Topic: So is Taldren going too release the Source Codes too SFC?

[RazalYllib]

From what I have gathered, only the game exe is bound to the sprites.

That being said, at a minimum, Taldren should have 100% of source code rights to the server kit source, or am I reading to much into the discussion?

[Demandred]

Personally, I don't see why they used the q3 format in the first place. It's just a file of images!

Getting the source would be good but I wouldn't expect anything much for at least a year while the devlopers learn the codebase from top to bottom in their spare time. I'd have a look at it myself but I'm not much for C++ UI - backend daemons in C is the closest my experience comes to it.

The server kit code would be excellent to get a hold of - I don't know why the SQL kit is so flakey but my gut feeling is that they bolted database queries on in place of file I/O. Not to mention, we could port it to a better server OS.

[Bonk]

  What he said. (again)

(but there are a few other object types in the q3 file i think...)

[Age]

  I have discovered from a reliable source that if the code is released .That Taldren will no longer be making anymore SFC games as the programmers and modders in here can make it them selves.This why I am kinda opposed to this .The big question is if the programmers and modders in here do this and Viacom find out you could have liable suit of infringement on copyright.This is if you do it for yourself but once you release it for DL to the public they can get you.It doesn't matter where you live as you will be seeing their Attorneys in your home town.The only legal things you can do is make changes to the current games.I wouldn't mind fixing and re suppling my ship at an Allied starbase or planet.

[KBF-Crim]

  I have discovered from a reliable source that if the code is released .That Taldren will no longer be making anymore SFC games as the programmers and modders in here can make it them selves.

Age...Taldren CANT make anymore SFC games.....they dont have license to....

This why I am kinda opposed to this .

You shouldnt be...

The big question is if the programmers and modders in here do this and Viacom find out you could have liable suit of infringement on copyright.

Huh?...I seriously doubt it...Harry lang is pretty familiar with the mods that have been released to date...

This is if you do it for yourself but once you release it for DL to the public they can get you.

No age...if you SELL it they can get you...because you are generating income from their intellectual property...

It doesn't matter where you live as you will be seeing their Attorneys in your home town.

See above...

The only legal things you can do is make changes to the current games.

And thats what we're the plan is....to CONTINUE modding the game.....that's all...if someone tries to go out and sell a game to a publisher based on Paramount and Taldren property...they SHOULD get sued...

I wouldn't mind fixing and re suppling my ship at an Allied starbase or planet.

That may or may not be possible....That SFC3 function MIGHT be able to be backward engineered into OP....

*shrug*.....lets worry bout getting the stuff first eh....then we'll worry bout what to do with it...

[Demandred]

  I have discovered from a reliable source that if the code is released .That Taldren will no longer be making anymore SFC games as the programmers and modders in here can make it them selves.This why I am kinda opposed to this .The big question is if the programmers and modders in here do this and Viacom find out you could have liable suit of infringement on copyright.This is if you do it for yourself but once you release it for DL to the public they can get you.It doesn't matter where you live as you will be seeing their Attorneys in your home town.The only legal things you can do is make changes to the current games.I wouldn't mind fixing and re suppling my ship at an Allied starbase or planet.

They won't sue fans that are doing it purely on a non-profit basis. It's extremely bad publicity.

[Magnum357]

I agree.  We are doing this to help "enhance" the game, not make a whole new game and sell it.  Its purely non-profit.  Maybe Age is worried that we are going too make a whole new Star Trek game and distribute it for free and let people DL it like Music. 

all I would like too have is an SFC:GAW (with hopefuly a functional Andor and Tholian races) and a SFC3 with Cardassians and more features like editable weapons and make your own components for ships.  Now that would be a moders dream for SFC3.

[Whoo]

Key word should be "mod"
anything else might attract the interest of paramount...
perish the though!

[Age]

  Yeah (yawn) excuse me while I am little tired.You could say that we paid for ours why should other get it for free.I not a programmer or a complete modder I do know how do a customized shiplist though.I just afraid of what you programmers would do it like being an Engineer you always like to change things things that others might not like.This typical of Engineers I know some of them.The only thing that I would want to see on OP is a real cloak and if possible reversing engines.

   I guess what you are talking about is GAW OPs Expansion Game am I right in assuming this.What I did say though once the source code is released and I have this by a reliable source is that Taldren can no longer make any SFC game because you guys can do it for your selves.If Taldren is going to or has any plans to make another SFC game they will use the same source code that you all have.This what I meant and I have this from a reliable source. (yawn)

[Rod ONeal]

I sure hope that nobody changes OP's cloak. It was a ton of work for Dave to get it right and I don't want to see it messed up again.

Andros and Tholians, etc... eventually, of course. 

For starters, get SQL to be stable with large player numbers and expand the scripting capabilities. Some missing/incomplete game functions such as expanded EW functions (special sensors were obviously intended), plasma bolts, more drone types (I agree that the Kzinti/Mirak would be a whole lot more interesting then. All of the drone races, of course, would benefit.), direct fire hellbores, and divide up the volleys more like they are intended to be for better Mizia effect, There are many more weapons, besides the PPD which are supposed to count as seperate volleys. Since they have it in there for the PPD it should be able to be added to other weapons too. It would be real nice to fix the G and D racks as well. Although I have a feeling that might be tougher than a lot of us imagine.
There's plenty along these lines to work on and none of it is Trek (read copyrighted by Paramount).

[KBF-Crim]

 Yeah (yawn) excuse me while I am little tired.

Get some rest eh...

You could say that we paid for ours why should other get it for free.

Get WHAT for free?...A Patch?...did YOU pay for your patch?....did ANYONE!?!

What were talking about is a PATCH age...NOT a new game...

I not a programmer or a complete modder I do know how do a customized shiplist though.I just afraid of what you programmers would do it like being an Engineer you always like to change things things that others might not like.This typical of Engineers I know some of them.The only thing that I would want to see on OP is a real cloak and if possible reversing engines.

Well... I dont want reverse in the game...we allready have a problem...

 

  I guess what you are talking about is GAW OPs Expansion Game am I right in assuming this.

No age...what we're talking about is another PATCH....nothing more....nothing less...

Bugs first...features next...balance last....

What I did say though once the source code is released and I have this by a reliable source is that Taldren can no longer make any SFC game because you guys can do it for your selves.

  OMG.....

DUDE!.....THEY CANT DO ANYMORE SFC GAME RIGHT NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

They are not licensed to do ANY Startrek stuff...AT ALL...

There were ceratain rights to do expanasions and add-ons until 2005.....but IIRC interplay sold all rights to ATVI...who recieved the rights to expansions and add-ons to EAW,,,I dont know...

OP is an EXPANSION for EAW...

If Taldren is going to or has any plans to make another SFC game they will use the same source code that you all have.

Grrr...are you reading these posts?

The game engine contains elements licensed from ADB, and paramount....IF...taldren were to do another game based on the SFC engine...the engine would have to be changed so much as to not even be the same...it would be a better use of time to simply write a new one anyways..

This what I meant and I have this from a reliable source. (yawn)

PM me who this source is.....I'll tell you how reliable it is...until then...it's simply hearsay...

[Javora]

You could say that we paid for ours why should other get it for free.

Get WHAT for free?...A Patch?...did YOU pay for your patch?....did ANYONE!?!

What were talking about is a PATCH age...NOT a new game...

I don?t think that is what Age is talking about.  If I understand Age?s question correctly he concerned that someone could remove the CD key code from SFC.  Then SFC could be released to the Internet.  So if and when the source code is released.  Other people who didn?t pay for SFC could download and play the game without spending a dime for it.  I have to admit that I have been concerned about this as well ever since the topic of releasing the SFC code came up.  But then I haven?t seen a SFC game on the store shelves in ages.  If the game is no longer being produced for resale and no one is making money or intends to make money off SFC does it really matter?  I?m torn on this, I want the community to grow, but at the same time I don?t want SFC to become a warez?s dream come true.  I?m sure this is one of the companies sticking points about weather or not they want to release the source code.  Maybe it doesn?t matter if the CD key code is removed I think that we need more discussion on this point.

  cut?
 The only thing that I would want to see on OP is a real cloak and if possible reversing engines.

Well... I dont want reverse in the game...we allready have a problem...

I don?t know if the source code is released for SFC III and the code for reverse can be ported over to SFC  II/OP I wouldn?t mind seeing reverse myself.


 

  I guess what you are talking about is GAW OPs Expansion Game am I right in assuming this.

No age...what we're talking about is another PATCH....nothing more....nothing less...

Bugs first...features next...balance last....

Are we??!?  That is the problem I see if and when the source code is released.  Someone who has the ability could try to make a GAW.  SFC could be changed in ways that no one could control.  We could soon see versions SFC made that would not work with other versions of SFC.  But then a simple patch would do the same thing.  Then again if someone has the ability and the time to make GAW, why should that person or people be held back?  Is there going to be some sort of reviewing body and if so who will put in charge of this?  What if someone adds a ?feature(s)? that no one likes or worse hates?  Who will make the decision to have that feature canceled or removed?  IMHO if the source code is released it should be released for everyone.  Any changes made will have to be approved by a person of group of people similar to Linux.  But then wait a minute, what about the CD code??!?  We really need more discussion about this.

PM me who this source is.....I'll tell you how reliable it is...until then...it's simply hearsay...

This type of hearsay needs to be brought under control, maybe we need a facts page locked stuck on the top of this forum.  This way no one can post and confuse the facts and facts can be added as more information is made known to us.

I hope I am making sense here, I think Age isn?t the only person that needs sleep.    If I am making any sense here could someone start a topic on this?  Nite all.

[0mega1]

hell, as everyone has been saying y dont we all bribe 1 guy into giving the source code, it doesnt have to be veryone, just a single person, thet will keep everything quiet, id be willing to pay 200 bucks for a copy of the source code, just think   200*200=? u do the math im 2 lazy lol, actually its 40K, now who would refuse such a generous offer for a freaking copy of source code to a goddam game?!?!?!?

[Bonk]

hell, as everyone has been saying y dont we all bribe 1 guy into giving the source code, it doesnt have to be veryone, just a single person, thet will keep everything quiet, id be willing to pay 200 bucks for a copy of the source code, just think   200*200=? u do the math im 2 lazy lol, actually its 40K, now who would refuse such a generous offer for a freaking copy of source code to a goddam game?!?!?!?

I think more than $200 would be appropriate... more like $200,000 - at least enough to have some left over after the lawsuit...

Personally, judging by past communications fom Taldren I'd say at this point we will not see the source unless leaked or stolen... so start your decompilers gentlemen!

[Whoo]

Drone speeds per rack not load out...
All I gotta say