Topic: A dead bird resurrected.... (Read 4466 times)

WickedZombie45 · « **on:** June 04, 2004, 02:18:33 am »

Who better to build a cursed ship than a man with a cursed soul?

I took a crack at this puppy back in late 2002 and shelved it soon afterwards, where it collected digital dust until late last week when I decided to try again. She's not modeled so much as she is molded and, barring any serious disasters, I might even get this one finished.

Core · « **Reply #1 on:** June 04, 2004, 02:23:50 am »

the malak returnes

ModelsPlease · « **Reply #2 on:** June 04, 2004, 05:20:11 am »

Klingon Fanatic · « **Reply #3 on:** June 04, 2004, 05:44:35 am »

Wow! OUTSTANDING so far. She's a beauty for a cursed ship WIP, LOL.

What size is this going to be? I think the consensus I am aware of is that it could be any size between a K' T'inga and up to half(?) the size of a D'deridex? I guess the old window scale could be used too..

How are the engines coming along?

Tell me again why you haven't been picked up by a software company for a job making PC game models?

[Crosses fingers, sends good karma in WZ45's direction]

Qapla!

KF

Fury_of_a_Seraph · « **Reply #4 on:** June 04, 2004, 06:04:47 am »

Quote:

^ what he said.

KingConstantine · « **Reply #6 on:** June 04, 2004, 09:00:22 am »

Pure Class Deadman. shes beautifull

Toasty0 · « **Reply #7 on:** June 04, 2004, 09:37:30 am »

nice

Marauth · « **Reply #8 on:** June 04, 2004, 10:08:46 am »

It's wicked, er, Wicked. LOL

I agree with all the

posts. Maybe now KF wont have to keep startiong all those 'urban legend' threads

BTW Just out of interest what happened to that Missouri you showed us ages ago? Has that been 'shelved' so to speak? I hope not it looked major class.

Dizzy · « **Reply #9 on:** June 04, 2004, 10:28:21 am »

cool tail end. Never seen one like that b4. Gonna use 4x Impulse engines on the points?

DonKarnage · « **Reply #10 on:** June 04, 2004, 11:23:38 am »

wz do you still have the p51 fighter for sfc1, if yes can you convert them to op?, this bird of prey will be great help for the romulan

WickedZombie45 · « **Reply #11 on:** June 04, 2004, 08:24:09 pm »

I didn't design this one, it's from the Star Trek: New Worlds game so I'm not straying far from the original concept. I put the impulse engines in between and behind the tail sections. As for the rest of the details, I'm having to take some artistic inspiration from the D'deridex as the Melak has few references to go by.

I didn't shelve the Missouri so much as avoid it - I hate making TMP Fed textures.

As for the P51 fighter, there isn't much need to make an OP version since both games use the same hardpoints and unless you were right on top of it, you couldn't notice the illumination anyway.

MarianoDT · « **Reply #12 on:** June 04, 2004, 08:35:44 pm »

Looking better and better !!!

Mariano

DonKarnage · « **Reply #13 on:** June 04, 2004, 08:46:01 pm »

do you still have them?i don't have anything from sfc1.

starforce2 · « **Reply #15 on:** June 04, 2004, 11:35:22 pm »

Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaamn

DookeyKing · « **Reply #16 on:** June 05, 2004, 05:50:20 am »

WOW!! Excellent work WZ!! Can't wait to get my hands on this baby. I bet KF crapped his pants when he opened this thread

Scott

Mariner · « **Reply #17 on:** June 05, 2004, 09:30:20 am »

I hope your planning to adress this, but the impulse sections meet ala D'deridex at the end. It's visible in KF's ref shots. Still nice work though.

BTW, are you open to making a "TMP" versnio of the Melak? It would probably be really neat, and a neat Rommie to play.

Fallen_Warrior · « **Reply #18 on:** June 05, 2004, 11:19:08 am »

ummmm the melak is a TMP ship because New worlds is set During TMP and in the same movie you see the good old consitution and a K'Tinga

Wicked Zombie can i just say that you arnt getting any complaints from me on this you have nailed the nacells, W shaped aft section and even the placement of the forward torp bay so keep it up

WickedZombie45 · « **Reply #20 on:** June 05, 2004, 01:36:23 pm »

Now that I've tracked down more reference pics, it does indeed have a 'tower' where my impulse engines were placed, and a few other details I hadn't caught. Nothing major, just means this birdy will be a bit later in leaving her nest. Of course, the whole point of this thread was to make sure I was getting it accurate. Incidentally, I don't suppose the movies from New Worlds are downloadable anywhere?

Even though it is technically a TMP ship, I think she's too advanced (and green) looking for the era and seems more like a direct predecessor to the D'deridex, and seems like the perfect candidate for the ships that blasted the Enterprise C to bits. Because of this, I had thought about making the green version and a TMP gray/feathered version to fall in line with the other TMP Romulan designs.

Funnily enough, the engines were one of the easiest parts of the whole ship, which is ironic considering I have a bad track record with making warp nacelles that often results in a dozen failed attempts and a half dozen remakes.

Fallen_Warrior · « **Reply #21 on:** June 05, 2004, 02:25:59 pm »

W,Z not wanting to interupt your ideas but judging by what was said in the first Romulan episode of TNG and i quote from data "no starfleet vessal has seen a romulan ship in almost 80 years and we have no idea what their technolagy or ships would be like"
so working from that and how the romulans were green in the minefeild episode of enterprise, i think the Melak would be green since it would have been the biggest and greatest ship in the star empire which was designed for testing new weapons and engines ect ect that it should be green but not as green as the D'Deridex so keep with the same shade as the screen caps of New worlds.

also as for the greyer versions of the textures which is your choice as head designer of this version is a semi good idea there has been a fore runner to both the Melak and the D'Deridex which was the greyer colour but that 2 had a fair bit of green in i think it was called the "Phoenix" and that does look like the melak in a few ways for one there is no lower connecting bridge joining the "head" to the underside of the ship and it has the same style nacels.

but like i said its your choice i thought i might add my 2 pence and if you would like i can write up a history of the melak as ive been ship braniac for a while

keep up the good work

Marauth · « **Reply #22 on:** June 05, 2004, 03:18:29 pm »

Actually the TOS Romulans are as grey as an old Edwardian film. It's only that pile of tripe Enterprise that has ruined things for us, the Romulans changed to green hulls sometime between Balance of Terror and The Nuetral Zone, so yeah, it could be green OR grey whichever the author prefers, in any case it's fairly easy to recolour it from grey to green or green to grey in paint shop pro or photoshop or any other half-decent paint package.

WickedZombie45 · « **Reply #24 on:** June 05, 2004, 03:40:40 pm »

Yes, but I don't consider much of Enterprise to be canon - Starfleet didn't know about Romulan cloaking technology until "Balance of Terror", but Enterprise screwed that up along with about everything else pre-established by other series. The TOS Bird of Prey was gray, as are most other TMP Romulan designs. The same applies to other races where they changed their color schemes in the TNG era.

I think that statement by Data was actually 53 years, not 80 years. It's obvious the Romulans and the Federation were at odds before that if you consider the "Tomed Incident" and "Treaty of Algeron", which implies some conflicts between the two before the Romulans went into hiding.

None of this realy matters anyway as I'm making the green one as planned and the gray one would be my own take - if people don't like it, they can use the green one and shoot the other one out the nearest airlock for all I care. The whole point of 2 color schemes is to appease both sides of the argument (and my ego).

Besides, gray looks better

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Fallen_Warrior · « **Reply #25 on:** June 05, 2004, 03:59:27 pm »

hell i will be happy with both colour schemes and sorry for the wrong amount of years my bad but yeah since it is your baby go for what ever you want dude

Klingon Fanatic · « **Reply #26 on:** June 05, 2004, 04:27:31 pm »

Purple with polka dots, green with hot, day glow pink stripes, I don't care about the color as much. I don't recall any TMP Movie where Romulans were grey or green BUT that doesn't matter to me as much as the spectacular accuracy of the details on this Melak.

The BIG question for me is how big is this going to be?

I was also thinking if the Romulans actually did withdraw for 53 years just how much actual technical knowledge would the Klingons and the Federation have on the Melak anyway? IF you assume that ST: New Worlds played out as an actual Trek event and a group of Klingons and Feds had no instruments or other recording devices available to assess the technical specs on the Melak anyway. They escaped on an alien starship that exploded... True the Klingons knew the Roms were testing the Shiva Device (via spies) but the K'tinga sent to intercept the Melak was lost as was the later Fed Connie sent to investigate...

I got the distinct impression that the Melak presented itself as probably the most advanced starship for its day. Too bad the Romulans didn't have the resources initially in TMP times to make a fleet of these ships. Kt'Hyla has a wonderful treatise on his website about the Romulans technological shift from using Klingon style warp drives (very resource intensive to dilithium poor Romulans) to going to the Quantum Singularity drives. In the absence of Interplay's write up on the "Melak" class, I do not think it is unreasonable to assume that the RIS Melak was equipped with an early quantum singularity drive a la the later D'deridex. I *think* it would have been available as a testbed for the Q-drives the Romulans were working on. Still it is a Paramount approved design and we all know how the Trek writers at paramount love to ignore technical and historic continuity anyway...

It is MY assumption that the RIS Melak was a proto-type anyway and that by EXTRAPOLATION that by the time the Ambassador class was fielded Melak warbird was already in full production. Hence, the number of warbirds that were readily available to attack Enterprise C...

Having said that, I will be happy to get my hands on WZ45's Melak regardless of the Color...

THANK YOU for the update WZ45.

KF

Smiley · « **Reply #27 on:** June 05, 2004, 06:17:48 pm »

KF; can you post a link to K'tyhla's website so I can read this info, please?

Excellent to read that you are doing a Melak, WZ

KtHyla · « **Reply #30 on:** June 05, 2004, 09:21:30 pm »

A direct link to the history I came up with can be found here...

KF dropped me a note about what was up, and the timing's actually pretty cool: Last winter I got involved in a project with a couple of other Klingon Academy moders and wound up building the Warbird I refered to in that history. Since she has to be released in parallel with the other moders' works she likely won't be relesed until August... of which is driving me up the wall since she's been ready to ship for months!

Good job on the Melak, Zombie, and defintiely keep at it! The D'Hatham (Great Preadator) is a substantially different ship from the Melak, leaning more toward TMP lines as opposed to the Melak's TNG looks, so the work's definitely not being duplicated. Since I'm in an NDE with the other modders I can't post pics or give a good description, but (hopefully) before the end of the month we'll be releasing a couple of new Rommies (CA, DD and a few support craft) of which will come with quick preview of what the D'Hatham will look like. I'll be able to post the "preview" by then.

One thing I can say is that I've opted for both colours: the original prototype will be a light grey (launched 2292), and the later production model (2305?) will be the same green-grey palette that I used on my K'T'Inga. Otherwise, both have a gold feather pattern painted on...

The second part of the history that I've writen describes the development of the new ships as the "Warbird Project": basicly, a scientific/engineering project to create a new classification of ship. Both the D'Hatham and Melak could have been developed in parallel, with the lines of the Melak bearing a larger influence on the later D'Deridex class.

WickedZombie45 · « **Reply #31 on:** June 05, 2004, 10:47:04 pm »

Nice of you to drop by Kt'Hyla - KA modders are a rarity around here. I can sympathize with the release delays and the itch to get the ship online. I've had to wait around with my feet propped on the desk a few times myself, though that's mainly been due to site issues.

WickedZombie45 · « **Reply #32 on:** June 06, 2004, 03:41:24 am »

In the homestretch:

Khalee · « **Reply #33 on:** June 06, 2004, 04:24:58 am »

Well went to your site love the textures of the Romulan D7 and the Klink D7 But only problem is they are lightwave files can lightwave export to obj that way I would be able to convert them to Mod format unless you dont want them converted.

KtHyla · « **Reply #35 on:** June 06, 2004, 10:37:15 am »

Thanks guys!

Lightwave does indeed have a .3DS plugin, but I've only been able to get the meshes across, can't figure out how Max's texturing interface works. I'm also unfamiliar with SFC's model setup, so I'd have to leave that in your hands...

Klingon Fanatic · « **Reply #36 on:** June 07, 2004, 06:51:57 pm »

One of the most SIGNIFICANT and MOST DESIRED adversary ships is under construction and its on page 3!??

I don't think so, LOL.

KF

Reverend · « **Reply #37 on:** June 08, 2004, 12:14:59 am »

very hospitable of you WZ! Looks fantastic!

jimkirk · « **Reply #38 on:** June 08, 2004, 12:41:47 am »

Yes my Undead friend you are right. BTW let's assume that New Worlds were just before decomissioning Enterprise A. This would mean that this birdy was a prototype of Melak class - first in her class - her first appearance in the ST: History

Lol you have a talent and hospitality

. I like your Cardassian and Tholian preety much. This will be my third these year favourite design.

BTW If I want to darken your Cardie textures abit to match all Cardies in my fleet will You agree to it and give me your undead disguise or will You rather bless me not to do so??

Fallen_Warrior · « **Reply #40 on:** June 08, 2004, 02:44:56 am »

ok Jim Kirk i dont know how cloacking devices work A they havent been made B its make belive. C the other reasons speak for themselves. Also perhaps the romulans are fashion consious and like green and the ship in enterprise may just have been an advanced prototype hence the mine feild to keep any prying eyes out of sensor range and when enterprise used the anti sulibon doohicky to see them the romulans had orders to capture this new intruder, or the fact that the tal shiar were testing it and because its so secret not even the empire knew about it its all up for grabs since its Sci-Fi thats why so many people watch the shows

KtHyla · « **Reply #41 on:** June 08, 2004, 12:33:23 pm »

Persoanlly, I wound up thinking early on that Enterprise was the early history of the DS9 Mirror Universe, since continuity'd been buggered so bad in that show:

Answer to "Broken Bow" Script: B.T.A

Basicly, if the Romulans had a good cloak back then, they'd have owned the Humans in the subsequent war. At best I'd imagine they'd have good ECM, of which the writer's for "Minefield" could have used. Having the Romulan ship playing cat-n-mouse with a crippled Enterprise while trying to scrape Reed off of the hull might have made for an even more interesting episode.

I ran into a similar explanation for the use of green on Klingon/Rommie ships, although they described the effect as a "lasing" effect, not that different from the one posted here. Non-canon, of course, but the show has never given any explanation as to why both Empire's ships are all green...

Although the mention of 80 years in "The Neutral Zone" precedes the mention of the Tomed Incident (2311, or 53 years before TNZ, and an implied Fed involvement), there was still a Romulan ambasador standing in the Fed Prez's office ony 70 years prior to the ep. That, and a number of other references seem to imply that the 80 years may have been a miscalculation.

Marauth · « **Reply #42 on:** June 08, 2004, 12:42:56 pm »

Slight problem there is that the mirror universe from DS9 is the same mirror universe from TOS where Earth pwned the Romulans in their war and formed and big evil empire (Terran Empire) it only diverges majorly from the normal Trek universe when beardy-Spock kills mirror-Kirk and takes over the Empire making it peaceful and consequently weakening it to the point that everyone else decides to get revenge leading to the events in DS9. There are an infinite number of universes in Trek though so this could just be another one that's not the Mirror one or the normal one.

SovereignEmpire · « **Reply #43 on:** June 08, 2004, 01:11:16 pm »

Looks like the Curse is going to be broken. Very Nice Work! This will be one beautiful and deadly warship.

jimkirk · « **Reply #44 on:** June 08, 2004, 02:10:54 pm »

I don't want to quote with you Fallen Warrior but the Trek Technology has been already written. You can access it on many sites. I am using such knowledge to create my own MOD - it is extremely difficult to match ships powers beacause of the lack of information in some areas. BTW I have such great time while listening to John Farnhams songs that I don't want to make any row here

Take care people

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