Topic: SFB-style Klingon C5 and C8/C9

[FireSoul]

Someone lately asked me "can you make me a Klingon Dreadnought as sweet as that Fed DN you just released?". .. "..uh.. "

I spent some time thinking about it.. and this is what I came up with:


Klingon C8/C9 Dreadnought:  http://klingon.stasis.ca/models/klingon/fs_kdn.zip







This model is based on the C5 and D7 models made by Atrahasis and Moonraker. You'll notice that I've placed the center warp on the boom section as per SFB.



ALSO!


Since I placed the center warp on the boom for the above model, I just had to tweak the C5 we currently have to do the same:

C5 Light Dreadnought tweak: http://klingon.stasis.ca/models/klingon/fs_kdnl.zip





Enjoy, Warriors!
-- Luc
PS. Now I just have to find some Romulan textures to have the Kestrel version of the DN..

[Klingon Fanatic]

Nicely done Firesoul! D/l now....

Qapla!

KF

P. S. why not use Atrahasis' V-11 Stormbird textures or the ones on the Stormking at SFC3 Files?

[FireSoul]

Romulan K9R Kestrel Dreadnought:  http://klingon.stasis.ca/models/romulan/fs_rkdn.zip





The textures applied are those found with Atra's KCR. They work quite nicely. I had to touch-up the .mod a bit for the mountpoints and to make some textures fit, but otherwise it was a piece of cake.

-- Luc

[FireSoul]

P. S. why not use Atrahasis' V-11 Stormbird textures or the ones on the Stormking at SFC3 Files?

I think what I found works quite nicely.

[Klingon Fanatic]

  I must have posted just as you did. LOL

The placement of the warp engines makes sense.

KF

[FireSoul]

I must have posted just as you did. LOL

The placement of the warp engines makes sense.

KF

Most Klingon ships with a boom is capable of separating the rear hull and the boom in a case of emergency (usually mutinies caused by fallow/slave races). The officers can detach and sometimes escape from a dangerous situation to fight another day.

In the case of the C8/C9, the boom has the 3rd warp engine and can actually go up to speed 30 if all boxes are intact (movement cost 1/2, 15 warps). It's like having a little destroyer.

Romulan Kestrel ships do not have this ship separation ability. All warps were changed to AWRs and all impulse engines to APR.

-- Luc

[Klingon Fanatic]

Hey Firesoul,

Following the success of the K'teremny and VoDleH warship programs...

Look at what I did using WZ45's VoDleH textures:



Now the question of the day is.. Are you willing to add some additional lighting to the warp engines so these new textures can light up? Please.  I'd only need the lit *.mod file not the whole shebang and I'd get these hosted when ready.

The C-7 is a WIP and the kdn is done.

I'm kind of going for a uniform "black fleet" , LOL...

KF


P. S. if you can light up stuff how about taking a crack at Atrahasis' Regula One? I can send her to you if you don't have her, she doesn't fall apart as a model if you go out beyond range 20 like Moonraker's version does.

[FireSoul]

I see that the warp texture does not have an equivalent illumination texture to accompany it. If you have such an illumination texture, I can apply it.

However, please note that I am just trying to have better models for OP+. I've already moved on to other corrections and tasks that need to be done.

-- Luc

[Klingon Fanatic]

I see that the warp texture does not have an equivalent illumination texture to accompany it. If you have such an illumination texture, I can apply it.

However, please note that I am just trying to have better models for OP+. I've already moved on to other corrections and tasks that need to be done.

-- Luc

I understand Firesoul.

I know you are busy.

The file with the new textures will be about 2MB when all is said and done. Mind if anybody else lights up your kitbash?

KF

[FireSoul]

I don't mind one bit. Just put me in the credits as usual.

[ModelsPlease]

Nicely done Firesoul sir,welcome additions to my ever growing fleet.Thank you.
 
-MP

[Wolfsglen]

Kickass, I cant find anything to criticize  Thank you muchly.

[zerosnark]

Very, very cool.   

[Fluf]

Good work FS!

Know if you can just find a Klink that would fly a C5 or C9 in a dyna you will be all set! 

[FVA_C_ Blade_ XC]

Nice work FS!

[Magnum357]

I never could understand why SFB rules never allowed their Romulan conterparts too have seperation ability.  Was it ever explained anywhere in SFB rules why the Romulan Kestral ships didn't have the ability?

Oh, and nice work Firesoul.   

[Max Power]

Sounds like something for the "ask Why?" thread on ADB's boards.

[Captain Pierce]

Well, I don't know from SFB, but the separation thing doesn't really fit that TOS Romulan ethos of blowing up your ship rather than be captured... 

[Crusader]

Firesoul,

Are you adding these latest models into the latest OP+ 3.3 or will they be included in a future release?  Just wondering if I should download these models separately or just wait for the next OP+ release.

Great work.

[FireSoul]

Firesoul,

Are you adding these latest models into the latest OP+ 3.3 or will they be included in a future release?  Just wondering if I should download these models separately or just wait for the next OP+ release.

Great work.

I intend to do this for a future release. However, nothing stops you from integrating them in your current install of OP+ 3.3 and replace the models yourself.

[FireSoul]

*TEASER*

B8, anyone? 

[zerosnark]

B8: Evil, Evil, Evil. 
The B8 is a ship that I do not have much experience with, given that I have not bought the more recent SFB stuff. An interesting (if scary) ship based upon the specs.

I would take a moment to say that I really like your recent work on models. 

Refreshing to see new Klingon models => I just installed the other models this morning.

If you are bored, I have always "been in the market" for a good F5. I do admit that I always thought the original SFB F5 to be too "toy like" (the Fed FF has the same problem).

[FireSoul]

The F5?.. *thinks* .. I'm not sure I would know what it should look like. Perhaps it's best that I leave it alone for now and concentrate on what I need to finish first.

The B8 is the logical progression towards my short-term goals of C8/C9 -> B8 -> B10 models. One leads to the next, leads to the next.

-- Luc

[S33K100]

Which suggests that you'll be doing a TMP B10 Should look cool. I'd not heard of the B8 till now (not playing SFB and all) what exactly is so scary about it?

[Strafer]

Which suggests that you'll be doing a TMP B10 Should look cool. I'd not heard of the B8 till now (not playing SFB and all) what exactly is so scary about it?

B8 Combined Dread: Leftover boom section of the last, incomplete B10 attached to the rear of a C8.
Nota: due to the differences between components, this ship has no ADD defense systems. The respective ships had them on the "other half".

[FireSoul]

OP+ 3.3 stats for the K-B8:

Designation: K-B8
BPV: 276
Crew: 66
Marines: 26
Shield 1: 44
Shield 2 & 6: 36
Shield 3 & 5: 36
Shield 4: 36
Total Shields: 224

Movement Cost: 2
Turn Mode: E
Total Warp Power: 60
Impulse Power: 11
Aux Power: 4
Total Engine Power: 71
Battery: 9

Transporters: 9
Tractors: 3
Shuttles: 6

8x Disruptor 4
6x Missle Rack B
11x Phaser 1
2x Phaser 2
4x Phaser 3

[zerosnark]

B8 Combined Dread: Leftover boom section of the last, incomplete B10 attached to the rear of a C8.
Nota: due to the differences between components, this ship has no ADD defense systems. The respective ships had them on the "other half".

Now as a concept, that is just SILLY. The idea that you could cobble together capital ship components like that, but not have the flexibility to add an important combat system. . . . . . I mean you just KNOW other adjustments would have been made to the boom and hull. It's not like the B10 and C8 stuff would be DESIGNED to be interchangable.

  I suppose this is just one of those areas where SFB really went off the deep end. Kind of why I never got into the later SFB stuff. You know, how all the races build HDW's that are virtually identical. You know, the fact that any ship design can have flag facilities added AND add weapons AND add power (counterpoint: as WWII progressed, US destroyers had to lose torpedoes to mount more AA guns. The USS South Dakota had 16 vs the 20 5" guns of the other ships in the class because the South Dakota HAD FLAG FACILITES the other ships did not have) 

But this does not detract from the basic coolness of the FireSoul B8 model  And I realize that the goal of OP+ is to include all SFB models, regardless of individual merit. I am very cool with that.

[Desty Nova]

, that is just SILLY. The idea that you could cobble together capital ship components like that, but not have the flexibility to add an important combat system. . . . . . I mean you just KNOW other adjustments would have been made to the boom and hull. It's not like the B10 and C8 stuff would be DESIGNED to be interchangable.

The B8, like so many wacky or scary ships in SFB, is conjectural. Conjectural ships run the gamut from "definitely could have been built had a hull been spared or a shipyard space opened" to "something a bored and overimaginitive engineer thought of one time while stoned". I think the B8 definitely fits more into the latter category. It was just a "what if..." on the part of the Klingons that preliminary studies showed to be impossible. So it's not as bad as you think...
Did you know an upcoming module is goign to have the T10? It's a tug rear hull with a B10 boom attached. Fortunately that module is called "The Ships that Never Were". 

[S33K100]

I never really got the point of these stoner ships, I mean at least the more sensible one like the battleships, or the Lyran double-Tiger, etc. can be used in a non-historical campaign without you looking stupid but batleship-tug!? I mean who's ever gonna use that?

[Desty Nova]

I don't know, throw a battle pod and a space control pod on it and you have one slow but seriously mean warship that is probably alot cheaper to build than the average SCS, or B10S.

[zerosnark]

Hmmm.. . .ok. . .I want to attach a pic of a F5. How the heck do you attach a jpeg?  (sorry for the Newbe question)

As for a B10 on a tug hull. . . .ugh. . . same thinging that said the 1.6 million man Iraqi army was a shoe-in to win the first gulf war.

[Strafer]

Did you know an upcoming module is goign to have the T10? It's a tug rear hull with a B10 boom attached. Fortunately that module is called "The Ships that Never Were". 

You mean something like http://www.geocities.com/raperm2002/K-T10BT.gif?

[Max Power]

I never really got the point of these stoner ships, I mean at least the more sensible one like the battleships, or the Lyran double-Tiger, etc. can be used in a non-historical campaign without you looking stupid but batleship-tug!? I mean who's ever gonna use that?

Someone on SFB online who wants to try something different.

[Merlinfmct87]

I never really got the point of these stoner ships, I mean at least the more sensible one like the battleships, or the Lyran double-Tiger, etc. can be used in a non-historical campaign without you looking stupid but batleship-tug!? I mean who's ever gonna use that?

Someone on SFB online who wants to try something different.

Don't knock variaty...if you don't like a ship, don't play it.

Merlin

[Klingon Fanatic]

I never really got the point of these stoner ships, I mean at least the more sensible one like the battleships, or the Lyran double-Tiger, etc. can be used in a non-historical campaign without you looking stupid but batleship-tug!? I mean who's ever gonna use that?

Someone on SFB online who wants to try something different.

Don't knock variaty...if you don't like a ship, don't play it.

Merlin

Well said.

I'm hoping Atheorhaven can add lighting to the warp engines on Firesoul' s kitbashed Klingon ships, I have a bunch of interesting retextures nearly done.

Qapla!

KF

[Julin Eurthyr]

On why they need the K-B10Tug:

When it absolutely, positively has to be delivered to the troops engulfed by the Feds after they occupy rightful Klingon occupations...

Klingon Express.  Might be slower than FedEx, but they aren't stopped by a measily pirate or occupation force...

[zerosnark]

Is that not the mission statement for an Imperial Stardestroyer?   

[atheorhaven]

Well said.

I'm hoping Atheorhaven can add lighting to the warp engines on Firesoul' s kitbashed Klingon ships, I have a bunch of interesting retextures nearly done.
Qapla!
KF

Well, how's this?  They're quick and dirty, but all three that you pointed me to have lit nacelles now..





It actually takes me longer to set up the lighting and render these shots in Max these days than it does to add the nacelle lighting and generate the nacelle light maps..

Expect email with some presents shortly...

[FireSoul]

Very nicely done..

*thinks*

.. I have these models that could use that..

KD5, KLTT1P, KD5W, KD7, KC7, KDN, KDNL, KB8, KB10
RD5, RD5W, RKR, RKCR, RKDN, RKBB

Each one of these are currently and will be used used in OP+... and none of these have that very nice lighting texture you have produced.  My Problem is that if I start doing it for one, I would have to do it for all...    ..  Additionally, I have 3 LODs on each of these ships, all of which I have created and would need the same application applied...


*sigh* .. well.. I can give it a try. I have seen other potential problems on some models. For example, look above at the first lighting screenshot of the KDNL: the underbelly lighting aren't right: they're not symetric.

Could this lighting be shared with me also?

-- Luc

[zerosnark]

One has to be careful not to overapply the lighting.

While probably strictly correct, I have seen people have bright "lighting effects" emphasized by making the overall hull so dark you can't really make it out. The key is to make sure that the lighting is in the category of "accent".

But when it is done right. . . .

[atheorhaven]

Very nicely done..
*thinks*
.. I have these models that could use that..

KD5, KLTT1P, KD5W, KD7, KC7, KDN, KDNL, KB8, KB10
RD5, RD5W, RKR, RKCR, RKDN, RKBB

Each one of these are currently and will be used used in OP+... and none of these have that very nice lighting texture you have produced.  My Problem is that if I start doing it for one, I would have to do it for all...    ..  Additionally, I have 3 LODs on each of these ships, all of which I have created and would need the same application applied...
*sigh* .. well.. I can give it a try. I have seen other potential problems on some models. For example, look above at the first lighting screenshot of the KDNL: the underbelly lighting aren't right: they're not symetric.
Could this lighting be shared with me also?
-- Luc

No, I'm going to be a stingy sod and keep them to myself.  Of course I'll let you have them,geez.  

Again, these are rough textures, and I only made them up so that I'd have something to map to the nacelles when I lit these for KF.  But you're welcome to use these, or to use the ones that KF'll probably have done.  

And the quickest way to fix the asymmetry in your lighting texture would be to find the midpoint of the texture, go to the bottom or top of the texture and select the side that you like best.  Then copy that side and mirror it.  You'll have two symmetrical sides...

One thing of course, back up the original texture first, you may not like the final result and want to retry something different.  

[FireSoul]

And the quickest way to fix the asymmetry in your lighting texture would be to find the midpoint of the texture, go to the bottom or top of the texture and select the side that you like best.  Then copy that side and mirror it.  You'll have two symmetrical sides...

One thing of course, back up the original texture first, you may not like the final result and want to retry something different. 

The wings have different textures on each side.

Yes, please send that texture of the warps to me?

[atheorhaven]

The wings have different textures on each side.
Yes, please send that texture of the warps to me?

Just sending them out to KF now before I'm out for the evening.. PM me an email addy here that can handle a 600kb infusion of Klingon and Romulan ships and I'll mirror those over to you. 

[FireSoul]

Just examine my profile.

[Max Power]

I know these are quick kitbashes, but has anyone considered doing them in this style from the start? Specifically, the boom and wing sections are not just larger ones from the D7; they're heavier, and the bridge section looks slightly different.

[Klingon Fanatic]

Still haven't recieved the lit mod files...

[FireSoul]

I have just updated my .ZIP files of released klingon and kestrel ships that use these textures to have a blank black illumination texture layer. It should work if you replace it with what you need, if you're trying to replace the texture sets.

-- Luc

[atheorhaven]

Still haven't recieved the lit mod files...

Sent them to your Hotmail acct this afternoon.. they're still not there yet?

I'll delve into my email proggie here on this machine to find one of your non-Hotmail msgs, forward it to my Hotmail acct, and then resend them from the other machine where they are..

[edit] Or, maybe I won't.. I went all the way through to early last year, and the only address I have for you is Hotmail.  :p

I'll put them up where you can grab them, then send you a link in email if they haven't shown in Hotmail..

[Klingon Fanatic]

Well done Atheorhaven! I have recieved the lit versions and I have a few more texture tweaks before I can get these retextures out the door. Now if I can get the rest of Firsoul's Klinks lit as well we're going to have a hell of a Black Fleet...

KF

[Bernard Guignard]

*TEASER*

B8, anyone? 

Hi Luc
 would it be possible to post a picture showing b10 b8 C8/9 and Ktinga next to each other to Illustrate the differences in size? 
sorry lets not forget the C5 also 

 

[Strafer]

would it be possible to post a picture showing b10 b8 C8/9 and Ktinga next to each other to Illustrate the differences in size? 
sorry lets not forget the C5 also 

Using the modelviewer at a constant distance of 35.7. OP's model.siz file can skewer this.

[FireSoul]

I would expect the D7 model to be larger compared to the others. I guess it's this way because I started with the C5 which is like this. *shrug*

[KBF-Dogmatix_XC]

The F5?.. *thinks* .. I'm not sure I would know what it should look like. Perhaps it's best that I leave it alone for now and concentrate on what I need to finish first.

The B8 is the logical progression towards my short-term goals of C8/C9 -> B8 -> B10 models. One leads to the next, leads to the next.

-- Luc

Can't wait for the 2nd and 3rd installments in this master plan...heheh.   

[FireSoul]

The F5?.. *thinks* .. I'm not sure I would know what it should look like. Perhaps it's best that I leave it alone for now and concentrate on what I need to finish first.

The B8 is the logical progression towards my short-term goals of C8/C9 -> B8 -> B10 models. One leads to the next, leads to the next.

-- Luc

I really don't know what to do about the F5... .. so I'm leaving it alone for now. I hope someone else can come forward with a submission, since I'm fresh out of Klingon juice.

Can't wait for the 2nd and 3rd installments in this master plan...heheh.   

[S33K100]

I seem to recall jrstandfast (aka Gow) did an alteration and retexture of the Qud from KA which was the kdd in SFC, adding warp engines to the wings and larger impulse engines, turret mounted disruptors like on the K'T'inga and a Vorcha style bridge section at the join between the 'head' and neck. Looks good and is much more akin to an SFB design than the original Qud. I think it can still be found on SFU and I currently use it for my F5

[Bernard Guignard]

I would expect the D7 model to be larger compared to the others. I guess it's this way because I started with the C5 which is like this. *shrug*

Hi Luc
   I concur while I expected the Dreadnoughts to be larger  I didn't expect them to be as large as shown. The op scaling file will perhaps bring them to a better size. I'd scale down the Dreads and the BBS say by 25 to 30 percent. This should bring them in better line to the Ktinga. Still you've done some great work here Keep it up
and thanks for sharing 

 

Take care

[FireSoul]

I guess my reply about the F5 didn't survive..

.. oh well.

[Bernard Guignard]

I guess my reply about the F5 didn't survive..

.. oh well.

Hi Luc
How about re-texturing the existing fleet dock 13  F5 or Destynova's F5 to a tmp style perhaps remove the sensor dish and replace it with a torp tube ala ktinga. 
Another option is Terradyhne's Ktorr class destroyer this ship is small and might be the same size as an F5
 total crew complement of 120 
over all length 125.8 meters
width of 56 meters
draft of 21.3 meters.

Or take the existing SFB F5 and raise the warp engine and sweep back the secondary hull to give it a sleeker profile
right now it looks like a flying A frame. Perhaps scale down the ktinga class secondary Hull and add it to an f5 re-textured boom.

Well theres some ideas for you I hope that I've helped a bit


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