Topic: Fighters

[nx_adam_1701]

Well Villa, I asked, but no one answered, i have no clue wat fi-con is, can you elaborate

adam out

[Villa64]

Well...

I sold my SFB stuff a few years ago, but I remember one of the scenarios as being something like the Kzin used some modified PF's to tow fighters.  Had limited success until they met some Klingon gunships commanded by a legendary captain.  The PF's were a little different than standard, but I cant remember the configuration.  I think this scenario was based on a real life experiment post WWII, where long range bombers had the escort fighters hooked up to it, and they launched only when necessary (no return trip apparently).  Sounds like exciting stuff.  

And thats all I can remember about that...

Villa64

[Age]

   I guess you could put fighter on if you modify the PFs in the shiplist and put in a  shuttle bay.I will have try this sometime.I wonder whoes fighters you could use eg.Lyran Klingon  maybe Gorn Federation or ISC.This would be the big question.If anybody has any ideas just post them.  

[IKV Nemesis D7L]

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   I guess you could put fighter on if you modify the PFs in the shiplist and put in a  shuttle bay.I will have try this sometime.I wonder whoes fighters you could use eg.Lyran Klingon  maybe Gorn Federation or ISC.This would be the big question.If anybody has any ideas just post them.    

In SFB the Gorn were (for phsyiological reasons) unable to fly fighters.  They bought fighters from the Federation and hired humanoid mercenaries to fly them.  

[Age]

   Thanks IKV Nemesis  

[nx_adam_1701]

kool info, never knew that
thx
adam out

[Magnum357]

Hey Adam, just too let you know, a Fi-con is basically a heavily modified PF.  In SFB, the Mirak/Kzinti wanted too find some way too extend their range of attack with PF's.  Since Mirak/Kzinti rely heavily on Fighters, they experimented with a concept where they took standard PF's and ripped out most of the weapons in them and instead installed Hardpoints too hold Fighters with.  The Theory was that a Base of PF Tender could carry these Fi-con PF's and head strategically torward a Battle (like a two or three day trip) but not engage directly in the battle, then launch their fighters for the initial battle.  It looked good on paper as it did give Fi-cons the advantage of suprise and extended range, but the entire system had flaws.  

The Mirak/Kzinti found out that their was no way for these Fi-con PF's too rearm or repair any Fighters that happened too return the the Fi-con Floatila.  The Fi-cons themselves had hardly any armament so if they where attacked initially they had too hope their Fighters they where carrying would protect them.  But since the Fighters had too carry their own ordinance, Fi-con squadrons where hopelessly outgunned against other PF's or ships.  And of course, the waste in resouces.  A Fi-con Squadron where somewhat useless for most Carrier duties where an Auxiary Carrier (ie. a Freighter converted for Military Carrier duties) could do basically the same job with extended range compared too Fi-cons.  

The Mirak/Kzinti did find that Fi-cons only really good use was for key suprise strikes (ie. WWII Doolittle type raids) where you needed a squadron of Fighters too attack a specific target and get back too base without anyone noticing.  But overall, Fi-cons where not that effective and the Mirak/Kzinti I beleive only build one or two squadrons for specail missions and training purposes.  SFB did include Fi-cons for other races, but they where purely conjectural.

One last thing, since the Federation supplied the Gorns fighters during the General War (mostly F-8s and F-18s) they had too hire Mercanaries because the average Gorn was just too darn big too fit in a Fed fighter!  

[The_Infiltrator]

The Fi-Con scenario you are thinking of is SH14.0, Fi-Con Fiasco in module K. Historically, the Kzinti 23rd Fi-Con Flotilla was mauled in battle in Y181 by Kollos Kumerian's 701st Gunboat Flotilla (a Klingon G1 group). The Kzinti were not the only race to employ Fi-Cons, my hydrans did as well with the Valkyrie PF.

As for the Gorn, they as said couldn't fit into standard fighter cockpits, so they hired Skolean mercanaries to fly their fighters. This is one reason the gorn lagged all other races but the lyrans in carrier development. Gorns used fighters bought from the federation, including the G-10, G-18, G-20, G-8, and G-12 fighters. These were the same as the federation types with plasma D or F rounds replacing the missles. The only home grown fighter shuttle types used by the gorn was the G-30 Wyvern and the bomber types, which were large enough to accept Gorn pilots (the G-30 being a heavy 2 space fighter).  

[Bonk]

Thanks for the good explanation Magnum and Infiltrator, I just got back to this thread today.
There are fighter carrying PFs in the SFB OP mod, but they are anything but stock PFs;
I found that G-man's original work on this list was quite a good effort at representing
SFB ships in OP. And fun too!    

[hobbesmaster]

Valkyries are not conjectural, they are actually in the standard flotilla in module K.  I always cut and paste a harrier/hellion/howler into the flotilla...

Actually, come to think of it, I've never commanded a howler squadron...  

[nx_adam_1701]

Thanks, finally a solid answer, I was wondering about the gorn thing to, makes sense lol, but the fi con sounds kool to experiment with, thanks

Adam out

[nx_adam_1701]

So they did make atleast one fighter for themselves, that is the gorn i mean, good to know

adam out

[nx_adam_1701]

In SFC2OP, whats the maximum amount of fighters that can be set in oner squadron, and is 4 squadrons the maximum amount of squadrons you can have in a carrier???????????

adam out

Thx in advance

[Captain Ron]

I have never tried more than 6 fighters per squad myself, but I do believe that 4 squards is the maximum that you can have.

[762]

6 is the max.

[nx_adam_1701]

sorry for reponding so late, the forums were down, wow i never knew how much i needed this forumtil today, thank goodness there back, anyways thanks

adam out

[DonKarnage]

the max is 6 fighter and 4 quadron, its the max  the ship edit have.

[don420]

is it possible for a pf to have a fighter???

[nx_adam_1701]

nope, because a pf is still in that race category, and if that race has pf's than it may be possible for a pf to have a pf, I once did an experiment but the game crashed because stupid me forgot that if a pf has a pf, than every pf will generate a pf, and it multiplied until the game crashes, it was quite funny, it seemed like that TNG episode where the Enterprise D's from other dimensions kept entering one dimension, lol, except with pfs everywhere

adam out

[Sten]

Yes you can add fighters to any PF in the game.

Matter of fact you can add BB's to PFs if you so desire.

The proviso is that if the PF dies whatever fighter or ship you launch from for PF will explode also.