Topic: Fire George Lucas that would be blasphemy

[Dash Jones]

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The one thing I thought was lacking in both movies was dramatic light saber duels.  They were over way too quick.   The one cool thing in the final movie is that it will be full of light saber duels.  And the final DUEL we all expect is touted as being the longest duel ever in a movie.  

The Darth Maul duel (especially the finale with Obi-Wan) was awesome. The Dooku duel was lame - I guess he was supposed to be too good for either Anakin or Obi-Wan to compete with. The Yoda bit was just silly, and the horrible writing only made it worse.  

And the most ironic thing...

The duel in the Original Star Wars was FAR more accurate of what sword fighting (at least from what I've learned in fencing these past few years) really is like...heck, Empire Strikes Back is more accurate (Wide strikes, and a few circles, but most of the moves don't have a 3/4 circular movement to them, which unless used for power, is suicide typically, and a lot of Obi Wan's moves would weren't for power...but were suicidal...Darth Maul had some moves, but moved better, and should have taken them both out in a matter of seconds looking at stance, movement, and sword attacks/defends).

It's amazing that Obi Wan, or one of the others in the TPM movie wasn't cut in half in their first circle swing when all the other bad guy had to do was extend their arm and cut them in half, or stab them through!

[Praxis]

Don't forget the force.

A Jedi can read the mind of an opponent, and know where he is going to strike before he actually strikes.  That is why the Jedi can lightsaber duel for such a long time- they know where every strike is going to hit, and thus, can block every strike, until they tire and slip up once, and in that moment they get stabbed through the chest.

[Praxis]

I do think the Jedi can be quite silly at times.

If I were Obi-wan or Qui-gon, when they were on the TradeFed ship at the start of TPM and the 3 shielded Droidekas attacked, I would have destroyed them.

How, you ask?  When they have shields and were firing so rapidly?

Force push.  Bam, they're all down.  Shields can't stop the Force, you know.  Just reach out with the force, find their computer core, and rip it out of it's sockets.

Fighting people?  Use the force to smash their brain flat.

Fighting an army with AT-AT's?  AT-ST's?  Use the Force to knock them over, then use the force to send the downed vehicles sliding into the armies around them.

Fighting a spaceship?  Mind trick the bridge crew to activate self destruct.  Or if the self destruct sequence is complicated, mind trick them to drop the shields to their docking bay (make them think fighters are exiting), then fire torpedoes inside.

[Stormbringer]

Or like the vulcans did thier most powerful TKs destroyed the welds in an enemies hull plating while it orbited thier planet.

[Sethan]

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As for TalonClaw's claim that the lightsaber duels needed to go on longer- those things take work and TREMENDOUS amounts of physical exertion. Those guys dance around for WEEKS to give you a five minuet fight scene. And you know that anything longer would be hard to believe. Swordfights (and I'm therefore assuming lightsaber fights) seldom last more than a few minutes... mostly they are measured in seconds. Even a really well-paired fencing duel is often over before you can really tell who scored a touch.  

I've seen one-on-one fights in the SCA last 15-20 minutes.  I've particpated in some that lasted 10.

[J. Carney]

Watched a lot of colligate matches when i was at University of Alabama (friend who took basic classes took me). Some went 5 mins or so. Most were over in 2 or 3. Plenty went in a lot less.

20 minutes... they probably had to drag those folks off the mat. They had to be exhausted.

[Ravok]

 If a Jedi used the Force to smash sombodys brain flat, They would be Sith not Jedi......  

[Stormbringer]

My WEG Starwars force user character played telekinetic people tennis all the time.  

[Ravok]

 I guess he was a Sedi ?  

[Stormbringer]

Well the rule books allowed for non sith force users that did not subscribe fully to the jedi code. An example is the witches of Endor (I think.) so we created a "grey order" who were not fully white nore wholy black. This predates ATOC by nearly a decade but it bears out becasue mace windu uses rage to channel his fighting power as an accepted if feared  jedi technique.  

[Tremok]

I have too much love in my heart for Star Wars to truely dislike any of it's movies. Though, I'm sad to say, George Lucas does appear to have his limits. He needs to rediscover whatever gave the magic to the original  trilogy (assuming he had anything to do with it at all. I can't say for sure.)

I have to agree with Praxis and say that the Star Wars microseries by Genndy Tartakovsky (creator of the amazing Samurai Jack) is awesome.  The action in it is stupendous. I can't wait for it to come out on DVD.  

[Elvis]

The problem is we are fans and I probably wouldn't go to far out on a limb to say that we grew up with the original trilogy and I think that somewhat clouds our vision. George Lucas had the chance to deliver another trilogy that would "shock and awe" us. He hasn't delivered, he hasn't even come close to meeting expectations; and  the new trilogy lacks any kind of impact. How many lines can you remeber from the first three films? Things like "Use the force Luke.", "May the force be with you." or "I am your father" all show an indication of some kind of influence those movies had on us. What comes from the second trilogy? The new trilogy also really lacks anything really inspirational that effects us. I really don't feel anything toward the characters, except for maybe pity. Are the characters really memorable or the battles all that climatic. No, not really, I loved the first Star Wars, saw it like 15 times during its run at the original Cine Capri in Phoenix, but the second series just lacks. As a final note as with LOTR I think the Academy is just waiting to give the last installment the notice the series deserves.  

 

[Rat_Boy]

In a similar vein, he is also releasing a special edition of his first film THX 1138 in the fall, complete with computer-generated images and edits.  Here's the trailer (Quicktime and a bit of bandwith required).

[J. Carney]

 How many lines can you remeber from the first three films? Things like "Use the force Luke.", "May the force be with you." or "I am your father"  



"Scoundrel, scoundrel... I like the sound of that."

Or one even better:

"No reward is worth this!"

[Ravok]

 Ah yes i for got about Vapad, Mace Windu is a force to be reckoned with. I wonder how he is going to be killed?  

[Stormbringer]

I would say either taken by stealth or while distracted, killed by something like a deadfall or explosion or betrayal by a trusted friend.

[Ravok]

 It would have to be some thing like that. From what im reading you cant even see him move when he gets going, He is so fast.  

[Stormbringer]

It is possible that a force deadening mechanism or creature could be used. Like the ysilamiri from the thrawn series.

[Tremok]

I hope not. I don't know if I can take another midichlorian like debacle.

Also. People, if your going to post spoilers then post spoiler warnings.    

[Stormbringer]

But I'm not because far as I know no one has seen the movie or a script. This was just speculation. We know or think he dies because of what was in the first trilogy about the jedi purge with just three or four jedi or sith apparently surviving. yoda, ben, darth, the emperor. Novels (questionable as to whether they were cannon or not) had a few others.