser is D-7, the K't'inga is D-8 (as far as I'm concerned, anyway :p ), and a future cruiser-sized BoP variant will be the D-12, I expect the "D-5" to be somewhat less advanced than the D-7, rather than just a kitbash of the D-7.

Besides, if you're going to just add a nacelle to a D-7, I much prefer having it on the boom like the C-8 dreadnought... 

No offense to anyone involved, I'm sure there's a place for it in a lot of people's games as a D-7 variant of some sort... 

This issue has actually been addressed in SFB. The progression of Klingon cruisers from the early years goes D1, D2, D3, D4, D6, and D7. The D5 designation was reserved for an experimental design in the middle years that didn't pan out because the D6 came along and the D5 was never built(except possibly one prototype). So the designation was left unused and when the Empire needed a new war cruiser to replace the mounting D6/D7 losses in the General War, they selected D5 as its designation.

BTW, this ship would definitely fall under the 'scary ships' category in SFB. A D7 with 15 more warp power and 2 more disruptors! Egads that would be a nasty opponent! Like some kind of super-light dreadnought...   

[Captain Pierce]

the D-12 has only ever been seen as the Duras sisters' ship in Generations and it was roughly the original tiny 100-150m size as the one Kirk nicked in the films. so 'D' designations don't seem to have any pattern in canon anymore.

Yeah, most of the "Treknology" sites want to say that the D-12 from Generations was the 109-meter TMP-era "B'Rel" BoP.  Two problems I see with that--first, I get the sense that it's a much bigger ship (the Bridge set used, IIRC, is the standard TNG-era one that was being used for the bigger 327-meter "K'Vort" BoP, and where would Soran have room for his little torture chamber in the "B'Rel?" ), and secondly, shield nutation frequencies or not, I refuse to believe that a "B'Rel" packs enough firepower to take out a Galaxy-class starship. 

Oh and I believe the K'T'inga has some designation D7A or D7M or something like that, not sure though. In SFB terms, in the timeline the K'T'inga comes in around the time that the Klinks get their 'K' refits I think, so in my shiplist any D7s with the 'K' refit are K'T'ingas in my weird little universe :p

Yeah, FASA calls the K't'inga a D-7M, IIRC.  By the time I saw that, though, I'd already seen D-8 too many times (in admittedly non-canon sources ), so that's how I've pegged it in my weird little universe... 

[S33K100]

There's plenty of room in a B'rel for a torture chamber, I mean that rear hull has space inside it you know, they fit 2 bloody big whales in it. LOL
I think you've fallen for the 'bigger is better' trap, you could put quantums on a B'rel and they'd be just as powerful as on a sovvy, why you'd want to is beyond me...

But the point is the BoP can have whatever spec disruptors and torpedos you put on it, just like the Excelsiors and Mirandas keep up completely so that they're still used as frontline ships in the Dom War - so were the B'rels in much of the CGI footage. If suitably armed a B'rel could take down a Dominion Battleship (in a test situation where the Battelship never fired back :p)

Oh and the BoP in Generations was stated to be several decades obsolete so regardless of size it's weapons would have been outdated, but if you remember they didn't destroy the Ent-D, only damaged it very slightly, the thing was they got a direct hit on one of the nacelles and this presumably caused a nasty horrible reaction thingamajig that made the warp core go screwy and explode.

The Enterprises have a very bad record with getting blown up by B'rels - 3 out of 4 known so far, probably the Ent-B suffered this ignominious fate aswell knowing B&B

[zerosnark]

Dumb design, but still a nice model. I think the blame obviously belongs elsewhere.

  There are just too many ships out there that are just stupid kit bashes and make no practical sense whatsoever. Even the great Franz Joeseph Designs was guilty of this by showing the *same* saucer for the Fed CA, DD, SC, and tug. At least the dreadnaught had a larger saucer. Our friends at ADB were also very notorious for silly kit bashing. The Gorn CM was stated to be a HDD with a second dish slapped on. As an engineer, I *HAVE* to think there is more to the change than that. Historically, when this type of stuff was done to warships, the results were HUGE compromises, Tremendously expensives, and the resulting ships not all that good. 

[KBF-Crim]

Well...I like it....the more Klink TOS and TMP varients the better....

Doh...that reminds me....Models....could this go one step further and give us a D77?

[ModelsPlease]

Well...I like it....the more Klink TOS and TMP varients the better....

Doh...that reminds me....Models....could this go one step further and give us a D77?

Ok ignorance time....What's a D77 ? If you have a picture of diagram of it perhaps it's a possibility.
-MP

[FoaS_XC]

Well...I like it....the more Klink TOS and TMP varients the better....

Doh...that reminds me....Models....could this go one step further and give us a D77?

whats a D-77?

[KBF-Crim]

Picture an X-wing D7...

4 engines...two up...two down...

I'll try and hunt something down...

D77 came out in "scary ships"....

[KBF-Crim]

Check it out...only the SSD....I thought somebody did one a long time ago but I couldnt tell yea who...

http://www.starfleetgames.com/sfb/sft/images/R3_j5_d77.gif

STAR FLEET BATTLES SFT 40 - SCARY SHIPS
 

SCARY SHIPS: PART 1

    The history of the Star Fleet Universe includes many things that are terrifying, horrifying, or just plain scary. Not among the least of these are a number of ships found in the files of Star Fleet Intelligence and the Galactic Intelligence Agency. Indeed, we found so many scary ships in the file that it was impossible to pick between them, and we were forced to use two issues (SFT40 and SFT41) to cover them all.

(R3.J5) KLINGON D77 BULLET CRUISER: Legend has it that the Klingon Galactic Bureau actually managed to convince the Federation’s Galactic Intelligence Agency that this ship existed. As the SSD shows, this variant of the D7 has an extra pair of engines mounted on wings extending up from the main hull. This provided more firepower (four extra disruptors) not to mention more raw power for movement, reinforcing shields, electronic warfare, etc. (this ship can move speed 31 while normally arming and firing all weapons, or 24 overloading). Presumably the boom would have required some revisions to clear the firing arcs for the upper disruptors, and note the change to the arcs for the waist phasers.

Other data: Same as D7 except Year in Service Y174, Docking Points 9, Explosion Strength 31, Notes CJ.

****************************************

Here's another scary bastage...

http://www.starfleetgames.com/sfb/sft/images/R2_j5_cac.gif

 STAR FLEET BATTLES SFT 41 - SCARY SHIPS
 

SCARY SHIPS: PART 2

    The history of the Star Fleet Universe includes many things that are terrifying, horrifying, or just plain scary. Not among the least of these are a number of ships found in the files of Star Fleet Intelligence and the Galactic Intelligence Agency. Indeed, we found so many scary ships in the file that it was impossible to pick between them, and we were forced to use two issues (SFT40 and SFT41) to cover them all.

(R2.J5) FEDERATION CLOSE ASSAULT CRUISER (CAC): The USS Carronade was an actual design proposal that floated around Star Fleet Command for years after the phaser-G was deployed. The idea was that the ship, based on an NCL hull, would be able to close with an opponent to point-blank range and then wreck it. It was believed that even an Orion enforcer with all its power in reinforcement would not be able to resist such an attack.

To aid in closing on the target, the design had a specially strengthened forward shield. Shuttle capacity was reduced in exchange for both a larger APR deck and battery system. The APRs were needed to enable the ship to recharge its weapons quickly while maintaining maximum possible speed. The battery system was designed to allow the ship to instantly reverse its EW status when it fired. The ship retained the type-G drone rack of the basic NCL design to allow it to launch ECM drones in self-defense, and for additional drone defense to save the phaser-Gs for an offensive killing strike.

The basic attack doctrine was that the ship, with phaser capacitors fully charged, would pursue a target while using maximum ECM and erratic maneuvers, dropping erratic maneuvers and reversing its EW status at the point of firing. If possible, the ship was to be supported by a scout for additional ECM and ECCM (and possible O-ECM to the target ship).

Studies indicated that the ship, once identified by an enemy fleet, rapidly became the centerpiece of enemy fire-control solutions and was not viable. It did, however, make the rounds of the Academy’s simulation systems and provided more than one prospective captain and cadet with an exceedingly unpleasant surprise when they neglected to engage their science stations.

Other Data: No spare shuttle, Year in Service Y174, Docking Points 6, Explosion Strength 20, Command Rating 6, Notes CJ.
Based on a somewhat different proposal by Chuck Strong.

Fed and Emp Data: 10-7/2-4 if Battle Intensity Rating is six or higher otherwise attack factor is Zero. Feds can build one ship per year beginning Fall Y174 at the cost of a CW (5 EP), but no carrier escorts can be built as new construction or conversion on a turn during which this ship is built, including as replacements (308.132). Other data (repair cost, etc.) same as NCL.

 

Cheesy?.....kinda...

But compared to X-ships?...nah...

[ModelsPlease]

Kinda like this one?
http://www.shipschematics.net/startrek/images/klingon/dreadnaught_khamby.jpg

Which I have BTW.
-MP

[Desty Nova]

Check it out...only the SSD....I thought somebody did one a long time ago but I couldnt tell yea who...

http://www.starfleetgames.com/sfb/sft/images/R3_j5_d77.gif

STAR FLEET BATTLES SFT 40 - SCARY SHIPS
 

SCARY SHIPS: PART 1

    The history of the Star Fleet Universe includes many things that are terrifying, horrifying, or just plain scary. Not among the least of these are a number of ships found in the files of Star Fleet Intelligence and the Galactic Intelligence Agency. Indeed, we found so many scary ships in the file that it was impossible to pick between them, and we were forced to use two issues (SFT40 and SFT41) to cover them all.

(R3.J5) KLINGON D77 BULLET CRUISER: Legend has it that the Klingon Galactic Bureau actually managed to convince the Federation?s Galactic Intelligence Agency that this ship existed. As the SSD shows, this variant of the D7 has an extra pair of engines mounted on wings extending up from the main hull. This provided more firepower (four extra disruptors) not to mention more raw power for movement, reinforcing shields, electronic warfare, etc. (this ship can move speed 31 while normally arming and firing all weapons, or 24 overloading). Presumably the boom would have required some revisions to clear the firing arcs for the upper disruptors, and note the change to the arcs for the waist phasers.

Other data: Same as D7 except Year in Service Y174, Docking Points 9, Explosion Strength 31, Notes CJ.

****************************************

Here's another scary bastage...

http://www.starfleetgames.com/sfb/sft/images/R2_j5_cac.gif

 STAR FLEET BATTLES SFT 41 - SCARY SHIPS
 

SCARY SHIPS: PART 2

    The history of the Star Fleet Universe includes many things that are terrifying, horrifying, or just plain scary. Not among the least of these are a number of ships found in the files of Star Fleet Intelligence and the Galactic Intelligence Agency. Indeed, we found so many scary ships in the file that it was impossible to pick between them, and we were forced to use two issues (SFT40 and SFT41) to cover them all.

(R2.J5) FEDERATION CLOSE ASSAULT CRUISER (CAC): The USS Carronade was an actual design proposal that floated around Star Fleet Command for years after the phaser-G was deployed. The idea was that the ship, based on an NCL hull, would be able to close with an opponent to point-blank range and then wreck it. It was believed that even an Orion enforcer with all its power in reinforcement would not be able to resist such an attack.

To aid in closing on the target, the design had a specially strengthened forward shield. Shuttle capacity was reduced in exchange for both a larger APR deck and battery system. The APRs were needed to enable the ship to recharge its weapons quickly while maintaining maximum possible speed. The battery system was designed to allow the ship to instantly reverse its EW status when it fired. The ship retained the type-G drone rack of the basic NCL design to allow it to launch ECM drones in self-defense, and for additional drone defense to save the phaser-Gs for an offensive killing strike.

The basic attack doctrine was that the ship, with phaser capacitors fully charged, would pursue a target while using maximum ECM and erratic maneuvers, dropping erratic maneuvers and reversing its EW status at the point of firing. If possible, the ship was to be supported by a scout for additional ECM and ECCM (and possible O-ECM to the target ship).

Studies indicated that the ship, once identified by an enemy fleet, rapidly became the centerpiece of enemy fire-control solutions and was not viable. It did, however, make the rounds of the Academy?s simulation systems and provided more than one prospective captain and cadet with an exceedingly unpleasant surprise when they neglected to engage their science stations.

Other Data: No spare shuttle, Year in Service Y174, Docking Points 6, Explosion Strength 20, Command Rating 6, Notes CJ.
Based on a somewhat different proposal by Chuck Strong.

Fed and Emp Data: 10-7/2-4 if Battle Intensity Rating is six or higher otherwise attack factor is Zero. Feds can build one ship per year beginning Fall Y174 at the cost of a CW (5 EP), but no carrier escorts can be built as new construction or conversion on a turn during which this ship is built, including as replacements (308.132). Other data (repair cost, etc.) same as NCL.

OMG 64 PHASER-3'S ON THE SAME DAMN SHIP

OH.....MY.....GOD