Topic: Revisiting the Republic (Read 7219 times)

Clark Kent · « **on:** June 03, 2004, 11:19:44 am »

Here's the background:
In early April my brother was pulled over for a bad headlight, and after being ticketed for this the officer pulling him over discovered my brother's insurance had expired. For this, he was also ticketed. Severakl days later my brother had already paid his ticket, and renewed his insurance when he received a letter informing him his license had been revoked for the incident. My brother took this in stride, made his way down to city hall as soon as possible- relying on rides to work and everywhere else in the meantime and asked how to correct this issue. All he was told was that he must retake the driver's exam. he did so, and after passing asked when he could drive again. The city officials told him immediately. This was april 12. A few days alter he was pulled over because an officer saw some smoke puff out when a drop of oil dripped onto the manifold of my brother's car and burned. He was ticketed again for this, and also informed that his license was revoked, and was ticketed once more for driving with a revoked license this time. Frustrated, he called me up to take him home, and once again erlied on rides to and fro until he once again made it to city hall to clear up the issue. He was then told that he had not completed the proceedure for renewing his license, and once again, he took it in stride and did as he was told. All was quiet until today, when he had his court date. In court, he was informed by the judge that since he had been driving without a license the issue was not an issue, he was simply in violation of the law. A deal was cut, without my brothers foreknowledge that if he [pled guilty, they would reduce the newest fine (amongst several) at $220. Since he was pulled over in mid april, and a mandatory evaluation of his driver's test that my brother was never told about occurred on May 16- more than 1 month after he took the test, he was considered to be in violation of the law. Period. If he plead not guilty, jailtime and $1000. Obviously, he plead not guilty. no quarter was even considered for the fact that my brother was told that he had a valid license to drive. This last part, I'm a little sketchy on: at some point this morning, one of the ladies- not sure if it was the judge, or an associate of the judge- after my brother told her about the incident and how he had been told NUMEROUS times by city officials he was cleared to drive she told my brother, "that's too bad, sometimes they tell people they can drive before they can; I wish they wouldn't do that." Translation: we know this happens and why it happens, and we will not accept any responsibility for it because we don't have to.

I'm sorry if this next part comes off as short, but I want to be clear on this next part: my brother feesl this incident is over and is so irritated by it that he is completely unwilling to fight this matter any further. While I value any advice the community has, I'd prefer not to hear it right now, because there is nothing that will be done at this point. Any attempt I make to even talk about this any further with him will result in a fight, so any discussion of how to handle this particular matter further is academic, and I'd rather not get good suggestions only to toss them by the wayside because they will never be entertained by the one person who needs them.
The reason I put this here is to ask this question: Where is the justice in this? If you reply about Rules, laws and regulations as though they're the word of God, I will get very irritated. My question is in regards to Ethics and Justice, not legality.

CK

P.S. I like Latinas...
....And apparently Asian ladies as well...

Sethan · « **Reply #1 on:** June 03, 2004, 11:26:59 am »

Justice and Bureaucracy are incompatible concepts.

Clark Kent · « **Reply #2 on:** June 03, 2004, 11:35:00 am »

It would appear you're right. I can't help but wonder why people should even bother to follow laws though when they ahve nothing to do with justice system. yes, they ahve guns, but living a life like that doesn't seem like much of a life to me.

CK

P.S. I like Latinas...
....And apparently Asian ladies as well...

Kmelew · « **Reply #3 on:** June 03, 2004, 11:44:11 am »

If possible have your brother get a lawyer. It sounds like he could use one!

Recently my sister was in an accident. She was in the process of making a left turn at an intersection. When she began her turn the light was green but in the middle of the intersection it turned yellow. At that time a lady coming from the opposite direction tried to run the yellow light and hit my sister head-on. When the Keystone Cops arrived my sister told them what happened and was given a summons for making an unsafe left turn, ignoring the fact that the other lady ran the yellow light (the skid marks began in the intersection, indicating she did not attempt to slow down while approaching the intersection).

When she got a copy of the police report, it almost completely different from what she had told them.

So my sister hired a lawyer and decided to fight the ticket. In the two months between the accident and the court date, the prosecutor offered her a lower charge, stating that if she lost the case she would lose her license (my sister has no points on her license) thus trying to itimidate her.

When the court date came her lawyer produced photos of the accident site and the damage to both cars. The prosecutor quickly dropped the charges.

Clark Kent · « **Reply #4 on:** June 03, 2004, 11:51:49 am »

That's exactly waht I was talking about: excellent advice, perfectly sound, but if I bring it up to my bro the least I can expect is several minutes of yelling and screaming. Besides, I'm not sure how easy it would be since the judge has already ruled.
Thanks anyways though.

CK

P.S. I like Latinas...
....And apparently Asian ladies as well...

RogueJedi_XC · « **Reply #5 on:** June 03, 2004, 10:08:07 pm »

It's called an appeal, and it's available at pretty much all levels of criminal court (and traffic tickets count as criminal acts!). You're brother is rightfully pissed, but if all he can do is yell and scream, he needs to grow the f**k up, get a lawyer (as he should have in the first time they "screwed up"), and fight this thing.

Kmelew · « **Reply #6 on:** June 03, 2004, 10:32:46 pm »

Quote:

This last part, I'm a little sketchy on: at some point this morning, one of the ladies- not sure if it was the judge, or an associate of the judge- after my brother told her about the incident and how he had been told NUMEROUS times by city officials he was cleared to drive she told my brother, "that's too bad, sometimes they tell people they can drive before they can; I wish they wouldn't do that." Translation: we know this happens and why it happens, and we will not accept any responsibility for it because we don't have to.

This might the basis of an appeal. Please have your brother consult a lawyer--whether he likes it or not! He's only hurting himself much more than needed!

Clark Kent · « **Reply #8 on:** June 04, 2004, 12:30:31 am »

thanks all, I'll give it a shot in a day or two, see if he's willing to talk about it again, hopefully he'll be calmed down. He's rightfully pissed, but it's gotten so out of hand, after he's given an enormous amount of patience with the assumption that if he's patient and nice people will eventually listen to reason. he and I both share this flaw. Eventually, we reach our boiling point and we can only feel rage at the people that push us and push in situations like this until it reaches ridiculous levels. Apparently this type of legal issue is common in this town. I just talked to a friend tonight- he got a speeding ticket here, and didn't have his insurance card on hand- he had insurance, just left the card at home. He sent in his insurance info as requested, got a confirmation that it had arrived, and days later found out that a warrant had been issued for his arrest because they didn't have his insurance info as proof his car was insured. Well, he was brought in, luckily he managed to avoid any major charges because he had a couple friends who were cops here.
I don't think anger like this is immature at all. I think that it takes an unbelievable amount of maturity to be patient when people are screwing with you like this, but at some point the patience has to give way, no matter what. I too agree that this judge should be punished, but from what my dad (a former cop) has told me, there is little to no chance of that.

CK

P.S. I like Latinas...
....And apparently Asian Ladies as well...

Ravok · « **Reply #9 on:** June 04, 2004, 12:45:59 am »

The whole thing sounds like a pathetic attempt to generate revenue for the city. I would never let an injustice like this go.

Erik Bethke · « **Reply #10 on:** June 04, 2004, 03:00:57 am »

Nah, couldn't be. Don't all the guys that work for our government just do it because they are fine upstanding people that serve us?

-Erik

Ravok · « **Reply #11 on:** June 04, 2004, 03:19:35 am »

KD4 · « **Reply #12 on:** June 04, 2004, 03:57:45 am »

a judge get punished, only if he does something that gets the medias attention. i have been in front of judges 3 times for child support. 2 where ok and 1 was good. the frist two asked her income and mine. states that state guide lines say i pay this amount. my income goes up again and the 3rd judge askes same qustions but than he askes me how much does my daughter stay with me. i tell him 2-3 days a week and most of her summer vaction. he askes my ex if this is true and she says it is. he gets a smile on his face and tells us it is a real pleaser to have a a case in front of him where both parents had full involment in the childs life. he gose on to say that the state has difernt guidelines for these situations and my child support goes down! now my ex is very upset and he tells her that since this has gone on for the entire time we have been seperated that if it changes she had better have a very good reason and he would still be very upset regardless of the reason. he went on to say that to hev both parents provide full time homes for the child is what is best and both should be of simular living standards.

now an example of a bad judge. my brother goes before a judge for child support and this judge slams him for no reason. he is asked the same qustions and is told what he will pay. after doing the math he stats to the judge that with that amount his $16hr 40 hr a week job he would be left with $63 after taxes. the judge tells him to get a second job! now she makes about the same as he does. we pool our money and he finds a lawyer that will take the case for what whe have. the judge delays the case and 8 months later he is force to lower it to the maximum amount allowed by law. my brother is told he can not get back the illigel extra amount he has paid for 8 months and his lawyer tells him this judge regulary thinks with the wrong head and that excep for geting it to the corect level that nothing will be done to the judge.
judges are people and run the spectrum from great to good to poor and a few that should not be allowed to judge a pie contest.

p.s just useing examples from my life where both cases where very much the same except the judge.

SL-Punisher · « **Reply #16 on:** June 04, 2004, 09:13:48 pm »

SHuush....don't even mention the possibility of litigation.

THEY'LL HEAR YOU!

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