Topic: Ferrell's weapons charts?

[AdmWaterTiger-11thFleet-]

Where are they? Need them.

Not here. Help. Modder freaks.

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WaterTiger

[Merlinfmct87]

Ph-A

Range: 0-1 2-4 5-6 7-10 11-16 17-20 21-24 25-31 32-40
--------9---8---7---6-----5-----5-----4------3-----2
--------8---7---6---5-----5-----4-----3------2-----1
--------7---5---5---4-----4-----4-----3------1-----0
--------6---4---4---4-----4-----3-----2------0-----0
--------5---4---4---4-----3-----3-----1------0-----0
--------4---4---3---3-----2-----2-----0------0-----0

Ph-B NOTE: This is damage on bare hull. Against shields it is 1/3 of listed.

Range: 0-1 2-4 5-6 7-10 11-16 17-20 21-24 25-31 32-40
--------15-15--13--13----9------9-----6-----6-----2
--------15-15--13---9----9------6-----6-----3-----2
--------15-15--13---9----6------6-----3-----2-----2
--------15-15---9---6----6------3-----3-----2-----0
--------15-15---9---0----0------0-----0-----0-----0
--------15--0---0---0----0------0-----0-----0-----0


Plasma X:
Range:

0 to 8.25 = 40 damage

8.26 to 12.15 = 29 damage

12.16 to 16.15 = 20 damage

16.16 to 20.15 = 13 damage

20.16 to 23.30 = 6 damage

23.31 to 24.10 = 1 damage


Plasma Snare:

Range:

0 to 10 = 20 damage

11 to 15 = 14 damage

16 to 20 = 10 damage

21 to 23 = 6 damage

24 = 3 damage

25 = 1 damage

Working on PH-G2

[Merlinfmct87]

Ph-G2

Range: 0-2  3  4-8  9-15  16-30  31-50
-----------4----4-----4--------3---------2----1
-----------4----4-----4--------3---------2----1
-----------4----4-----3--------2---------2----1
-----------4----3-----3--------2---------1----0
-----------4----3-----2--------2---------1----0
-----------3----2-----1--------1---------0----0

Enjoy!

Merlin

[AdmWaterTiger-11thFleet-]

OK, where are the SFC3 one's? They used to be a sticky topic.

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WaterTiger

[Merlinfmct87]

Beat's me. Do a search of it, might turn up.

Merlin

[AdmWaterTiger-11thFleet-]

Beat's me. Do a search of it, might turn up.

Merlin

Did, can't find SFC3 charfts.

But looking at those EAW PPD charts, the weapon is still too uber

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WaterTiger

[Merlinfmct87]

Beat's me. Do a search of it, might turn up.

Merlin

Did, can't find SFC3 charfts.

But looking at those EAW PPD charts, the weapon is still too uber

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WaterTiger

TELL ME ABOUT IT!

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Merlin

[Demandred]

Beat's me. Do a search of it, might turn up.

Merlin

Did, can't find SFC3 charfts.

But looking at those EAW PPD charts, the weapon is still too uber

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You leave my uber PPD alone! 

WaterTiger

[The Pelican]

I still have my Weapon Chart Maker if you want it WaterTiger, it's on my Hard Drive somewhere.

[Fluf]

Actually Pelican, I have both your types of charts here on my desktop somewhere.  Would it be ok to put these in the download section here for all the players in SFC3 to use.  I think it would a good asset for the community here.  I know you made them available on Taldren a month or so ago and I think they are great.  It would prevent us having to post all those long charts on the forums.

[AdmWaterTiger-11thFleet-]

Actually Pelican, I have both your types of charts here on my desktop somewhere.  Would it be ok to put these in the download section here for all the players in SFC3 to use.  I think it would a good asset for the community here.  I know you made them available on Taldren a month or so ago and I think they are great.  It would prevent us having to post all those long charts on the forums.

Simple request; sticky them like they were in ol' Taldren boards from Ferrell.

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WaterTiger

[The Pelican]

Feel free Fluf, though I'm certain I updated them after I released them to fix a couple of errors. I'll have to check.

[FVA_C_ Blade_ XC]

Beat's me. Do a search of it, might turn up.

Merlin

Did, can't find SFC3 charfts.

But looking at those EAW PPD charts, the weapon is still too uber

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WaterTiger

They always call what they cant beat cheese.

ECM and EM ring a bell????

[AdmWaterTiger-11thFleet-]

Blade, anyone who knows ANYTHING about EAW knows PPD was OTT.

To argue differently is nuts -- ECM or not.

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WaterTiger

[FPF-DieHard]

PPD and Caveat III fighters are fair and balanced 

Nothing to see here, move along 

[Merlinfmct87]

Even long-time SFB'ers say that the PPD was crazy. Note: The long-time SFB'er in this anecdote is NOT ME! Three pulses is all it needs for standard mode to be effective. You want four, go to OL. That just seems to make good sense.

Another idea for a fix is to make two different generic types of ships: Riflemen and Snipers. Many ships in SFB use this design theory.

Merlin

[zerosnark]

I don't know.

When I played SFB, I always thought the ISC and the PPD's were over rated. What made ISC ships OTT was the type I plasma's. When playing ships without I plasma's, things seemed ok.

I do remember one fleet action where my oppenent took a fairly standard ISC fleet, with two PPD shooters and 3-4 plasma armed support ships. I took an equal BPV fed fleet of six ships. The first volley of prox photons effectively silenced the lighter of the two PPD ships. Yeah, a few destroyers went down. The ISC faired much worse. 

[Julin Eurthyr]

The biggest complaint I've heard about the PPD in SFB is the fact that it's an "auto-mizia" weapon.  Comeon, 4 pulses, over 4 impulses, each pulse from a multiple PPD ship counts as it's own volley etc...  People complain that it's unfair to have a weapon that naturally takes advantage of a particular strategy.

2x PPD hitting range 10 bare hull for all 4 pulses = 8 sets of 4 rolls on the DAC.

It's an interesting mechanic, and it results in a lot of weapon-killed but still functional ships.

What makes it so annoying in SFC is that the pulses hit faster than the DAC resets.

Without the PPD, the iSC's nothing more than a glorified Gorn-clone.  The I-torps aren't special enough IMO to write home about.  They're nothing more than packs of severely limited Pl-F...

Anyway, proxie torps, Kaufman retrogrades, and large / floating map missions are the bane of the ISC.  So are drones and fighters...

Now, the SFC-creation Caveat IIIs are not the best creation I've seen come down the pipe, 3 gatlings per fighter in a 4 fighter flight equals more range 0 damage than just about anything in the game, short of a DN-sized alpha strike...  Being limited in what we have available as replacements for the gatlings (either full ship-sized Pl-F or broken Dro-D) makes the life of someone attempting to seek balance without cloning existing fighters very difficult...

[Merlinfmct87]

The biggest complaint I've heard about the PPD in SFB is the fact that it's an "auto-mizia" weapon.  Comeon, 4 pulses, over 4 impulses, each pulse from a multiple PPD ship counts as it's own volley etc...  People complain that it's unfair to have a weapon that naturally takes advantage of a particular strategy.

2x PPD hitting range 10 bare hull for all 4 pulses = 8 sets of 4 rolls on the DAC.

It's an interesting mechanic, and it results in a lot of weapon-killed but still functional ships.

What makes it so annoying in SFC is that the pulses hit faster than the DAC resets.

Without the PPD, the iSC's nothing more than a glorified Gorn-clone.  The I-torps aren't special enough IMO to write home about.  They're nothing more than packs of severely limited Pl-F...

Anyway, proxie torps, Kaufman retrogrades, and large / floating map missions are the bane of the ISC.  So are drones and fighters...

Now, the SFC-creation Caveat IIIs are not the best creation I've seen come down the pipe, 3 gatlings per fighter in a 4 fighter flight equals more range 0 damage than just about anything in the game, short of a DN-sized alpha strike...  Being limited in what we have available as replacements for the gatlings (either full ship-sized Pl-F or broken Dro-D) makes the life of someone attempting to seek balance without cloning existing fighters very difficult...

And that might be why the ISC are such terrible enemies in SFC: The tried-and-true tactics are not available in SFC.

Interesting thought, thanks Julian!

Merlin

[Grim]

Personally i have no problem at all with the ppd, caveats on the other hand is a different story....