Topic: Lord of the Rings Return of the King

[Khalee]

Just got to see the final video, And Im Like What in the Fing H was that It hardly followed the last book at all, plus it looked like it was rushed to me. I mean the battle scenes were pretty cool the scenes with the dead were cool, but it looked like the only thing they got  some what right was the ending and Frodos and Golums fight maybe. But they left out the scouring of the shire. Which was a important part of the book. You know the Animated version followed the book more closely than this did.

I would hate to see what this guy would do with the Hobbit and or the Simularian. I think the Simularian would be beyond his ability he would focus on the wrong characters like he did with this movie. Aragon and Arwin were not the main characters was the hobbits, Mainly Frodo.

[Iceman]

I think Jackson did very well. It's abit like trying to make War and Peace watchable for the masses, it'd be so hard....

The idea behind Aragon and them being more prominent in the movie I think was intended to give Frodo's cause some kind of weight and depth. Without everyone fighting, why would Frodo even bother right?  

I have to agree with you about the Shire. When I saw it in theaters, when the credits came on, I was walking out and said "It's funny because the shire gets razed in like 30 seconds." and nobody around me knew what the hell I was talking about.
 

[MarianoDT]

Maybe in the extended version we will find a lot of new parts.
I personally look forward to the fight between Saruman and Gandalf. That was a mayor dissapointment when I saw the movie. And a fight was anounced in the film between Gandalf and one of the flying bad guys (i don't remmember the name now, sorry) and never happened.  
I hope to see these scenes in the extended version.

 

[762]

My main beefs with ROTK are twofold.

One, Denethor was made out to be a complete lunatic, with no expanation of Sauron's having made him so through the palantir. And the jumping off the cliff scene was OTT and silly. (The Pippin palantir scene was also OTT and silly).

Two, two of the most tense and exciting moments of the book were not shown, two of the main face-to-face confrontations with the enemy. These were the scene where Gandalf faces down the Witch-King at the Great Gate of Minas Tirith (just before the Rohirrim arrive), and the parley with the Mouth of Sauron at the Morannon, who was never even introduced as a character.

I hope the EE shows at least some of the above.

[S'Raek]

Personally I thought Fellowship was the best of the three movies.  It seems like the farther along in the story he went the farther from the books Jackson deviated.  There were some great scenes in RotK, the charge of the Rohirrim (sp?) was excellent.  And at least he kept the ending with Frodo and Golum right.  But all of the characters were too shallow.  The thing I try to keep in mind is that these movies are probably the best translation of LoTR possible.

It will be interesting to see what is included in the extended edition.  And I also wonder what they are going to put in the Super Geek set.  The book ends from Fellowship are nice.      

[Dash Jones]

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Personally I thought Fellowship was the best of the three movies.  It seems like the farther along in the story he went the farther from the books Jackson deviated.  There were some great scenes in RotK, the charge of the Rohirrim (sp?) was excellent.  And at least he kept the ending with Frodo and Golum right.  But all of the characters were too shallow.  The thing I try to keep in mind is that these movies are probably the best translation of LoTR possible.

It will be interesting to see what is included in the extended edition.  And I also wonder what they are going to put in the Super Geek set.  The book ends from Fellowship are nice.        

I agree.

What is the Super Geek set?

[jualdeaux]

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Personally I thought Fellowship was the best of the three movies.  It seems like the farther along in the story he went the farther from the books Jackson deviated.  There were some great scenes in RotK, the charge of the Rohirrim (sp?) was excellent.  And at least he kept the ending with Frodo and Golum right.  But all of the characters were too shallow.  The thing I try to keep in mind is that these movies are probably the best translation of LoTR possible.

It will be interesting to see what is included in the extended edition.  And I also wonder what they are going to put in the Super Geek set.  The book ends from Fellowship are nice.        

I agree.

What is the Super Geek set?  

For TFoTR they had a DVD boxed set that had the EE version plus a set of bookends and some other stuff.

Prediction: The RoTK EE edition will come in a black box with silver lettering.

[Aldaron]

What everyone has to remeber is Jackson had to condense a massive story down to about 10-11 of movie for a general audience. He had to take elements and combine it all to make an interesting story (face it a lot of LOTR was fairly boring with a few interesting parts).

[Byzantine]

Funny thing about the boring though: while some of LOTR could run a little dry it was always readable.  Not like some of the more modern 'stuff' I try to read and just can not raise the willpower to wade through.

[MarianoDT]

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What everyone has to remeber is Jackson had to condense a massive story down to about 10-11 of movie for a general audience. He had to take elements and combine it all to make an interesting story

Agree, the Tolkien universe is far too big for a nine-hour movie.
And yet it is one of the best movies. (right next to Matrix, jeje)

Mariano
 

[3dot14]

Perhaps the animate version followed more closely, but it didn't finish. (one could argue BECAUSE it followed TOO closely)

I agree with 762, Denethor was really badly done. Witchking of Angmar was made to be a wuss. But I don't personally miss the Mouth of Sauron that much.

And I even agree with Jackson when he left the Scouring of the Shire. I don't think it's central to the story.

In addition to 762's list, I also miss the House of Healing. Heck, Warcraft 3's (for those who play it, I'm talking about the Return of Arthas) movie is more triumphant than Frodo's return.

I also had hoped for a longer epilogue, with some of the Appendix materials. (Death of Pippin and Merry, Gimli and Legolas setting sail, Passing of Aragorn etc.)


Prediction:
RoTK's EE Box will be Blue with Gold. (following the scheme set up by the first two.)

(I don't rule out the possiblity that Newline might release a three-box set with Black and Silver as the "big" box)

[Byzantine]

The Scouring of the Shire was important - in the books.  Much was made of the individual inspiration each of the Hobbits took from their homeland and much was made of the character of Hobbits in general.  The Scouring of the Shire was the closing of that theme/thread.  In the movie there was no time and no basis for it as there was so little character development.  Jackson made a trilogy of good adventure/action movies but the  story really needs mini-series timescale to do it justice.  We are all used to the story being published as a trilogy of 3 volumes it should be noted that there are 6 'books'.

The House of Healing, Imrahil, Denethor, and several other interesting characters/events were done in by no time being available for character development.  It seems to be an unfortunate economic and social fact of the entertainment industry - you either get blockbuster special effect movies short on story, or you might get story intensive mini-series short on effects (think BBC here).  Can't have it all so we take what we can get.

[The_Joker]

 

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 Prediction: The RoTK EE edition will come in a black box with silver lettering.
 

Negative.  The RotK EE will look exactly the same as FotR and TTT except in blue.  

[Corbomite]

The EE will have -

The confrontation with Saruman

The confrontation with the Witch King of Angmar

The parley with The Mouth of Sauron

The Houses of Healing (at least some of it where Faramir and Eowyn get friendly)

Aragorn wrestling the Palantir from Sauron's control

But no Scouring of the Shire (Saruman and Grima die at  Isengard)


I hope they put in Pippin killing the troll, but I don't see how it can be edited in without changing the whole sequence of events at that point in the film. There was also a continuity error where they never show Aragorn getting off of his horse right berfore the charge of the Black Gate.

[762]

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The EE will have -

The confrontation with Saruman

The confrontation with the Witch King of Angmar

The parley with The Mouth of Sauron

The Houses of Healing (at least some of it where Faramir and Eowyn get friendly)

Aragorn wrestling the Palantir from Sauron's control

But no Scouring of the Shire (Saruman and Grima die at  Isengard)


I hope they put in Pippin killing the troll, but I don't see how it can be edited in without changing the whole sequence of events at that point in the film. There was also a continuity error where they never show Aragorn getting off of his horse right berfore the charge of the Black Gate.  

Goody goody!

<jumps up and down like a hyperactive 5 year old>

[Scott Allen Abfalter]

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The Scouring of the Shire was important - in the books.  Much was made of the individual inspiration each of the Hobbits took from their homeland and much was made of the character of Hobbits in general.  The Scouring of the Shire was the closing of that theme/thread.  In the movie there was no time and no basis for it as there was so little character development.  Jackson made a trilogy of good adventure/action movies but the  story really needs mini-series timescale to do it justice.  We are all used to the story being published as a trilogy of 3 volumes it should be noted that there are 6 'books'.

The House of Healing, Imrahil, Denethor, and several other interesting characters/events were done in by no time being available for character development.  It seems to be an unfortunate economic and social fact of the entertainment industry - you either get blockbuster special effect movies short on story, or you might get story intensive mini-series short on effects (think BBC here).  Can't have it all so we take what we can get.  

People  like to say how the scouring scene was important.  I loathed that part of the book and it read like a short story add-on to me.  I was happy to see it left out of the film.

 

[S'Raek]

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The Scouring of the Shire was important - in the books.  Much was made of the individual inspiration each of the Hobbits took from their homeland and much was made of the character of Hobbits in general.  The Scouring of the Shire was the closing of that theme/thread.  In the movie there was no time and no basis for it as there was so little character development.  Jackson made a trilogy of good adventure/action movies but the  story really needs mini-series timescale to do it justice.  We are all used to the story being published as a trilogy of 3 volumes it should be noted that there are 6 'books'.

The House of Healing, Imrahil, Denethor, and several other interesting characters/events were done in by no time being available for character development.  It seems to be an unfortunate economic and social fact of the entertainment industry - you either get blockbuster special effect movies short on story, or you might get story intensive mini-series short on effects (think BBC here).  Can't have it all so we take what we can get.  

People  like to say how the scouring scene was important.  I loathed that part of the book and it read like a short story add-on to me.  I was happy to see it left out of the film.

 

To me the scouring of the Shire was important because it reinforced the changes in the Hobbits.  Even though Frodo and Bilbo couldn't stick around the Shire was in good hands.    

[Dracho]

You guys missed the symbolism..

The ring was a tiny thing that was forged and the world was worse because of it.  The Hobbits were tiny things who were forged into something larger than they were, and the world was better because of it.


It is the ultimate story of the triumph of the "Little Guy".  

[MarianoDT]

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The EE will have -

The confrontation with Saruman

The confrontation with the Witch King of Angmar

The parley with The Mouth of Sauron

The Houses of Healing (at least some of it where Faramir and Eowyn get friendly)

Aragorn wrestling the Palantir from Sauron's control

But no Scouring of the Shire (Saruman and Grima die at  Isengard)


I hope they put in Pippin killing the troll, but I don't see how it can be edited in without changing the whole sequence of events at that point in the film. There was also a continuity error where they never show Aragorn getting off of his horse right berfore the charge of the Black Gate.  

That is cool.!!!
But I wonder if they can REMOVE the song part in the end. Is it just me or it was silly..??? I mean, the king singing....  
   

[Merlinfmct87]

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The EE will have -

The confrontation with Saruman

The confrontation with the Witch King of Angmar

The parley with The Mouth of Sauron

The Houses of Healing (at least some of it where Faramir and Eowyn get friendly)

Aragorn wrestling the Palantir from Sauron's control

But no Scouring of the Shire (Saruman and Grima die at  Isengard)


I hope they put in Pippin killing the troll, but I don't see how it can be edited in without changing the whole sequence of events at that point in the film. There was also a continuity error where they never show Aragorn getting off of his horse right berfore the charge of the Black Gate.  

That is cool.!!!
But I wonder if they can REMOVE the song part in the end. Is it just me or it was silly..??? I mean, the king singing....  
   

That list looks awesome...hope it get's longer.

And if you don't like the idea of the main character's singing, don't read the book. Aragorn, Pippin, Frodo, Merry, and the gang frequently break into song to either while away the road or reveal some of Middle-Earth's immense three-milennia(sp) history. Plus I think they did it rather well.