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DonKarnage · « **on:** May 30, 2004, 10:54:16 pm »

i was wondering what size is the millenium falcon, compare to startrek ship, it seem a little smaller that a klingon bird of prey, also in the return of the jedi leya was looking like a breen when she free ans from the carbonite?, and when the go into hyperseep how fast it is compare to warp speed?

Johanobesus · « **Reply #1 on:** May 31, 2004, 01:15:19 am »

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i was wondering what size is the millenium falcon, compare to startrek ship, it seem a little smaller that a klingon bird of prey,

Well, I think the Millennium Falcon is supposed to be under 30m in length, and the Constitution is 289m. Just eyeballing it, the seating space in the Falcon seems a bit larger than the pit area the captain's chair sits in on the Connie. Overall, the cockpit is probably about the same size as the Galileo shuttle, at least in width and height. The whole thing should be a good bit smaller than A Constitution's saucer.

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also in the return of the jedi leya was looking like a breen when she free ans from the carbonite?,

That was probably a deliberate homage or Easter Egg on the part of the Star Trek folks, since of course the Breen were first seen on DS9 some ten years after Return of the Jedi was released. It has been noticed and commented upon thousands and thousands of times by now.

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and when the go into hyperseep how fast it is compare to warp speed?

Hyperspeed is much faster than warp. They are able to cross the galaxy in very short amounts of time. Look at Attack of the Clones, where they go from the center of the galaxy to various spots on the outer edge in a reasonable amount of time. Compare that to the seventy years it was supposed to take the Voyager. Of course, there is STV, but then "continuity" and "Star Trek" don't exactly go together.

Praxis · « **Reply #2 on:** May 31, 2004, 01:20:20 am »

There are two estimates, both based on different tech manuals, and onscreen measurements.

The Falcon is either 28 meters long or 45 meters long, whichever you believe. BOP's range alot in ST (one episode had 3 Bird of Preys half the size of the Enterprise-D to chase down a Romulan Warbird!), but are in general about a hundred meters long.

Going by the longer estimate, it's half the size of a BOP, and going by the other, its a third. Take your pick.

I think I believe the 45 meter estimate more.

Praxis · « **Reply #3 on:** May 31, 2004, 01:27:17 am »

http://stardestroyer.net/tlc/Power/index.html

While it is about the characteristics and firepower of turbolasers, about halfway through the page they take measurements on the Falcon. Leaving out the pictures, I'll quote it here:

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Curtis Saxton finds that the twin globes on top of ISD bridge towers are ~43 meters in diameter. In this image, the Falcon is attached to the stern portion of one of these towers. The globe is 92 pixels in diameter. The Falcon is 93 pixels wide and 114 pixels long. By these measurements, the Falcon is ~43.5 meters wide and ~53.2 meters long.

(later in the page) Some would argue that the Falcon is only 26.7 meters long, as West End Games sourcebooks state.

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Note that West End Games is not canon, and Curtis Saxton wrote the Incredible Cross Sections, the only Star Wars tech manual to ever be considered canon, and also had backstage blueprints and views of the original models. And he is a theoretical astrophysicist. So I'll go with Saxton over West End Games, thank you very much.

As for Leia looking like a breen, as stated above, ROTJ was years before the breen were ever introduced.

As for hyperdrive vs warp speeds,
The warp speed table is as follows (taken from the TNG TM and the Star Trek Encyclopedia):

Warp Factor
Speed in multiples of c

1
1

2
10

3
39

4
102

5
214

6
392

7
656

8
1024

9
1516

9.6
1909

9.9
3053

9.99
7912

9.9997
200,000

Warp 9.9, the max speed of the Enterprise-D, is 3,053 times faster than lightspeed.

For SW speeds, one of the best articles is found here: http://stardestroyer.net/Empire/Tech/Propulsion/Propulsion2.html

(Sorry for using SD.net, but I find it very informative)

The Rebel Fleet apparently moved at a speed of 3.5 million times lightspeed, and these were REBEL ships, not exactly high tech well maintained imperial military hardware, and likely going at the speed of the slowest ship in the fleet.

The Millenium Falcon has been estimated to move at about 50 million times lightspeed (which is why it is called the fastest ship in the galaxy). Notice they went from Tatooine (outer rim) to Alderaan (in the Core) in a few hours.

Magnum357 · « **Reply #4 on:** May 31, 2004, 04:58:50 am »

We really don't know if it was a few hours between those systems. It could have been a day or two of travel for the Millenium Falcan too reach Alderaan.

Sandman3D · « **Reply #5 on:** May 31, 2004, 10:51:06 am »

Well, according to the NEW Essential Guide to Vehicles and Vessels, The Millenium Falcon is 27m long.

Hyperdrives are classified bt number with the lower number being faster...i.e. Imperial Star Destroyer is a class 2, while the Millenium Falcon is a class 0.5.

Johanobesus · « **Reply #7 on:** May 31, 2004, 12:59:38 pm »

Wait a minute, 22 days from Tatooine to Coruscant? It sure didn't seem that long in the movie. So with the pit stop to pick up Anikin, that means the Trade Guild was occupying Naboo for almost a month before the heroes came back?

And wasn't there another post above mine last night, claiming the Falcon was as big as a Constitution's saucer? Or was I hallucinating again?

SovereignEmpire · « **Reply #9 on:** June 01, 2004, 01:29:32 pm »

Star Wars.com has the Falcon rated at 26.7 meters long. So at that size it would be at least 2 or 3 meters longer than the Delta Flyer. And as for the Breen thing, I'm sure Star Wars doesnt care or else they would have said somthing a long time ago. Besides, Star Wars has copied things from other places as well and no one cares about those. ILM did the graphics for Trek all they way up to at least VI, so i'm sure it was a tribute in someway.

Praxis · « **Reply #10 on:** June 01, 2004, 01:30:52 pm »

I don't think the Delta Flyer is THAT long...anyway the Falcon is wider.

Magnum357 · « **Reply #11 on:** June 01, 2004, 08:42:33 pm »

I don't have a problem with Coruscant too Tattooine bing over 20 days of travel. I don't understand why people who watch movies don't consider the fact that certain segments between scenes could represent more then a few hours, it could mean several days too maybe even a week.

SovereignEmpire · « **Reply #12 on:** June 01, 2004, 09:56:33 pm »

Your right, the Delta Flyer is only rated at 21 meters long, so the Falcon is like 5 to 6 meters longer. And of course its wider, lol.

Iceman · « **Reply #14 on:** June 01, 2004, 11:27:14 pm »

As far as I know, this is how it's determined as to how 'fast' you move around in the SW Galaxy.

In the outer regions, there are black holes. They are few and far between. This means that ships of all slzes can move about, with faster (and/ or smaller) ships can cut closer to these holes and make it out.

The farther inward you move, the closer these black holes become. This leads to more down (out of hyperspace) time to safely navigate around the hole. Again, smaller ships like corvettes (the Falcon) or fighters (X-Wings) could make the trip significatly shorter than say a Star Destroyer or Calamari Cruiser.

In the core, there are black holes EVERYWHERE and travel by hyperspace is nearly impossible. I think I read in "Star By Star" that that is where Luke wants to hide the Jedi Students for training.

Praxis · « **Reply #15 on:** June 02, 2004, 08:54:08 am »

Good point. I remember that.

SovereignEmpire · « **Reply #16 on:** June 02, 2004, 11:09:54 am »

I found the best way of figuring out how big the Falcon is to a Federation starship. The Falcon would almost fit into the Captains yacht of an Intrepid class ship. The Star Wars website makes clear that the Falcon is 26.7 meters. Although it doesnt give the ships overall beam. The Yacht under an Intrepid class is 24.8 meters long, and its wingspan is 29.6 meters long. so if you look under an Intrepids saucer, you could imagine how it would look, and then size out to a Galaxy or Sovereign class.

Praxis · « **Reply #17 on:** June 02, 2004, 12:38:55 pm »

However, it looks a bit bigger in the hangar than the Delta Flyer. QUITE a bit longer and WAY wider.

Notice the size? If you measure it in comparison to the globe (which are officially measured by curtis saxton using the original Star Destroyer model from LucasArts) you get that the Falcon is 43.2 meters wide and 53.2 meters long.

SovereignEmpire · « **Reply #18 on:** June 02, 2004, 03:30:57 pm »

I think the website has more authority than Curtis Saxton does. Just because he wrote a book. I mean, look at how big she looks when she is on the ground in ANH. She is clearly no 43 Meters. The website stats remain. 26.7 meters.

Praxis · « **Reply #19 on:** June 02, 2004, 04:17:37 pm »

Actually, thats what I was referring too. On the ground in ANH.

Compare the size of the Delta Flyer to a guy standing next to it, to the Falcon with a guy standing next to it.

There is no way the Falcon can be almost the size of the Delta Flyer. Especiall with all the onboard space! It's supposed to be a light freighter, remember? We saw soo many little passageways Han was fixing in TESB, and there were the smuggling compartments...
Remember how much of the hangar it took up on the Death Star? There had been a legion of troops in there earlier.

Anyway, Curtis Saxton has more authority than you think. The book he wrote was the only SW tech manual to be considered CANON by Lucasarts, and he worked with George Lucas on it and got to measure the behind-the-scenes models actually used in the movies, and got to access all the original blueprints and scripts.

I don't think he listed the Falcon's length in his book, but he did measure the ISD's globes off the original model, and compared it to the 1600 meters of an ISD to get an estimate of the size in meters of it, then compared it to the Falcon in the pic, and got 43 meters, which fits what some other (albiet non canon, but official) manuals.

It really depends what you believe more- the writer of the only canon tech manual and astrophysicist who actually MEASURED the studio models, or the database at Star Wars.com (more official than the other non canon tech manuals, though not necessarily canon).

Tough call.

Praxis · « **Reply #20 on:** June 02, 2004, 04:21:43 pm »

Hm, apparently had a misconception about the size of the Delta Flyer.

http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/articles/delta/delta-assembly.jpg

Guess it's bigger than I thought. I was thinking it was a little bigger than the tiny TNG shuttles (which weren't much bigger than X-wings...where are the warp cores on those things, anyway? The back of it opens up for cargo, no room for power core!).

However, looking at the interior...

http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/articles/delta/delta-flyer-interior.jpg

It looks way smaller than the Falcon on the inside.

Magnum357 · « **Reply #21 on:** June 02, 2004, 06:48:51 pm »

I think I agree with others on this. I really think the Falcon must be more like 40 Meters long then 26. Ya, it stats that in some Star Wars Tech book, but if you guys remember some of the tech stuff presented in the Star Trek: DS9 Tech Manual didn't make sense either. As stated above, the Falcon is suppose too carry Cargo too and we see many times that it is quite a bit larger then Fighters. Also, just look at the Bridge/Cock Pit of the Falcon. I think looking at the set for the Bridge is a good example of proving that the ship must be more like 40 meters because if it was 26 meters, it would look really weird with such a large Bridge section.

SovereignEmpire · « **Reply #22 on:** June 02, 2004, 07:58:02 pm »

You can?t make an accurate measurement by a model used in the original films. You did know that the size of the Rebel Blockade Runner was bigger than the Imperial Star Destroyer chasing it? It would be kind of hard to measure them correctly when the smallest ship is really bigger than the massive ship its running from. Also, I wasn?t comparing the Falcon with the Flyer; I was comparing it to the Aeroshuttle of the Intrepid Class. The Flyer is 21meters long and the Aeroshuttle is 24.8 meters.

DonKarnage · « **Reply #24 on:** June 02, 2004, 10:28:17 pm »

is there anything on the official starwars site about the size of the falcon?, also if you look at starwats episode4 the falcon is biger that the delta flyer, but is it biger that a bop?.

Praxis · « **Reply #25 on:** June 03, 2004, 12:49:22 am »

No, the BOP is 100 meters long I believe.

The Falcon is either 27 meters long by StarWars.com, or 45 meters long by the original model and Curtis Saxton, astrophysicist who measured the models and wrote the only canon tech manual.

So it's either a tad bit bigger than a shuttle (yeah, right), or half the length of a BOP.

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