Topic: HET

[nx_adam_1701]

lol

[Merlinfmct87]

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You want andro's?

Download the new TNG mod. or SFBOP by Bonk(where I got a lot of the specs for andro's in the TNG mod. I've updated them to reflect the lack of PA panels).

Or you can wait for Galaxies at War(the mod) to come out, which is looking VERY cool. I've made sevearal desperate posts on that thread...    

GaWtm is still being worked on. I'm very sorry that it's taking as long as it is. There has been a lot of logistics changes and it's delayed it. Hopefully though it'll be a lot better for all of it in the end.
The specs for the added races are definately better than they would have been if it was released earlier. Coming up with entirely new races from scratch is very difficult. There's always going to be a lot of changes. I'm slowly getting it refined though.

For example:
I changed one system on the Tholians. That means that system has to be changed for all of the ships that were effected. Luckily it is a late era only system and only affects about 1/2 of their ships. That's still a lot of ships though.
Seltorians only appear in our galaxy historically in the late era (after 2280). If you are going to be able to play them in a campaign though they will have to be available from the start. That means creating early and mid era designs from their late era ships for them. I had to adjust their overall power curve a bit as well for SFC.
The WYN are in a similar situation. All of their ships before the late era are pretty poor. They only fought in their own home space before that in SFB. In order to attack the WYN you first had to penetrate a powerfull radiation zone. This left your ships suffering from "radiation crippling" and the WYN's rag-tag fleet could deal with the invaders. SFC will offer them no such protection. They to will need early and mid era ships that are competitive with the other races. So, I'll be reverse engineering their late era ships (which are very competent) to create the earlier versions. Not rocket science, by any means, but a lot of work.  

My biggest concern from the start was that a lot of people would be dissapointed because of the lack of the extragalactics (Andros, Tholians, Seltorians) proper systems. Karnak was working on adding some features through the scripts and some of the games regular features have been manipulated to make things work differently. Because of the need to playtest his scripts on a live server he has mostly concentrated on working his scripts for the D2 campaigns that are going on, delaying the actual work on the special features (but improving the overall scripts a lot). Hopefully everything will work out there and he won't be too burned out to continue what he started for GaWtm. Worse case scenario though the mod will come out without the added features. The extragalactic races should still be different tactically and enjoyable to play as they are. They might even remind you of the real thing a little.

Thanks for your continued interest in the project. It's a crapload of work, but overall it's been enjoyable.

PS. Sorry to spam your post Adam.    

*does a happy happy joy joy dance*

Nice work Rod...It sounds great. I can't wait to play it, and I know that you will put a lot of work into it

Take Care, Be Well, and Stay Strong!

Merlin  

[nx_adam_1701]

Yes Yes Yes, someone probably posted this before long time ago, but hey I forgot, it wasnt important back then, now it is, well to me that is, I need to know how this thing works, and no it is not for SFC3, it is for SFC2OP!!,

and after that can you please tell me what should these types of ships have for HET +2 Turns & Nimble and HET Breakdown

FF-
DD-
CL-
CA-
BC-
CV-
DN-
BB-

DX-
CX-

Thanks guys, all the help you could give me will be much appreciated, thanks again

adam out

[DonKarnage]

i think you can find that in the sfc1 book
something like that for the turn mode

FF-AA
DD-A
CL-C
CA-D
BC-E
DN-F
BB-G
SB, BS -H

for the het+2/nimble i don't knoe, but look in the read me of shipedit and for the het breakdown well its up to you.

[nx_adam_1701]

Thanks for the info DonK, but I know about turn rates, im asking about the High Energy Turn modes, I have no clue what to give a Frigate or a Battleship, All i know is that battleships should be the least ones to have the ability to do a high energy turn, but as i said I dont know the numbers very well, there has to be an equation like the rest of the stuff in the game, everythings an equation,. but the book doesnt tell you that, all they describe is the meaning of HET, thats pretty much it, but thanks again Don K I appreciate your help


adam out

[J. Carney]

HET allows you to turn any number of hex facings [read 'any number of degrees' for SFC] without successfully fulfilling your turn mode [read 'really fast, like "hang on" kind of fast]. It costs 5 points of warp energy to preform (reguardless of ship class) and risks a breakdown if your ship does it too often.

Normally, the smaller ships, like FF's and PF's will have the +2 HET bonus (meaning they can do 2 HET's without risking a breakdown). Some races have larger ships that can do this (all the pirate ships are nimble IIRC), and X-ships get an extra HET bonus.

Hope that is helpful- I can get therulebook out and elaborate if necessary.

[nx_adam_1701]

I kinda get it, only thing I need is numbers, or so for the HET +2 Turns & Nimble section I either put down 1 or 2, meaning, the FF and smaller vessel will more likely be able to do 2 turns without any breakdown occuring while other larger vessel, get 1 because the have more risk of breakdown, but what numbers do I put in this slot "HET Breakdown" ??????


adam out

[J. Carney]

OK... the box that says 'HET Breakdown" would be the roll that you had to make to AVOID a breakdown when you ran out of bonuses.

For instance, the Fed CA has a Breakdown Rating of 5-6, and 1 HET Bonus. On the first HET of a game, the FCA does not have to roll for a breakdown, but instead checks off it's HET Bonus. On the second HET, the FCA will have to roll 1D6 to check for a breakdown- a catostrophic system failure due to the stress coused by the HET. If you roll a 1-4, the ship succeeds; if you roll a 5-6, the ship suffers all kindsa nasty penaltys- not the least of which is loss of all forward movement.

Approprate ways to determine the Breakdown Rating are: Hull Size (smaller=better); Ship Design (more compactly built ships like the WE fare better)... ect.

THat getting a little more on target?

[Corbomite]

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 It costs 5 points of warp energy to preform (reguardless of ship class)...

Incorrect. It takes an amount of warp power equal to the cost it takes the ship to move speed 6.

[J. Carney]

Sorry, my mistake...  

I guess I've been looking at too many Tourny Cruisers here lately.

[nx_adam_1701]

I think I get it, but I guess its based on SFB, where you had to roll a dice and stuff, lol, but how does it work in SFC


adam out

[Merlinfmct87]

Alrighty, let the rule freak speak.

HET's were already explained very well by my good friend J. Carney above, so I'll explain how the success/failure is handled.

On every ship's SSD in SFB or Shiplist entry in SFC there is what is called a "breakdown rating" This is basically how well the ship and it's engines take to being HET'ed. The way to determine success or failure is to roll a six sided die and see which one is larger.

Now most ships in the standard SFB era have a breakdown of 5, so it would take a roll of six to break down. However, since most--if not all--ships also have a one-time(if standard) or two-time(if nimble or X ship, three time if both) +2 bonus...thus requiring a roll of 7, which is impossible to achieve on a d6 unless you have other modifiers to reduce the chance. I can't think of any right now, but they are bound to happen.

So that's why your first HET is usuially 100%...then it takes a steep drop and slowly builds up(this represents the hull recovering from the strain and the engines cooling off).

Hope this helps,

Merlin  

[Corbomite]

You get an HET percentage rating that you can see in the Helm MFD panel. Where as in SFB you get one free HET bonus, in SFC the percentage goes down when you perform an HET and slowly rebuilds itself (except for the K-F6 which starts at 100% and goes down to 83% after the first HET and there may be others, but I don't know).  A ship with a 100% HET rating (normally) will go up to 116% with a +1 HET bonus and up to 150% with a +2 HET bonus. These are not one time bonuses in SFC (normally) as the percentage rebuilds itself up after time. The F-NCL+, for example,  which has a 66% chance in SFB gets it's +1 bonus in SFC for keeps which raises it up to 83%.

[Age]

  That is what he is looking for Corbomite.I hope you back up your shiplist to Adam if tyou are making a mod.  

[Rod O'neal]

There is no precise corolation of size-class and the ability to HET from race to race, only within a race. Feds don't have particularly good HET specs. The reason given is because of the complex designs. They have everything stuck on seperate booms, struts, etc. The Romulan DN can safely pull off an HET. It's the only Galactic DN that can. All of the Andromedan ships have fantastic HET numbers. Except for the BB they only have a 1/6 chance of breakdown, even without the benefit of their HET bonus because they are simple saucers and there wouldn't be as much stress on their hulls. Generally though, smaller simpler designs are better able to HET. Pirates get a double HET bonus as well as nimble ships. Usually really compact ships get the "nimble" bonus. PFs, for example, get it.  

[Age]

  I don't have Andromedan ships just OP+3.3?Where are they and how do I get them are they Karnaks shiplist.  

[nx_adam_1701]

Always do, thx guys

adam out

[Merlinfmct87]

You want andro's?

Download the new TNG mod. or SFBOP by Bonk(where I got a lot of the specs for andro's in the TNG mod. I've updated them to reflect the lack of PA panels).

Or you can wait for Galaxies at War(the mod) to come out, which is looking VERY cool. I've made sevearal desperate posts on that thread...  

[Age]

  What game file would this go to SFC2OP or SFC3 .I hope it is three although I haerd that the Pelican has some cool mod for that game aswell in DomWars have any of you tried that.How is GAW played online or can it be played in single as well if so I think Adam might like this?
 I am sorry to Adam


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[762]

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 It costs 5 points of warp energy to preform (reguardless of ship class)...

Incorrect. It takes an amount of warp power equal to the cost it takes the ship to move speed 6.  

How long have you been playing this game?

(payback-BWAHAHAHA)

The correct answer is:

It takes an amount of warp power equal to the cost it takes the ship to move speed 5

Your answer would be correct for erratic maneuvers.