Topic: Braga: Next Trek film to deal with Romulan War

[Rat Boy]

I think some of the confusion comes from a book that was published years ago called the "Romulan Way" by Dianne Carey. It wasnt your usual sort of shoot'em up star trek book but and actual novel that laid out the Vulcan/Romulan history from when the race split into seperate nations (this is where the name Rhihannsu came from). It actually began thousand of years before Star Trek TOS back in Surak's  time and dealt with the Vulcans development of logic and how some of the clans refused to accept the idea on non-emotion (they felt it emasculated the race) However the Vulcans/Rhihanssu did understand that another war on Vulcan would destroy the planet for everyone. So they gathered up there clans and put them on the sleeper ships and headed out to what the thought would be a similar planet. And of course with sleeper ships something always goes wrong and one group of the vulcans/Rhihansuu ended up on Remus. Evenetually the Vulcans from Romulas hooked up with the Vulcans of Remus and understood what happened and set out to carve out thier own nation.

All of which isn't canon and shouldn't be treated as such.  There are plenty of novels like that out there, some good, some not that got overruled by canon episodes and movies, some good, some not.

The thing is that Nemisis basically trahsed all that.

If you want to discuss the quality of the film, that's one thing, but just bear in mind that it is canon and there isn't anything you can do to change that.  For every "Balance of Terror" or "Unification" we accept, we also much accept every "Spock's Brain" or "Justice" as well.

[Rat Boy]

The Cartoon is NOT cannon, Paramount insisted on this.

Initially they did and even tried to suppress it from ever being shown again.  Now, however, they're releasing it on DVD either late this year or early next year, which clouds the issue.

[Hyperion]

I think some of the confusion comes from a book that was published years ago called the "Romulan Way" by Dianne Carey. It wasnt your usual sort of shoot'em up star trek book but and actual novel that laid out the Vulcan/Romulan history from when the race split into seperate nations (this is where the name Rhihannsu came from). It actually began thousand of years before Star Trek TOS back in Surak's  time and dealt with the Vulcans development of logic and how some of the clans refused to accept the idea on non-emotion (they felt it emasculated the race) However the Vulcans/Rhihanssu did understand that another war on Vulcan would destroy the planet for everyone. So they gathered up there clans and put them on the sleeper ships and headed out to what the thought would be a similar planet. And of course with sleeper ships something always goes wrong and one group of the vulcans/Rhihansuu ended up on Remus. Evenetually the Vulcans from Romulas hooked up with the Vulcans of Remus and understood what happened and set out to carve out thier own nation.

All of which isn't canon and shouldn't be treated as such.  There are plenty of novels like that out there, some good, some not that got overruled by canon episodes and movies, some good, some not.

The thing is that Nemisis basically trahsed all that.

If you want to discuss the quality of the film, that's one thing, but just bear in mind that it is canon and there isn't anything you can do to change that.  For every "Balance of Terror" or "Unification" we accept, we also much accept every "Spock's Brain" or "Justice" as well.

The reason I posted that part was that someone was curious about the book and so i laid oout what i knew. As far as "canon" as ive said before its been open to a lot of interpretation. My issue with B&B is that it seems that they dont really have one. For whenever thier working on one particular star trek venue that "canon" (thiers that is) seems to be re-written constantly (which explains why we see so many temporal episodes).

I went into the Nemisis movie in length for the reason to highlight this kind of behaviour. We now have to deal with the travesty that these individuals have created for us (im not gonna mention the new Vulcan foreheads). Im aware that when you make a movie like this its done ultimately to make money, without the profit, no more movies, no more shows. For those who have grown up with star trek we learned to roll with the punches  but even now those who are fanatic about star trek movies ans shows are staying away in droves. Those who are general SciFi fans dont roll at all they go see stuf like I-Robot and think its a great movie.

B&B have already killed off the general publics desire for Star Trek and now they alienate the fans of the concept(Fanatic and non fanatic). Utlimately i dont care what "canon" they have, i just wish they would choose one and stick with it

[J. Carney]

And I doubt that they got that from SFB, because in SFB, Remus is in a seperate star system than Romulas.

There is no canon proof of that.

Didn't I just say that?!?!

Rat Boy, I KNOW that SFB is not considdered cannon.

I was trying to say that it was unlikely that they used information from a non-cannon game to write a non-cannon movie and you accuse me of my information being non-cannon?
 
I just freely admitted that fact! I know the canonical guidlines for Trek.

Hope no hard feelings, man, but that wasa little fierce.


As for the Romulas/Romii, I think that that was some writer's poor knowledge of the workings of a dead language meeting head on with an attempt to make a Latin-sounding plural of Romulas.

Sorry that I like a little bit of 'non-canon' flavor to my Trek. The whole game that we play here is technically 'noncanon,' so what's the big deal.

Just read you new ppost- nothing would please me more than B&B picking one version of 'canon' and sticking to it...

unless I could hook up with Nikole Kidman... that would be even better.

[Rat Boy]

(im not gonna mention the new Vulcan foreheads).

They've had them since they first appeared on TNG in the first season, back when Roddenberry had control.

[J. Carney]

B&B dont need to be shot, drawn and quatered, beaten maimed or mutliated. They just need to go do something a bit more suited to their tastes, maybe the next Lizzy Mguire movie?

 

Hypereion, that has to be the best suggestion that anyone could give them that did not involve a physically impossible use of thier 'little friends.'

[Hyperion]

(im not gonna mention the new Vulcan foreheads).

They've had them since they first appeared on TNG in the first season, back when Roddenberry had control.

Granted, but if i recall correctly the first Season had Dc Fontana and David Gerrold as writers and after they didnt last long. If "canon" means aliens with new bumps on thier heads when peviously they didnt,and whatever slops they through us on film, then i guess were doomed. In which case they might as well have put a hairweave on partick stewarts head for the second season.

[EmeraldEdge]

Just wait, the next B&B Trek project will feature all humans with forhead ridges.   The claim will be that they just didn't have the budget to put forhead ridges on all the human characters before, but now they do so on they go. heh.

[Dash Jones]

The Cartoon is NOT cannon, Paramount insisted on this.

Initially they did and even tried to suppress it from ever being shown again.  Now, however, they're releasing it on DVD either late this year or early next year, which clouds the issue.

Wow!  Really!?  When do they go on sale!?  I've never seen any of the animated Trek...Very excited if I could!

[Chris SI]

I have some of them on VHS, bought at Cons.

They run hot and cold, but some have really good stories.

For example, the 'holodeck' was shown for the first time in an animated episode, "Practical Joker," and this was the old TOS Enterprise, not even movie modified.

I did see them live, once upon a time.

[J. Carney]

I have some of them on VHS, bought at Cons.

They run hot and cold, but some have really good stories.

For example, the 'holodeck' was shown for the first time in an animated episode, "Practical Joker," and this was the old TOS Enterprise, not even movie modified.

I did see them live, once upon a time.

Yeah, TOS is given more credit in the novels and TAS for having better tech that Rodenbery couldn't do with 1960's not-so-special effects.

All of the Diane Duane books I have mentioned give the Big E a holodeck and several smaller 'holotanks' for playing games like Sulu's version of SFC.

[Hyperion]

Just wait, the next B&B Trek project will feature all humans with forhead ridges.   The claim will be that they just didn't have the budget to put forhead ridges on all the human characters before, but now they do so on they go. heh.

And theyll get Jessica Simpson to be the new ships counseler in whatever series they think of next, i can see it now.

" LT cmmder Mindy looks into her desks computer terminal deep in thought...the music rises in crescendo as they tension rises, all of sudden!!!! ....she flips out her lipstick and redoes her lips "taupe goddess" just in time to beam down with the away team"

Then next thing ya know.....Ms simpson is "canon"

[J. Carney]

Then next thing ya know.....Ms Simpson is "canon"

'Cannon' or not, she could blow me away anytime...

She just don't need to be in Trek...

"CUE THE HUMANS WITH FOREHEAD RIDGES!!!

[Hyperion]

Then next thing ya know.....Ms Simpson is "canon"

'Cannon' or not, she could blow me away anytime...

She just don't need to be in Trek...

"CUE THE HUMANS WITH FOREHEAD RIDGES!!!

But they gotta make her wear one of those little starfeelt microminis and i wouldnt care if she had ridges or not

[J. Carney]

Then next thing ya know.....Ms Simpson is "canon"

'Cannon' or not, she could blow me away anytime...

She just don't need to be in Trek...

"CUE THE HUMANS WITH FOREHEAD RIDGES!!!"

But they gotta make her wear one of those little starfeelt microminis and i wouldnt care if she had ridges or not

True that, Sir... true that.

[EmeraldEdge]

Heck, if they follow the "Let's always have a hot chick in tight clothing despite what everyone else is wearing" paradigm they seem to have we may just have the Starfleet Bikini Squad show up.   You never know.  It's pre-holo deck tech so they have to get their entertainment somewhere, what better than an onboard Bikini crew.  heh.  It makes perfect sense right?

[Chris SI]

TOS was big on micro-mini skirts.

[J. Carney]

TOS was big on micro-mini skirts.

Can we put her in the Mirror Universe uniform instead?

[EmeraldEdge]

TOS was big on micro-mini skirts.

Hehe, yep!   But at least they ALL wore micro-mini's   they didn't have everyone runnning around in jumpsuits except for the "hot-chick" who wore a micro-mini everyweek.   Starfleet's general order "If she's hot, we gotta see it.  Stick her in the tight small uniform.  Everyone else get's the baggy" (although technically I find Hoshi hotter than T'pol, and so forth.  The tight clothes chics are rarely my personal fave).

[J. Carney]

(although technically I find Hoshi hotter than T'pol, and so forth.  The tight clothes chics are rarely my personal fave).

I like Hoshi better too. She is just so sweet and innocent that it make you wanna do all kind of 'interesting' things to her.