Topic: Braga: Next Trek film to deal with Romulan War

[Rat Boy]

Excerpts from the latest Star Trek Communicator up at the Trek BBS


Also has bullets from an interview with Berman and the aforementioned talk with Braga concering the direction of S4 of ENT and the movie:

On Feds:
"We definitely want to start getting into some major Trek-oriented historical landmarks". "There are going to be some major interstellar events and conflicts happening that could involve the forming of the federation. We're going to see more of what's going on back at Earth. We might see something dealing with the Eugenics Wars".

On the Rommie war:
" It's certainly one of the things that we've been discussing. But there's also a prequel feature in development regarding the ROMULAN WARS, so we might have to stay away from that".

Well, that's certainly an eyebrow raiser.

[J. Carney]

Sounds like the fool finally figured out who butters his bread since they nearly ditched Enterprise due to horrid ratings.

Mayhaps we fans are starting to get through to him... or at least appeal to the better angles of his pocketbook?

[EmeraldEdge]

The only drawback is that these fools are still in charge of it and have ruined so much already.  They'll even take credit for coming up with the idea of the Romulan war, and say it was something they wanted to do all along.  heh.  They should have been shot for the appearance of the Remans alone (and the bastardization of what the Romulans are).  Just what kind of Romulans will they be fighting?  Maybe even a new breed?  Ugh!

[J. Carney]

Bravo EmeraldEdge!

I heartily agree, B&B ruined the Rihannia for everyone. THey took a race of honorable people full of a noble kind of savagery and turned them into the ultimate backstabbers.

[Crusader]

Well I for one am shocked that they are finally talking about the Earth/Romulan War.  My greatest fear for Enterprise was that they were going to blow off this single most important event in trek history.  If they had blown the war off it would have totally ruined Enterprise for me.  I have tolerated Enterprise to this point mostly in the hopes of seeing the Earth / Romulan War played out on the show.

Now at least there's room for hope.

[Rat Boy]

More official information.


And as for the "Rihannia" or whatever, that is not canon; just an invention by some author years ago.  As for the rest, well, when you have a species that only appeared in two episodes in the Original Series and then never again for two decades, it leaves open a lot for interpretation.

[Merlinfmct87]

Quite. I'm sorry, but the concept of Rhiannsu(Spell check me J. Carney) and "Treachery will get you anywhere" just don't mix. Beh.

Commander Donatra(nemisis) was nice to see though .

Merlin

[Merlinfmct87]

Speaking of--Where do you get all that wonderful Romulan Language stuff J. Carney? I'd love to add some of it to my sig. It looks wonderful.

Maybe mixed with a little elvish...

Merlin

[J. Carney]

More official information.


And as for the "Rihannia" or whatever, that is not canon; just an invention by some author years ago.  As for the rest, well, when you have a species that only appeared in two episodes in the Original Series and then never again for two decades, it leaves open a lot for interpretation.

RatBoy...

Sorry I'm not a Fed lover, but I like the idea that the Romulans could be noble and honorable- like they were portrayed in TOS- and not be a bootlicking Freddy.

A lot of characters were portrayed only once or twice in TOS and are still fixtures for fans:

Cyrino Jones
Harcort Fenton Mudd
Kahn Noonian Sughn (he got a movie deal out of one show)
The Mirror Universe
Tribbles
The Horta
The Tholians
The Gorn

The Klingons were fixtures on the show because the USSR was a fixture of everyday life, nothing more.

This is how non-canon things become canon. Fans like them and the directors listen. Enough Rom fans start using Diane Duane's alnguage she cooked up and Trek will make it canon, with her permission.

After all the bloody Klingon fans did it!

[Rat Boy]

Sorry I'm not a Fed lover, but I like the idea that the Romulans could be noble and honorable-

And some are.  But, just as Mark Lenard's Romulan Commander gave them an honoable side, so too did the character of Decius give them a treacherous side, a side that came to light in the early days of TNG when Roddenberry ran the show.  If you want to blame someone for character assassination, blame him.

[J. Carney]

Sorry I'm not a Fed lover, but I like the idea that the Romulans could be noble and honorable-

And some are.  But, just as Mark Lenard's Romulan Commander gave them an honoable side, so too did the character of Decius give them a treacherous side, a side that came to light in the early days of TNG when Roddenberry ran the show.  If you want to blame someone for character assassination, blame him.

But he also had Sela (who dispite having what seemed to Picard as being a twisted outlook on honor) who held to the original xenophobic, superior race, honor-bound type of character that the two Commanders in the TOS episodes did...

The Empire and Honor above all.

B&B really killed the Roms in Nemisis, but it was more of a coup de gras than a single, vicious stroke.

[Rat Boy]

B&B really killed the Roms in Nemisis, but it was more of a coup de gras than a single, vicious stroke.

Correction again, it was only one B for the movie, and despite some of the Romulans, they were ultimately redeemed by the characters of Donatra and Suran.  Other than that, what exactly were the lead-ups to this coup de gras?

[J. Carney]

B&B really killed the Roms in Nemisis, but it was more of a coup de gras than a single, vicious stroke.

Correction again, it was only one B for the movie, and despite some of the Romulans, they were ultimately redeemed by the characters of Donatra and Suran.  Other than that, what exactly were the lead-ups to this coup de gras?

Didn't know itwas only one B in the movie- will reserve a special hatred forhim from now on. 

Rodenbery did start it, looking for a new *hopes his Russian is right* Glavney Provitnik 'Main Adversary' to replace the Klingons (best term I can come up with since they werer representative of the USSR). It wasn't so much in how the characters were written, but more in how the race was portraied. All references to the Romulans contain a prejudice- an inherent 'bad guy' mentality that was not present in the two TOS appearances.

TOS, even with the Klingons, portrayed a race without such a tremendous bias being present. Sure the Klingons and Romulans were enemies of the Federation, but they were not viewed as, in a word, EVIL- they were shown as being what they were, an alien culture that ascribed to a different school of thought.

TNG just started making them 'Bad Guys,' and attached a real stigma to the antagonist role that any species in that slot had to endure. With the exceptions of Jerok and Sela, I cannot think of another Romulan character in TNG that held to a real code of honor.

That was why I said it was a coup de grace- the Roms had been bled dry subtly by bad press for a long time- Nemisis just blew what was left out the window with the whole Reman thing.

[Dash Jones]

I actually loved Nemesis.  I have no problem seeing the Romulans as making another race subservient to them...in fact with some of their attitudes, I would expect it.  Afterall, not everyone can be as great as a Romulan!

 

[DAnahos_XC]

Excerpts from the latest Star Trek Communicator up at the Trek BBS


Also has bullets from an interview with Berman and the aforementioned talk with Braga concering the direction of S4 of ENT and the movie:

On Feds:
"We definitely want to start getting into some major Trek-oriented historical landmarks". "There are going to be some major interstellar events and conflicts happening that could involve the forming of the federation. We're going to see more of what's going on back at Earth. We might see something dealing with the Eugenics Wars".

On the Rommie war:
" It's certainly one of the things that we've been discussing. But there's also a prequel feature in development regarding the ROMULAN WARS, so we might have to stay away from that".

Well, that's certainly an eyebrow raiser.

* DAnahos_XC blinks and does a double take.

//me parties like it's 1999...well 2004, anyway.

[EmeraldEdge]

I actually loved Nemesis.  I have no problem seeing the Romulans as making another race subservient to them...in fact with some of their attitudes, I would expect it.  Afterall, not everyone can be as great as a Romulan!

 

The problem is that the Remans, are actually Romulans.  I still have not seen the film yet so I haven't memorized it all, but supposedly they were turned into these vampire things by exposure to elements on Remus or something.  Just bad.  What's worse is the forhead ridges on the Romulans.  Who's brilliant idea was that?  Not only does it look stupid, but it takes away some of the cool thing about Romulans.  They could be anywhere in the Federation because they looked just like Vulcans (where they came from in the first place).  Given the time they have been away from Vulcan, it is also highly unlikely that they would have "evolved" a forhead ridge (let alone into some hideous Nosferatu like being) given the longer life cycle of Vulcans, and their long periods in between mating, they just wouldn't have that many generations in several hundred years to have evolved like that. 

[Desty Nova]

I agree with J.Carney about it being stupid how the Romulans were turned into staright up bad guys. Like they were all being evil for the sake of being evil. And yes, Nemesis was pretty much the last nail in the coffin IMO.
One of the things I have always liked about SFB is that none of the main races are 'evil' (except possibly the Andros). They all have their problems and noble qualities, and they are variously made enemies because of conflicting viewpoints or needs. Many of them hate each other and would have everyone believe their opponents are 'evil', but this is just not so with any of them. Makes them all more believable I think. The Romulans and Klingons are not sitting behind their borders twirling their big black moustaches and hatching their next evil scheme while laughing maniacally, they are simply doing what they think is right for their people, empires, the galaxy, whatever.   

That being said, I'll have a good laugh at how B&B screw this up. 

[J. Carney]

I actually loved Nemesis.  I have no problem seeing the Romulans as making another race subservient to them...in fact with some of their attitudes, I would expect it.  Afterall, not everyone can be as great as a Romulan!

 

The problem is that the Remans, are actually Romulans.  I still have not seen the film yet so I haven't memorized it all, but supposedly they were turned into these vampire things by exposure to elements on Remus or something.  Just bad.  What's worse is the forhead ridges on the Romulans.  Who's brilliant idea was that?  Not only does it look stupid, but it takes away some of the cool thing about Romulans.  They could be anywhere in the Federation because they looked just like Vulcans (where they came from in the first place).  Given the time they have been away from Vulcan, it is also highly unlikely that they would have "evolved" a forhead ridge (let alone into some hideous Nosferatu like being) given the longer life cycle of Vulcans, and their long periods in between mating, they just wouldn't have that many generations in several hundred years to have evolved like that. 

See, Emerald Edge, here's something that they missed making Remus toxic-

Remus is a desert world.
Vulcan is a desert world.

Romulans, while traveling from Vulcan, grew Vulcan grain. Where would this grain indigenious to a dry planet grow best?

Wet Romulas
Dry Remus?

Remus was the breadbasket of the Empire; being the plante most like Vulcan, it was the one that the Romuland could adapr their food stocks to the easiest.

Oh, yeah... info on Romulan lifecycles:

Physical maturity- early 20's
Legally "Of Age" - 25
average lifespan 160 - 180 years; max: aprox 215 years

Romulans don't do the "7 Year Itch" thing either reguarding mating. They are just like humans in the fact that when they want it, they want it. Romulans may marry anytime from their mid to late 20's onward and can continue to have children almost their whole first century.

There were 13 gernerations between the end of the Journey (flight from Vulcan) and Humanity stumbling accross them.

[Magnum357]

I agree with most, even though I like TNG, I like TOS Romulans more then TNG Romulans.  Much more interesting in my opinion.  And I agree with Desty Nova about SFB races literature, they are far more interesting then a lot of the stuff we see in Star Trek lately. 

So what do you guys think?  Does this Romulan War movie stand a chance?  I just hope if they do make a Romulan War Movie that they don't use Enterprise as a basis for it.  But I have a feeling B&B will probably do it anyways.   

[EmeraldEdge]

Yeah, I forgot they don't do the whole 7 year thing, but I still don't buy that they could evolve into the bumpy forhead guys in that short a time (especially if you take consider the time period TOS to TNG rather than Flight to TNG).   I take TOS Romulans as they way they are supposed to be, because they appeared that way in TMP movies as well (whereas they changed the Klingons, but I think they should have explained it as another species of Klingon in the empire rather than just blowing it off and not explaining).  So, somewhere from Kirk's time to TNG all romulans grew pronounced forhead ridges.

I agree with you on the Remus thing, but weren't the Remans supposedly mutated because they were mining something or other?  Like I said, I haven't seen the movie yet so I don't really know the full extent of it, but knowing B&B (or B in this case) I'm sure it wasn't well thought out.