Topic: Star Trek Enterprise: Zero Hour (season finale)

[Harlax]

Can you say Galactica 1980?

(Sorry if I stirred up any memories you might have been repressing there....)

[Alidar Jarok]

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So, age is considered intimate information to Vulcans?      

No, just to some women.

[Rat_Boy]

Here's a question: how come none of the Germans gave a crap that Nosferatu is apparently an SS officer?  Or perhaps it's the Red Skull's eviler cousin, the Blue Skull.

[Gambler]

Think about it this way.  With going back into WW2 the era and continuing the time travel arc they can do the following:

1)  Save on pesky repairs to their Enterprise Set.

2)  Avoid those nasty Trekers who don't like what they're doing with the Rodenberry timeline.  See!  That NEVER EVER EVER could have happened because we're in an alternate universe!

 

[Sirgod]

 

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 Or perhaps it's the Red Skull's eviler cousin, the Blue Skull.

 

 

Does that Make Archer The New Captain America?

Stephen

[James_Smith]

Well, that last five or so minutes of the episode was the most ridiculous load of bullsh*t on Trek since the Warp 10 episode of Voyager...

So the weapon blows up. We now have to accept that Archer somehow is transported both several million kilometres away and several hundred years back in time. And Enterprise is also transported back to this time period. I guess that Aquatic ship travelled back in time as well, but I'm sure that the writers will be completely ignoring that little fact.

Oh, and the Nazis are teaming up with Scary Looking Aliens?. This is the Nazis - a group of people who were convinced that they had to keep the purity of their race, and that anyone who was different must be eliminated. Great choice guys.

Anyone want to take bets on what will happen in Season 4? I'm going to guess that it will take several eps for Enterprise to get back to it's own time, so the writers have plenty of time now to completely bugger things up.

 

[Gambler]

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So the weapon blows up. We now have to accept that Archer somehow is transported both several million kilometres away and several hundred years back in time. And Enterprise is also transported back to this time period. I guess that Aquatic ship travelled back in time as well, but I'm sure that the writers will be completely ignoring that little fact.
 



After my initial post I had the same thoughts.  Talk about a load of crap.  Or what if we didn't go back in time but history changed to allow the Nazi's to have been more dominant in WWII.  So it's Today as far as Enterprise is concerned but Earth has changed.  Why would it?  Blowing up the weapon in this timeline as long as we stay in this timeline isn't going to effect the past.  Unless the time traveling bad guys had a second plan in place an implemented it at the same time the Xindi were doing there thing.

[Scott Allen Abfalter]

I can't make heads or tails out of it.

I am going on the assumption that Enterprise is not warped back in time, because of (as it was pointed out) the Xindi dropping them off.  

I am going on the assumption that Archer is in the past because the whole scene had a WWII feel to it.

My guess is that WWII is messed up because Evil Aliens are messing with the poor, too-often abused, timeline.   Somehow this messed up our history such that by Enterprise's time the Earth still had not achieved space travel and even aviation has not progressed.  Maybe the Nazi's were not defeated in the 1940's and it's 200 years later and we're still fighting?

Malcom said that things "did not look different" from the air.  Does that imply that San Francisco is built up to 22nd century levels or is it built to 1940's levels?  Or maybe he could not tell.

All and all there was not enough info to make it all fit.  One thing I can say: it really, REALLY, reeks of 3rd season TOS nonsense and instead of anxiously awaiting the next season (like I was at the end of season 2) I have a summer of waiting to see if things are going to end up as stupid as they appear.

 

[Kortez]

Good questions, Scott.  I will reserve judgment until I see what is up next season.

Did anyone else notice the alien had 2 pips on his uniform?  Does that make him a lieutenant in Star Fleet's equivalent?


 

[James_Smith]

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All and all there was not enough info to make it all fit.  One thing I can say: it really, REALLY, reeks of 3rd season TOS nonsense and instead of anxiously awaiting the next season (like I was at the end of season 2) I have a summer of waiting to see if things are going to end up as stupid as they appear.

 

At least Season 3 of TOS had a couple of excuses for being bad (tiny budget and terminal network neglect). When the writing was good - "The Enterprise Incident" for example - the episode was brilliant. All of Enterprise's problems come down to the same thing - lazy writing.

[Clark Kent]

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I am going on the assumption that Archer is in the past because the whole scene had a WWII feel to it.

My guess is that WWII is messed up because Evil Aliens are messing with the poor, too-often abused, timeline.   Somehow this messed up our history such that by Enterprise's time the Earth still had not achieved space travel and even aviation has not progressed.  Maybe the Nazi's were not defeated in the 1940's and it's 200 years later and we're still fighting?

No doubt, it seems like they've messed with the timeline in this series already more than anyother trek series as far as I can tell.  Except, they're not satisfied with smaller, isolated incidents anymroe- they have to change the fabric of entire societies for their plots.  It has to be a time change.  For one, during WWII incredible advances in aviation alone.  If it hadn't been for hitler, there would have been jet fighters and bombers in service by 1943.  The allies were only a couple yeatrs behind, even though their jets were not nearly as good as the german ones.  Bollistic misdsile technology was born in WWII, despite the fact that they all but dissapeared for a decade or two after the war.  The atomic bomb was on the virge of being created by the US, Germans and Japanese in WWII, the US was just lucky to make it there first because of luc in break throughs or luck in other areas.  
There are other areas as well.  If WWII had continued on and on and on, eventually scientific progression would have ground to a halt, but it would still be much more advanced than what we think of as the arsenals back then.  Also, the germans, russians and japanese were losing people at far too high a rate to have lasted more than a few year more- I give it a max of 15, and that's pushing it.  Keep in mind, while the US lost 314,000 in WWII the casualties for Germany, russia and japan numbered in the millions- the russians losing tens of millions at that.  A war extended further than it was would have left the world in what we would consider a post apocolyptic society.  
My best guess is that future man tried to pull Archer away from the exploding sphere at the last minute and lost him to the past.  Then, he decided to send enterprise back after they left the xindi ship to retrieve him and fix yet another time problem.  
I understand the theory of suspension of disbelief, and I also understand you can only suspend it so far.  I'm sorry, but this is just terrible story writing, and a lousy plot device.  I remember a TOS episode where they supposedly went to the past and intercepted some dude who was some kind of alien for a spin off show.  It was one of the worst things I had ever seen.  This is worse.

CK

P.S.  I like latinas...
....And apparently Asian ladies as well...

[Rat_Boy]

This'll go down as the Trek equivalent of the Janet Jackson Super Bowl incident; there was quite a compelling showdown being waged between the Carolina Reptilians and the Federation Patriots, but everyone will forget about that and focus on one little incident that seemed to be a completely separate part.

[ActiveX]

Next thing you know, we'll see Voyager accidently hit Enterprise, with the SS Bounty as clean up hitter...all over the Golden Gate Bridge...

[Kortez]

My initial thoughts is the end represents no trip into the past, that we are seeing alien intervention in Earth's time line, that this involves the Suliban, which has not been resolved, and that Earth has been transformed into such a sorry state of affairs it can never evolve and help create the future that we have all come to know and enjoy.

Earth is a pretty important planet, and if it never develops into the warp-driven society of peace and exploration, someone is not going to be stopped.
 

[Sirgod]

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My initial thoughts is the end represents no trip into the past, that we are seeing alien intervention in Earth's time line, that this involves the Suliban, which has not been resolved, and that Earth has been transformed into such a sorry state of affairs it can never evolve and help create the future that we have all come to know and enjoy.

Earth is a pretty important planet, and if it never develops into the warp-driven society of peace and exploration, someone is not going to be stopped.
 

Very Interesting idea actually. Maybe Khan is still alive here in this Future??? Or Col. Green???

Stephen

[Captain Krenn]

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This'll go down as the Trek equivalent of the Janet Jackson Super Bowl incident; there was quite a compelling showdown being waged between the Carolina Reptilians and the Federation Patriots, but everyone will forget about that and focus on one little incident that seemed to be a completely separate part.  

Ack!  If Archer has a "wardrobe malfunction" I'm gonna hurl!!

Hoshi or T'Paul on the other hand...

 

[BortaS]

They had one chance to win back some of the fans they lost.    I was with them right up until the P-51's.  I just changed the channel and thought to myself that it's time to get off the crap wagon known as Enterprise.  

[Dash Jones]

Look at it in a positive light.  Now B&B can do what they've been doing to the trek timeline, but do it to the world's history!  Next thing we know, they'll have Mussolini leading tanks against Patton and winning, Hitler's forces taking St. Petersburg in the winter along with Moscow and everything up to Siberia before the Russians strike back, the Nazi's with ICBM's, and the American's barely winning because the Enterprise comes at the last moment and fires some point defense at the ICBM's launched by Hitler!

[Kortez]

Let's hold our judgment until we see next year's episodes to start the season.  I don't like the WW2 crap, but it is still possible it will be interesting.  I say they are NOT back in time or the helm would have noticed the star's being out of position.

We will see ...
 

[E_Look]

Ahhh, finally!  A calmer voice.  True to form, Kortez.  Not bad for a spy kid.

P.S.  I think in general, the show has recovered its entertainment value, many episodes ago.