Topic: SFB-style Klingon C5 and C8/C9

[FireSoul]

*TEASER*

B8, anyone? 

[zerosnark]

B8: Evil, Evil, Evil. 
The B8 is a ship that I do not have much experience with, given that I have not bought the more recent SFB stuff. An interesting (if scary) ship based upon the specs.

I would take a moment to say that I really like your recent work on models. 

Refreshing to see new Klingon models => I just installed the other models this morning.

If you are bored, I have always "been in the market" for a good F5. I do admit that I always thought the original SFB F5 to be too "toy like" (the Fed FF has the same problem).

[FireSoul]

The F5?.. *thinks* .. I'm not sure I would know what it should look like. Perhaps it's best that I leave it alone for now and concentrate on what I need to finish first.

The B8 is the logical progression towards my short-term goals of C8/C9 -> B8 -> B10 models. One leads to the next, leads to the next.

-- Luc

[S33K100]

Which suggests that you'll be doing a TMP B10 Should look cool. I'd not heard of the B8 till now (not playing SFB and all) what exactly is so scary about it?

[Strafer]

Which suggests that you'll be doing a TMP B10 Should look cool. I'd not heard of the B8 till now (not playing SFB and all) what exactly is so scary about it?

B8 Combined Dread: Leftover boom section of the last, incomplete B10 attached to the rear of a C8.
Nota: due to the differences between components, this ship has no ADD defense systems. The respective ships had them on the "other half".

[FireSoul]

OP+ 3.3 stats for the K-B8:

Designation: K-B8
BPV: 276
Crew: 66
Marines: 26
Shield 1: 44
Shield 2 & 6: 36
Shield 3 & 5: 36
Shield 4: 36
Total Shields: 224

Movement Cost: 2
Turn Mode: E
Total Warp Power: 60
Impulse Power: 11
Aux Power: 4
Total Engine Power: 71
Battery: 9

Transporters: 9
Tractors: 3
Shuttles: 6

8x Disruptor 4
6x Missle Rack B
11x Phaser 1
2x Phaser 2
4x Phaser 3

[zerosnark]

B8 Combined Dread: Leftover boom section of the last, incomplete B10 attached to the rear of a C8.
Nota: due to the differences between components, this ship has no ADD defense systems. The respective ships had them on the "other half".

Now as a concept, that is just SILLY. The idea that you could cobble together capital ship components like that, but not have the flexibility to add an important combat system. . . . . . I mean you just KNOW other adjustments would have been made to the boom and hull. It's not like the B10 and C8 stuff would be DESIGNED to be interchangable.

  I suppose this is just one of those areas where SFB really went off the deep end. Kind of why I never got into the later SFB stuff. You know, how all the races build HDW's that are virtually identical. You know, the fact that any ship design can have flag facilities added AND add weapons AND add power (counterpoint: as WWII progressed, US destroyers had to lose torpedoes to mount more AA guns. The USS South Dakota had 16 vs the 20 5" guns of the other ships in the class because the South Dakota HAD FLAG FACILITES the other ships did not have) 

But this does not detract from the basic coolness of the FireSoul B8 model  And I realize that the goal of OP+ is to include all SFB models, regardless of individual merit. I am very cool with that.

[Desty Nova]

, that is just SILLY. The idea that you could cobble together capital ship components like that, but not have the flexibility to add an important combat system. . . . . . I mean you just KNOW other adjustments would have been made to the boom and hull. It's not like the B10 and C8 stuff would be DESIGNED to be interchangable.

The B8, like so many wacky or scary ships in SFB, is conjectural. Conjectural ships run the gamut from "definitely could have been built had a hull been spared or a shipyard space opened" to "something a bored and overimaginitive engineer thought of one time while stoned". I think the B8 definitely fits more into the latter category. It was just a "what if..." on the part of the Klingons that preliminary studies showed to be impossible. So it's not as bad as you think...
Did you know an upcoming module is goign to have the T10? It's a tug rear hull with a B10 boom attached. Fortunately that module is called "The Ships that Never Were". 

[S33K100]

I never really got the point of these stoner ships, I mean at least the more sensible one like the battleships, or the Lyran double-Tiger, etc. can be used in a non-historical campaign without you looking stupid but batleship-tug!? I mean who's ever gonna use that?

[Desty Nova]

I don't know, throw a battle pod and a space control pod on it and you have one slow but seriously mean warship that is probably alot cheaper to build than the average SCS, or B10S.

[zerosnark]

Hmmm.. . .ok. . .I want to attach a pic of a F5. How the heck do you attach a jpeg?  (sorry for the Newbe question)

As for a B10 on a tug hull. . . .ugh. . . same thinging that said the 1.6 million man Iraqi army was a shoe-in to win the first gulf war.

[Strafer]

Did you know an upcoming module is goign to have the T10? It's a tug rear hull with a B10 boom attached. Fortunately that module is called "The Ships that Never Were". 

You mean something like http://www.geocities.com/raperm2002/K-T10BT.gif?

[Max Power]

I never really got the point of these stoner ships, I mean at least the more sensible one like the battleships, or the Lyran double-Tiger, etc. can be used in a non-historical campaign without you looking stupid but batleship-tug!? I mean who's ever gonna use that?

Someone on SFB online who wants to try something different.

[Merlinfmct87]

I never really got the point of these stoner ships, I mean at least the more sensible one like the battleships, or the Lyran double-Tiger, etc. can be used in a non-historical campaign without you looking stupid but batleship-tug!? I mean who's ever gonna use that?

Someone on SFB online who wants to try something different.

Don't knock variaty...if you don't like a ship, don't play it.

Merlin

[Klingon Fanatic]

I never really got the point of these stoner ships, I mean at least the more sensible one like the battleships, or the Lyran double-Tiger, etc. can be used in a non-historical campaign without you looking stupid but batleship-tug!? I mean who's ever gonna use that?

Someone on SFB online who wants to try something different.

Don't knock variaty...if you don't like a ship, don't play it.

Merlin

Well said.

I'm hoping Atheorhaven can add lighting to the warp engines on Firesoul' s kitbashed Klingon ships, I have a bunch of interesting retextures nearly done.

Qapla!

KF

[Julin Eurthyr]

On why they need the K-B10Tug:

When it absolutely, positively has to be delivered to the troops engulfed by the Feds after they occupy rightful Klingon occupations...

Klingon Express.  Might be slower than FedEx, but they aren't stopped by a measily pirate or occupation force...

[zerosnark]

Is that not the mission statement for an Imperial Stardestroyer?   

[atheorhaven]

Well said.

I'm hoping Atheorhaven can add lighting to the warp engines on Firesoul' s kitbashed Klingon ships, I have a bunch of interesting retextures nearly done.
Qapla!
KF

Well, how's this?  They're quick and dirty, but all three that you pointed me to have lit nacelles now..





It actually takes me longer to set up the lighting and render these shots in Max these days than it does to add the nacelle lighting and generate the nacelle light maps..

Expect email with some presents shortly...

[FireSoul]

Very nicely done..

*thinks*

.. I have these models that could use that..

KD5, KLTT1P, KD5W, KD7, KC7, KDN, KDNL, KB8, KB10
RD5, RD5W, RKR, RKCR, RKDN, RKBB

Each one of these are currently and will be used used in OP+... and none of these have that very nice lighting texture you have produced.  My Problem is that if I start doing it for one, I would have to do it for all...    ..  Additionally, I have 3 LODs on each of these ships, all of which I have created and would need the same application applied...


*sigh* .. well.. I can give it a try. I have seen other potential problems on some models. For example, look above at the first lighting screenshot of the KDNL: the underbelly lighting aren't right: they're not symetric.

Could this lighting be shared with me also?

-- Luc

[zerosnark]

One has to be careful not to overapply the lighting.

While probably strictly correct, I have seen people have bright "lighting effects" emphasized by making the overall hull so dark you can't really make it out. The key is to make sure that the lighting is in the category of "accent".

But when it is done right. . . .