Topic: Fire George Lucas that would be blasphemy

[Praxis]

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As for TalonClaw's claim that the lightsaber duels needed to go on longer- those things take work and TREMENDOUS amounts of physical exertion. Those guys dance around for WEEKS to give you a five minuet fight scene. And you know that anything longer would be hard to believe. Swordfights (and I'm therefore assuming lightsaber fights) seldom last more than a few minutes... mostly they are measured in seconds. Even a really well-paired fencing duel is often over before you can really tell who scored a touch.  

I've seen one-on-one fights in the SCA last 15-20 minutes.  I've particpated in some that lasted 10.  

Yes, but notice how fast the Jedi fight?  The actors fight for MUCH longer, and it is played in fast-motion on the big screen.

[Corbomite]

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As for TalonClaw's claim that the lightsaber duels needed to go on longer- those things take work and TREMENDOUS amounts of physical exertion. Those guys dance around for WEEKS to give you a five minuet fight scene. And you know that anything longer would be hard to believe. Swordfights (and I'm therefore assuming lightsaber fights) seldom last more than a few minutes... mostly they are measured in seconds. Even a really well-paired fencing duel is often over before you can really tell who scored a touch.  

I've seen one-on-one fights in the SCA last 15-20 minutes.  I've particpated in some that lasted 10.  

Yes, but notice how fast the Jedi fight?  The actors fight for MUCH longer, and it is played in fast-motion on the big screen.  

I heard that Yoda does all his own stunt work.

[Dash Jones]

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As for TalonClaw's claim that the lightsaber duels needed to go on longer- those things take work and TREMENDOUS amounts of physical exertion. Those guys dance around for WEEKS to give you a five minuet fight scene. And you know that anything longer would be hard to believe. Swordfights (and I'm therefore assuming lightsaber fights) seldom last more than a few minutes... mostly they are measured in seconds. Even a really well-paired fencing duel is often over before you can really tell who scored a touch.  

I've seen one-on-one fights in the SCA last 15-20 minutes.  I've particpated in some that lasted 10.  

Yes, but notice how fast the Jedi fight?  The actors fight for MUCH longer, and it is played in fast-motion on the big screen.  

As I said...Fencing is real fighting (some will say that it's merely a touch, and to some degree that is true...however, it's where it touches...and in practice, when really doing this...it probably WILL leave bruises...so it has some strength to it...we're taught to stab through the object, even if with a blunt edge it will not.  Still, believe it or not, there are some that actually practice with real blades...rather dangerous and usually quite bloody if you ask me, where you hit in fencing typically is targetting for what could be considered the vitals for the type of weapon you are holding overall)...much of SCA is just people who have NO clue as too what they are doing...playing around...course 90% of the people in the Middle ages had less training when in battle Soooo...

I suppose it is rather realistic to that extent...and those more experienced of course WILL do better, and the artform of Western Battle arts does have SOME merit...of course that only applies to those in Europe I would imagine...

On the otherhand, I'd put a world class fencer against the SCA's best anyday...and in a fair fight...I'd bet on the fencer...100% of the time.

Problem with the starwars battles...their so obviously stage fighting...that it's obvious that a Jedi would be killed in less than a minute by someone who REALLY knew how to wield a weapon.

Perhaps that's why the battles are so short...the Jedi AND the Sith aren't really all that skilled (except when a sith fights a computer animated green elf fairie that looks so hilarious...I think most fencers would either fall down laughing and be killed, OR take a few steps into an empty area devoid of objects for the green jumper to jump off of) so obviously their battles can't be that long...

 

[Khalee]

Well wouldnt it.http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4980465/ and here I thought the last movie was allready out.  

[CFA_Admiral_Tige]

That is BS....you cant fire the creator from his creation

[Praxis]

Idiots.

Aren't these MSN people the same guy who had an article yesterday about how to "fire your boss"?

*sigh*

TPM might have had a bad storyline, but AOTC wasn't actually all that bad.  With the exception of bad acting on the part of Anakin and Padme.

[DreadlordGW]

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Idiots.

Aren't these MSN people the same guy who had an article yesterday about how to "fire your boss"?

*sigh*

TPM might have had a bad storyline, but AOTC wasn't actually all that bad.  With the exception of bad acting on the part of Anakin and Padme.  

Part of the fun WAS the bad acting.

[TalonClaw]

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Idiots.

Aren't these MSN people the same guy who had an article yesterday about how to "fire your boss"?

*sigh*

TPM might have had a bad storyline, but AOTC wasn't actually all that bad.  With the exception of bad acting on the part of Anakin and Padme.  

I didn't think TPM had a bad story line at all.  It clearly showed the beginings of Sidious manipulating the Republic to his eventual control.  The only thing bad about AOTC was the bad acting but at least that was entertaining.

Although goofy, I actually thought Jar Jar was entertaining and funny in TPM.  Way better than a bunch of teddie bears attacking storm troopers in episode 6.

I think the final movie of the first trilogy is going to be a blast and I can't wait.

[Praxis]

Well, I might have used the wrong words.

TPM was actually pretty good (in my opinion), but at some points got boring, which was frustrating.  It didn't have as much action as it should have, with the exception of a sudden (completely unexpected) and short lightsaber duel in the middle, and the normal "big ending battle".  Oh, and a race in the middle.  The actors at least weren't that bad, though Jar-Jar was a nightmare.

AOTC though...good action (not too much, but enough that it keeps you watching), good storyline.  The Anakin-Padme love scenes looked choreographed, though, lol.

[Dogmatix!]

The dialogue in AOTC was horrid and the "romance" between Padme and Annakin looked painfully contrived.  I know Natalie Portman is a very good actress and Hayden Christiansen is no slouch....so who is responsible for that increidbly horrid acting?


 

[Sirgod]

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The dialogue in AOTC was horrid and the "romance" between Padme and Annakin looked painfully contrived.  I know Natalie Portman is a very good actress and Hayden Christiansen is no slouch....so who is responsible for that increidbly horrid acting?


 

Her acting in The Professional was more Believable then In either of the SW movies IMHO.

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[Corbomite]

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....so who is responsible for that increidbly horrid acting?

Why the director of course, but you can't tell King George that I'm sure.  

To be fair, I thoguht Natalie did fairly well with some horrid lines. It sounded like a highschool play to me in parts.

[DH123]

Lucas can turn Sam Jackson into a bad actor.   That takes skill.

[Dogmatix!]

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....so who is responsible for that increidbly horrid acting?

Why the director of course, but you can't tell King George that I'm sure.  

To be fair, I thoguht Natalie did fairly well with some horrid lines. It sounded like a highschool play to me in parts.  

It almost seemed like Natalie cringed while saying some of her dialogue.  I think she did a fine job in both the latest SW flicks, it's just that she didn't have much to work with.  I agree with you...it did sound very high-school play-ish.  Ugh...


TPM wasn't as bad as AOTC in this particular department.  The way they portrayed the Gungans was a bit annoying and Jar-Jar was the biggest thing I wish wasn't in the movie, but other than that, I enjoyed it.  Paid to see it 9 times.  Only paid to see AOTC twice (once in theaters and once when I bought the DVD).

[Dogmatix!]

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Lucas can turn Sam Jackson into a bad actor.   That takes skill.  

Word.

[TalonClaw]

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Well, I might have used the wrong words.

TPM was actually pretty good (in my opinion), but at some points got boring, which was frustrating.  It didn't have as much action as it should have, with the exception of a sudden (completely unexpected) and short lightsaber duel in the middle, and the normal "big ending battle".  Oh, and a race in the middle.  The actors at least weren't that bad, though Jar-Jar was a nightmare.

AOTC though...good action (not too much, but enough that it keeps you watching), good storyline.  The Anakin-Padme love scenes looked choreographed, though, lol.  

The one thing I thought was lacking in both movies was dramatic light saber duels.  They were over way too quick.   The one cool thing in the final movie is that it will be full of light saber duels.  And the final DUEL we all expect is touted as being the longest duel ever in a movie.

[J. Carney]

The lightsaber duels were the ONLY redeeming features in the two movies, IMHO- either the acting is really bad, or my suspension of disbelief is truely begining to suffer from those two most terrible diseases... age and maturity. For some reason, Han Solo was a more believeable character than that cat they have playing Anikin is in REAL LIFE. I've met lots of free-wheeling scoundrels... I've never met a walking maniquin.

As for TalonClaw's claim that the lightsaber duels needed to go on longer- those things take work and TREMENDOUS amounts of physical exertion. Those guys dance around for WEEKS to give you a five minuet fight scene. And you know that anything longer would be hard to believe. Swordfights (and I'm therefore assuming lightsaber fights) seldom last more than a few minutes... mostly they are measured in seconds. Even a really well-paired fencing duel is often over before you can really tell who scored a touch.  

[762]

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The one thing I thought was lacking in both movies was dramatic light saber duels.  They were over way too quick.   The one cool thing in the final movie is that it will be full of light saber duels.  And the final DUEL we all expect is touted as being the longest duel ever in a movie.  

The Darth Maul duel (especially the finale with Obi-Wan) was awesome. The Dooku duel was lame - I guess he was supposed to be too good for either Anakin or Obi-Wan to compete with. The Yoda bit was just silly, and the horrible writing only made it worse.

[Praxis]

One thing's for sure, Ep3 is gonna have some awesome battles.

What will we have?

Anakin vs Obi-wan
Someone vs General Grevious
Someone vs Dooku

Someone is going to kill Mace Windu at some point, and most of the Jedi are going to die.  There will be a big opening battle, and the final battle of the clone wars, and the takeover of Emperor Palpatine.

Whoo!

BTW you guys really should watch the Clone Wars cartoons.  Grevious is AWESOME.

[Stormbringer]

remember in that millue fights are different because the force augments thier endurance, strength, agility, reactions, even allowing precognition, annd abeyance of phisics and physiology to a degree. Thier fights do not have to follow the normal course of a mundane sword duel. If it did it would be pretty boring.