Topic: Star Trek Enterprise: Zero Hour (season finale)

[Kortez]

Good questions, Scott.  I will reserve judgment until I see what is up next season.

Did anyone else notice the alien had 2 pips on his uniform?  Does that make him a lieutenant in Star Fleet's equivalent?


 

[James_Smith]

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All and all there was not enough info to make it all fit.  One thing I can say: it really, REALLY, reeks of 3rd season TOS nonsense and instead of anxiously awaiting the next season (like I was at the end of season 2) I have a summer of waiting to see if things are going to end up as stupid as they appear.

 

At least Season 3 of TOS had a couple of excuses for being bad (tiny budget and terminal network neglect). When the writing was good - "The Enterprise Incident" for example - the episode was brilliant. All of Enterprise's problems come down to the same thing - lazy writing.

[Clark Kent]

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I am going on the assumption that Archer is in the past because the whole scene had a WWII feel to it.

My guess is that WWII is messed up because Evil Aliens are messing with the poor, too-often abused, timeline.   Somehow this messed up our history such that by Enterprise's time the Earth still had not achieved space travel and even aviation has not progressed.  Maybe the Nazi's were not defeated in the 1940's and it's 200 years later and we're still fighting?

No doubt, it seems like they've messed with the timeline in this series already more than anyother trek series as far as I can tell.  Except, they're not satisfied with smaller, isolated incidents anymroe- they have to change the fabric of entire societies for their plots.  It has to be a time change.  For one, during WWII incredible advances in aviation alone.  If it hadn't been for hitler, there would have been jet fighters and bombers in service by 1943.  The allies were only a couple yeatrs behind, even though their jets were not nearly as good as the german ones.  Bollistic misdsile technology was born in WWII, despite the fact that they all but dissapeared for a decade or two after the war.  The atomic bomb was on the virge of being created by the US, Germans and Japanese in WWII, the US was just lucky to make it there first because of luc in break throughs or luck in other areas.  
There are other areas as well.  If WWII had continued on and on and on, eventually scientific progression would have ground to a halt, but it would still be much more advanced than what we think of as the arsenals back then.  Also, the germans, russians and japanese were losing people at far too high a rate to have lasted more than a few year more- I give it a max of 15, and that's pushing it.  Keep in mind, while the US lost 314,000 in WWII the casualties for Germany, russia and japan numbered in the millions- the russians losing tens of millions at that.  A war extended further than it was would have left the world in what we would consider a post apocolyptic society.  
My best guess is that future man tried to pull Archer away from the exploding sphere at the last minute and lost him to the past.  Then, he decided to send enterprise back after they left the xindi ship to retrieve him and fix yet another time problem.  
I understand the theory of suspension of disbelief, and I also understand you can only suspend it so far.  I'm sorry, but this is just terrible story writing, and a lousy plot device.  I remember a TOS episode where they supposedly went to the past and intercepted some dude who was some kind of alien for a spin off show.  It was one of the worst things I had ever seen.  This is worse.

CK

P.S.  I like latinas...
....And apparently Asian ladies as well...

[Rat_Boy]

This'll go down as the Trek equivalent of the Janet Jackson Super Bowl incident; there was quite a compelling showdown being waged between the Carolina Reptilians and the Federation Patriots, but everyone will forget about that and focus on one little incident that seemed to be a completely separate part.

[ActiveX]

Next thing you know, we'll see Voyager accidently hit Enterprise, with the SS Bounty as clean up hitter...all over the Golden Gate Bridge...

[Kortez]

My initial thoughts is the end represents no trip into the past, that we are seeing alien intervention in Earth's time line, that this involves the Suliban, which has not been resolved, and that Earth has been transformed into such a sorry state of affairs it can never evolve and help create the future that we have all come to know and enjoy.

Earth is a pretty important planet, and if it never develops into the warp-driven society of peace and exploration, someone is not going to be stopped.
 

[Sirgod]

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My initial thoughts is the end represents no trip into the past, that we are seeing alien intervention in Earth's time line, that this involves the Suliban, which has not been resolved, and that Earth has been transformed into such a sorry state of affairs it can never evolve and help create the future that we have all come to know and enjoy.

Earth is a pretty important planet, and if it never develops into the warp-driven society of peace and exploration, someone is not going to be stopped.
 

Very Interesting idea actually. Maybe Khan is still alive here in this Future??? Or Col. Green???

Stephen

[Captain Krenn]

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This'll go down as the Trek equivalent of the Janet Jackson Super Bowl incident; there was quite a compelling showdown being waged between the Carolina Reptilians and the Federation Patriots, but everyone will forget about that and focus on one little incident that seemed to be a completely separate part.  

Ack!  If Archer has a "wardrobe malfunction" I'm gonna hurl!!

Hoshi or T'Paul on the other hand...

 

[BortaS]

They had one chance to win back some of the fans they lost.    I was with them right up until the P-51's.  I just changed the channel and thought to myself that it's time to get off the crap wagon known as Enterprise.  

[Dash Jones]

Look at it in a positive light.  Now B&B can do what they've been doing to the trek timeline, but do it to the world's history!  Next thing we know, they'll have Mussolini leading tanks against Patton and winning, Hitler's forces taking St. Petersburg in the winter along with Moscow and everything up to Siberia before the Russians strike back, the Nazi's with ICBM's, and the American's barely winning because the Enterprise comes at the last moment and fires some point defense at the ICBM's launched by Hitler!

[Kortez]

Let's hold our judgment until we see next year's episodes to start the season.  I don't like the WW2 crap, but it is still possible it will be interesting.  I say they are NOT back in time or the helm would have noticed the star's being out of position.

We will see ...
 

[E_Look]

Ahhh, finally!  A calmer voice.  True to form, Kortez.  Not bad for a spy kid.

P.S.  I think in general, the show has recovered its entertainment value, many episodes ago.

[Khalee]

And lost it with this episode its just going to be more of the same time travel BS

[Harlax]

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Next thing you know, we'll see Voyager accidently hit Enterprise, with the SS Bounty as clean up hitter...all over the Golden Gate Bridge...  

Botany Bay?  Botany Bay!  Oh no, we've got to get out of here!  

[Death_Merchant]

Awwwww....

and I was a-gonna rant!

Akiraprise!
Continuity!
Gel-decom!
Klingon Homeworld is TOO CLOSE!
Deep space? Bah! We gots' subspace corridors galore!
Twisted timelines.... Frisky Vulcans....
and now EVIL NAZI ALIENS and P-51s strafing shuttlepods!
Ratta-tat ratta-tat!
 

DM stops to look at his dusty NCC-1701 model.....
...sniff...sniff... it's not real..... it's not gonna be real.....
 it's just a TV show.....
   

[ActiveX]

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Next thing you know, we'll see Voyager accidently hit Enterprise, with the SS Bounty as clean up hitter...all over the Golden Gate Bridge...  

Botany Bay?  Botany Bay!  Oh no, we've got to get out of here!    

Nah, Kahn never was in San Fran...that I know of...

but a cookie to whoever can tell me what the SS Bounty is...might have been HMS Bounty...dont recall exactly

[Daew Anahos]

As I said in the General Forum Thread, I liked the ending. (Ducks and dons flame proof suit) I always like stories messing with the time-line. Sliders was cool in that respect, each Earth was different in some way, little or big. I agree with the posts that tag this as an alternate time-line, not having traveled through time again. They did somewhat set this up in the very first show with the "Temporal Cold War" deal. How destroying the spheres and the weapon count towards the new history is tough to guess...I'm tuning in just to see how in the (bleep) they are going to explain all this.

Hopefully, it won't be the second Enterprise reset button episode.

One thing, if history was changed, it means we don't have to listen to those #*#&^@^%@% I'm loving it commericals anymore!


   

[Corbomite]

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but a cookie to whoever can tell me what the SS Bounty is...might have been HMS Bounty...dont recall exactly  

That was Captain Bligh's ship that Fletcher Christian and his buddies had their mutiny on -  and it was HMS.

[Kortez]

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And lost it with this episode its just going to be more of the same time travel BS  

Thanks, E_Look.  Khalee, I think one should remember they only tied up one of two time travel plots.  We have not seen the one with the Suliban resolve itself.   Perhaps we will now.  I hope they do it quickly, though, because I would rather see different plot items than time travel itself.  Still, since we don't know what is happening, shouldn't we wait to see?

 

[Rat_Boy]

I know I'm going to catch flack for this, but doesn't this remind anybody else of the Farscape finale?  It was almost exactly the same situation, a long storyline finally gets resolved and everything is starting to look up for the heroes, when all of a sudden a totally random event throws everything out of whack just before the episode ends.