Topic: Fire George Lucas that would be blasphemy (Read 11448 times)

Khalee · « **on:** May 20, 2004, 02:21:29 am »

Well wouldnt it.http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4980465/ and here I thought the last movie was allready out.

CFA_Admiral_Tige · « **Reply #1 on:** May 20, 2004, 06:48:57 am »

That is BS....you cant fire the creator from his creation

Praxis · « **Reply #2 on:** May 20, 2004, 09:34:06 am »

Idiots.

Aren't these MSN people the same guy who had an article yesterday about how to "fire your boss"?

*sigh*

TPM might have had a bad storyline, but AOTC wasn't actually all that bad. With the exception of bad acting on the part of Anakin and Padme.

DreadlordGW · « **Reply #3 on:** May 20, 2004, 10:05:00 am »

Quote:

Idiots.

Aren't these MSN people the same guy who had an article yesterday about how to "fire your boss"?

*sigh*

TPM might have had a bad storyline, but AOTC wasn't actually all that bad. With the exception of bad acting on the part of Anakin and Padme.

Part of the fun WAS the bad acting.

Praxis · « **Reply #5 on:** May 20, 2004, 01:13:10 pm »

Well, I might have used the wrong words.

TPM was actually pretty good (in my opinion), but at some points got boring, which was frustrating. It didn't have as much action as it should have, with the exception of a sudden (completely unexpected) and short lightsaber duel in the middle, and the normal "big ending battle". Oh, and a race in the middle. The actors at least weren't that bad, though Jar-Jar was a nightmare.

AOTC though...good action (not too much, but enough that it keeps you watching), good storyline. The Anakin-Padme love scenes looked choreographed, though, lol.

Dogmatix! · « **Reply #6 on:** May 20, 2004, 01:19:36 pm »

The dialogue in AOTC was horrid and the "romance" between Padme and Annakin looked painfully contrived. I know Natalie Portman is a very good actress and Hayden Christiansen is no slouch....so who is responsible for that increidbly horrid acting?

DH123 · « **Reply #9 on:** May 20, 2004, 03:37:36 pm »

Lucas can turn Sam Jackson into a bad actor. That takes skill.

J. Carney · « **Reply #13 on:** May 21, 2004, 12:11:48 pm »

The lightsaber duels were the ONLY redeeming features in the two movies, IMHO- either the acting is really bad, or my suspension of disbelief is truely begining to suffer from those two most terrible diseases... age and maturity. For some reason, Han Solo was a more believeable character than that cat they have playing Anikin is in REAL LIFE. I've met lots of free-wheeling scoundrels... I've never met a walking maniquin.

As for TalonClaw's claim that the lightsaber duels needed to go on longer- those things take work and TREMENDOUS amounts of physical exertion. Those guys dance around for WEEKS to give you a five minuet fight scene. And you know that anything longer would be hard to believe. Swordfights (and I'm therefore assuming lightsaber fights) seldom last more than a few minutes... mostly they are measured in seconds. Even a really well-paired fencing duel is often over before you can really tell who scored a touch.

Praxis · « **Reply #15 on:** May 21, 2004, 12:34:35 pm »

One thing's for sure, Ep3 is gonna have some awesome battles.

What will we have?

Anakin vs Obi-wan
Someone vs General Grevious
Someone vs Dooku

Someone is going to kill Mace Windu at some point, and most of the Jedi are going to die. There will be a big opening battle, and the final battle of the clone wars, and the takeover of Emperor Palpatine.

Whoo!

BTW you guys really should watch the Clone Wars cartoons. Grevious is AWESOME.

Stormbringer · « **Reply #16 on:** May 21, 2004, 12:34:59 pm »

remember in that millue fights are different because the force augments thier endurance, strength, agility, reactions, even allowing precognition, annd abeyance of phisics and physiology to a degree. Thier fights do not have to follow the normal course of a mundane sword duel. If it did it would be pretty boring.

Praxis · « **Reply #18 on:** May 21, 2004, 12:44:05 pm »

Don't forget the force.

A Jedi can read the mind of an opponent, and know where he is going to strike before he actually strikes. That is why the Jedi can lightsaber duel for such a long time- they know where every strike is going to hit, and thus, can block every strike, until they tire and slip up once, and in that moment they get stabbed through the chest.

Praxis · « **Reply #19 on:** May 21, 2004, 12:51:03 pm »

I do think the Jedi can be quite silly at times.

If I were Obi-wan or Qui-gon, when they were on the TradeFed ship at the start of TPM and the 3 shielded Droidekas attacked, I would have destroyed them.

How, you ask? When they have shields and were firing so rapidly?

Force push. Bam, they're all down. Shields can't stop the Force, you know. Just reach out with the force, find their computer core, and rip it out of it's sockets.

Fighting people? Use the force to smash their brain flat.

Fighting an army with AT-AT's? AT-ST's? Use the Force to knock them over, then use the force to send the downed vehicles sliding into the armies around them.

Fighting a spaceship? Mind trick the bridge crew to activate self destruct. Or if the self destruct sequence is complicated, mind trick them to drop the shields to their docking bay (make them think fighters are exiting), then fire torpedoes inside.

Stormbringer · « **Reply #20 on:** May 21, 2004, 12:54:16 pm »

Or like the vulcans did thier most powerful TKs destroyed the welds in an enemies hull plating while it orbited thier planet.

J. Carney · « **Reply #22 on:** May 21, 2004, 01:43:59 pm »

Watched a lot of colligate matches when i was at University of Alabama (friend who took basic classes took me). Some went 5 mins or so. Most were over in 2 or 3. Plenty went in a lot less.

20 minutes... they probably had to drag those folks off the mat. They had to be exhausted.

Ravok · « **Reply #23 on:** May 21, 2004, 01:52:16 pm »

If a Jedi used the Force to smash sombodys brain flat, They would be Sith not Jedi......

Stormbringer · « **Reply #24 on:** May 21, 2004, 02:06:44 pm »

My WEG Starwars force user character played telekinetic people tennis all the time.

Ravok · « **Reply #25 on:** May 21, 2004, 02:14:11 pm »

I guess he was a Sedi ?

Stormbringer · « **Reply #26 on:** May 21, 2004, 02:32:17 pm »

Well the rule books allowed for non sith force users that did not subscribe fully to the jedi code. An example is the witches of Endor (I think.) so we created a "grey order" who were not fully white nore wholy black. This predates ATOC by nearly a decade but it bears out becasue mace windu uses rage to channel his fighting power as an accepted if feared jedi technique.

Tremok · « **Reply #27 on:** May 21, 2004, 03:20:26 pm »

I have too much love in my heart for Star Wars to truely dislike any of it's movies. Though, I'm sad to say, George Lucas does appear to have his limits. He needs to rediscover whatever gave the magic to the original trilogy (assuming he had anything to do with it at all. I can't say for sure.)

I have to agree with Praxis and say that the Star Wars microseries by Genndy Tartakovsky (creator of the amazing Samurai Jack) is awesome. The action in it is stupendous. I can't wait for it to come out on DVD.

Elvis · « **Reply #28 on:** May 21, 2004, 09:55:45 pm »

The problem is we are fans and I probably wouldn't go to far out on a limb to say that we grew up with the original trilogy and I think that somewhat clouds our vision. George Lucas had the chance to deliver another trilogy that would "shock and awe" us. He hasn't delivered, he hasn't even come close to meeting expectations; and the new trilogy lacks any kind of impact. How many lines can you remeber from the first three films? Things like "Use the force Luke.", "May the force be with you." or "I am your father" all show an indication of some kind of influence those movies had on us. What comes from the second trilogy? The new trilogy also really lacks anything really inspirational that effects us. I really don't feel anything toward the characters, except for maybe pity. Are the characters really memorable or the battles all that climatic. No, not really, I loved the first Star Wars, saw it like 15 times during its run at the original Cine Capri in Phoenix, but the second series just lacks. As a final note as with LOTR I think the Academy is just waiting to give the last installment the notice the series deserves.

Rat_Boy · « **Reply #29 on:** May 21, 2004, 10:08:02 pm »

In a similar vein, he is also releasing a special edition of his first film THX 1138 in the fall, complete with computer-generated images and edits. Here's the trailer (Quicktime and a bit of bandwith required).

J. Carney · « **Reply #30 on:** May 21, 2004, 10:36:52 pm »

How many lines can you remeber from the first three films? Things like "Use the force Luke.", "May the force be with you." or "I am your father"

"Scoundrel, scoundrel... I like the sound of that."

Or one even better:

"No reward is worth this!"

Ravok · « **Reply #31 on:** May 21, 2004, 11:37:03 pm »

Ah yes i for got about Vapad, Mace Windu is a force to be reckoned with. I wonder how he is going to be killed?

Stormbringer · « **Reply #32 on:** May 21, 2004, 11:41:15 pm »

I would say either taken by stealth or while distracted, killed by something like a deadfall or explosion or betrayal by a trusted friend.

Ravok · « **Reply #33 on:** May 21, 2004, 11:51:21 pm »

It would have to be some thing like that. From what im reading you cant even see him move when he gets going, He is so fast.

Stormbringer · « **Reply #34 on:** May 21, 2004, 11:56:26 pm »

It is possible that a force deadening mechanism or creature could be used. Like the ysilamiri from the thrawn series.

Tremok · « **Reply #35 on:** May 22, 2004, 12:52:54 am »

I hope not. I don't know if I can take another midichlorian like debacle.

Also. People, if your going to post spoilers then post spoiler warnings.

Stormbringer · « **Reply #36 on:** May 22, 2004, 12:59:22 am »

But I'm not because far as I know no one has seen the movie or a script. This was just speculation. We know or think he dies because of what was in the first trilogy about the jedi purge with just three or four jedi or sith apparently surviving. yoda, ben, darth, the emperor. Novels (questionable as to whether they were cannon or not) had a few others.

Stormbringer · « **Reply #37 on:** May 22, 2004, 01:12:17 am »

Yep the midicalorians sucked some of the life out of the mythos. The ysilamiri did not at least not to an appreciable degree. And with force crystals used to make sabers that interact with the force it would be logical that a dampening field could be engineered. The technology could be lost with the jedi purge and holocrons.

Tremok · « **Reply #38 on:** May 22, 2004, 01:52:08 am »

Praxis did not seem to post his information in tones of speculation to me. I assumed he got his data form the Star Wars insider thing or from a website or person who has it. Regardless, I just ask that we be careful.... I cannot count how many times my supsense was damaged to some degree by persons who posted spoilers without spoiler warnings. It has become somewhat of a pet peeve of mine.

This page helps me deal with midicalorians. Lucas kept it all vague enough that I could tolerate it, though I still don't like it. I have a bigger problem with force machines/dampeners. They just don't sit well with me. That machines or animals could deny or manipulate the force, it's will, it's influence... I just don't like it.

As for lightsabers... I always thought they were ordinary devices that only a Jedi could effectively wield.

Stormbringer · « **Reply #39 on:** May 22, 2004, 09:36:23 am »

A jedi can only build a saber upon reaching a certain level of attainment with the force and is not considered a jedi unti he or she does so. The crystals used are force sensitive. This is all just semi-cannon from novels and from WEG which is a primary research source for nearly all the novel writers.

Khalee · « **Reply #43 on:** May 20, 2004, 02:21:29 am »

Well wouldnt it.http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4980465/ and here I thought the last movie was allready out.

CFA_Admiral_Tige · « **Reply #44 on:** May 20, 2004, 06:48:57 am »

That is BS....you cant fire the creator from his creation

Praxis · « **Reply #45 on:** May 20, 2004, 09:34:06 am »

Idiots.

Aren't these MSN people the same guy who had an article yesterday about how to "fire your boss"?

*sigh*

TPM might have had a bad storyline, but AOTC wasn't actually all that bad. With the exception of bad acting on the part of Anakin and Padme.

Praxis · « **Reply #48 on:** May 20, 2004, 01:13:10 pm »

Well, I might have used the wrong words.

TPM was actually pretty good (in my opinion), but at some points got boring, which was frustrating. It didn't have as much action as it should have, with the exception of a sudden (completely unexpected) and short lightsaber duel in the middle, and the normal "big ending battle". Oh, and a race in the middle. The actors at least weren't that bad, though Jar-Jar was a nightmare.

AOTC though...good action (not too much, but enough that it keeps you watching), good storyline. The Anakin-Padme love scenes looked choreographed, though, lol.

Dogmatix! · « **Reply #49 on:** May 20, 2004, 01:19:36 pm »

The dialogue in AOTC was horrid and the "romance" between Padme and Annakin looked painfully contrived. I know Natalie Portman is a very good actress and Hayden Christiansen is no slouch....so who is responsible for that increidbly horrid acting?

DH123 · « **Reply #52 on:** May 20, 2004, 03:37:36 pm »

Lucas can turn Sam Jackson into a bad actor. That takes skill.

J. Carney · « **Reply #56 on:** May 21, 2004, 12:11:48 pm »

The lightsaber duels were the ONLY redeeming features in the two movies, IMHO- either the acting is really bad, or my suspension of disbelief is truely begining to suffer from those two most terrible diseases... age and maturity. For some reason, Han Solo was a more believeable character than that cat they have playing Anikin is in REAL LIFE. I've met lots of free-wheeling scoundrels... I've never met a walking maniquin.

As for TalonClaw's claim that the lightsaber duels needed to go on longer- those things take work and TREMENDOUS amounts of physical exertion. Those guys dance around for WEEKS to give you a five minuet fight scene. And you know that anything longer would be hard to believe. Swordfights (and I'm therefore assuming lightsaber fights) seldom last more than a few minutes... mostly they are measured in seconds. Even a really well-paired fencing duel is often over before you can really tell who scored a touch.

Praxis · « **Reply #58 on:** May 21, 2004, 12:34:35 pm »

One thing's for sure, Ep3 is gonna have some awesome battles.

What will we have?

Anakin vs Obi-wan
Someone vs General Grevious
Someone vs Dooku

Someone is going to kill Mace Windu at some point, and most of the Jedi are going to die. There will be a big opening battle, and the final battle of the clone wars, and the takeover of Emperor Palpatine.

Whoo!

BTW you guys really should watch the Clone Wars cartoons. Grevious is AWESOME.

Stormbringer · « **Reply #59 on:** May 21, 2004, 12:34:59 pm »

remember in that millue fights are different because the force augments thier endurance, strength, agility, reactions, even allowing precognition, annd abeyance of phisics and physiology to a degree. Thier fights do not have to follow the normal course of a mundane sword duel. If it did it would be pretty boring.

Praxis · « **Reply #61 on:** May 21, 2004, 12:44:05 pm »

Don't forget the force.

A Jedi can read the mind of an opponent, and know where he is going to strike before he actually strikes. That is why the Jedi can lightsaber duel for such a long time- they know where every strike is going to hit, and thus, can block every strike, until they tire and slip up once, and in that moment they get stabbed through the chest.

Praxis · « **Reply #62 on:** May 21, 2004, 12:51:03 pm »

I do think the Jedi can be quite silly at times.

If I were Obi-wan or Qui-gon, when they were on the TradeFed ship at the start of TPM and the 3 shielded Droidekas attacked, I would have destroyed them.

How, you ask? When they have shields and were firing so rapidly?

Force push. Bam, they're all down. Shields can't stop the Force, you know. Just reach out with the force, find their computer core, and rip it out of it's sockets.

Fighting people? Use the force to smash their brain flat.

Fighting an army with AT-AT's? AT-ST's? Use the Force to knock them over, then use the force to send the downed vehicles sliding into the armies around them.

Fighting a spaceship? Mind trick the bridge crew to activate self destruct. Or if the self destruct sequence is complicated, mind trick them to drop the shields to their docking bay (make them think fighters are exiting), then fire torpedoes inside.

Stormbringer · « **Reply #63 on:** May 21, 2004, 12:54:16 pm »

Or like the vulcans did thier most powerful TKs destroyed the welds in an enemies hull plating while it orbited thier planet.

J. Carney · « **Reply #65 on:** May 21, 2004, 01:43:59 pm »

Watched a lot of colligate matches when i was at University of Alabama (friend who took basic classes took me). Some went 5 mins or so. Most were over in 2 or 3. Plenty went in a lot less.

20 minutes... they probably had to drag those folks off the mat. They had to be exhausted.

Ravok · « **Reply #66 on:** May 21, 2004, 01:52:16 pm »

If a Jedi used the Force to smash sombodys brain flat, They would be Sith not Jedi......

Stormbringer · « **Reply #67 on:** May 21, 2004, 02:06:44 pm »

My WEG Starwars force user character played telekinetic people tennis all the time.

Ravok · « **Reply #68 on:** May 21, 2004, 02:14:11 pm »

I guess he was a Sedi ?

Stormbringer · « **Reply #69 on:** May 21, 2004, 02:32:17 pm »

Well the rule books allowed for non sith force users that did not subscribe fully to the jedi code. An example is the witches of Endor (I think.) so we created a "grey order" who were not fully white nore wholy black. This predates ATOC by nearly a decade but it bears out becasue mace windu uses rage to channel his fighting power as an accepted if feared jedi technique.

Tremok · « **Reply #70 on:** May 21, 2004, 03:20:26 pm »

I have too much love in my heart for Star Wars to truely dislike any of it's movies. Though, I'm sad to say, George Lucas does appear to have his limits. He needs to rediscover whatever gave the magic to the original trilogy (assuming he had anything to do with it at all. I can't say for sure.)

I have to agree with Praxis and say that the Star Wars microseries by Genndy Tartakovsky (creator of the amazing Samurai Jack) is awesome. The action in it is stupendous. I can't wait for it to come out on DVD.

Elvis · « **Reply #71 on:** May 21, 2004, 09:55:45 pm »

The problem is we are fans and I probably wouldn't go to far out on a limb to say that we grew up with the original trilogy and I think that somewhat clouds our vision. George Lucas had the chance to deliver another trilogy that would "shock and awe" us. He hasn't delivered, he hasn't even come close to meeting expectations; and the new trilogy lacks any kind of impact. How many lines can you remeber from the first three films? Things like "Use the force Luke.", "May the force be with you." or "I am your father" all show an indication of some kind of influence those movies had on us. What comes from the second trilogy? The new trilogy also really lacks anything really inspirational that effects us. I really don't feel anything toward the characters, except for maybe pity. Are the characters really memorable or the battles all that climatic. No, not really, I loved the first Star Wars, saw it like 15 times during its run at the original Cine Capri in Phoenix, but the second series just lacks. As a final note as with LOTR I think the Academy is just waiting to give the last installment the notice the series deserves.

Rat_Boy · « **Reply #72 on:** May 21, 2004, 10:08:02 pm »

In a similar vein, he is also releasing a special edition of his first film THX 1138 in the fall, complete with computer-generated images and edits. Here's the trailer (Quicktime and a bit of bandwith required).

J. Carney · « **Reply #73 on:** May 21, 2004, 10:36:52 pm »

How many lines can you remeber from the first three films? Things like "Use the force Luke.", "May the force be with you." or "I am your father"

"Scoundrel, scoundrel... I like the sound of that."

Or one even better:

"No reward is worth this!"

Ravok · « **Reply #74 on:** May 21, 2004, 11:37:03 pm »

Ah yes i for got about Vapad, Mace Windu is a force to be reckoned with. I wonder how he is going to be killed?

Stormbringer · « **Reply #75 on:** May 21, 2004, 11:41:15 pm »

I would say either taken by stealth or while distracted, killed by something like a deadfall or explosion or betrayal by a trusted friend.

Ravok · « **Reply #76 on:** May 21, 2004, 11:51:21 pm »

It would have to be some thing like that. From what im reading you cant even see him move when he gets going, He is so fast.

Stormbringer · « **Reply #77 on:** May 21, 2004, 11:56:26 pm »

It is possible that a force deadening mechanism or creature could be used. Like the ysilamiri from the thrawn series.

Tremok · « **Reply #78 on:** May 22, 2004, 12:52:54 am »

I hope not. I don't know if I can take another midichlorian like debacle.

Also. People, if your going to post spoilers then post spoiler warnings.

Stormbringer · « **Reply #79 on:** May 22, 2004, 12:59:22 am »

But I'm not because far as I know no one has seen the movie or a script. This was just speculation. We know or think he dies because of what was in the first trilogy about the jedi purge with just three or four jedi or sith apparently surviving. yoda, ben, darth, the emperor. Novels (questionable as to whether they were cannon or not) had a few others.

Stormbringer · « **Reply #80 on:** May 22, 2004, 01:12:17 am »

Yep the midicalorians sucked some of the life out of the mythos. The ysilamiri did not at least not to an appreciable degree. And with force crystals used to make sabers that interact with the force it would be logical that a dampening field could be engineered. The technology could be lost with the jedi purge and holocrons.

Tremok · « **Reply #81 on:** May 22, 2004, 01:52:08 am »

Praxis did not seem to post his information in tones of speculation to me. I assumed he got his data form the Star Wars insider thing or from a website or person who has it. Regardless, I just ask that we be careful.... I cannot count how many times my supsense was damaged to some degree by persons who posted spoilers without spoiler warnings. It has become somewhat of a pet peeve of mine.

This page helps me deal with midicalorians. Lucas kept it all vague enough that I could tolerate it, though I still don't like it. I have a bigger problem with force machines/dampeners. They just don't sit well with me. That machines or animals could deny or manipulate the force, it's will, it's influence... I just don't like it.

As for lightsabers... I always thought they were ordinary devices that only a Jedi could effectively wield.

Stormbringer · « **Reply #82 on:** May 22, 2004, 09:36:23 am »

A jedi can only build a saber upon reaching a certain level of attainment with the force and is not considered a jedi unti he or she does so. The crystals used are force sensitive. This is all just semi-cannon from novels and from WEG which is a primary research source for nearly all the novel writers.

Khalee · « **Reply #86 on:** May 20, 2004, 02:21:29 am »

Well wouldnt it.http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4980465/ and here I thought the last movie was allready out.

CFA_Admiral_Tige · « **Reply #87 on:** May 20, 2004, 06:48:57 am »

That is BS....you cant fire the creator from his creation

Praxis · « **Reply #88 on:** May 20, 2004, 09:34:06 am »

Idiots.

Aren't these MSN people the same guy who had an article yesterday about how to "fire your boss"?

*sigh*

TPM might have had a bad storyline, but AOTC wasn't actually all that bad. With the exception of bad acting on the part of Anakin and Padme.

Praxis · « **Reply #91 on:** May 20, 2004, 01:13:10 pm »

Well, I might have used the wrong words.

TPM was actually pretty good (in my opinion), but at some points got boring, which was frustrating. It didn't have as much action as it should have, with the exception of a sudden (completely unexpected) and short lightsaber duel in the middle, and the normal "big ending battle". Oh, and a race in the middle. The actors at least weren't that bad, though Jar-Jar was a nightmare.

AOTC though...good action (not too much, but enough that it keeps you watching), good storyline. The Anakin-Padme love scenes looked choreographed, though, lol.

Dogmatix! · « **Reply #92 on:** May 20, 2004, 01:19:36 pm »

The dialogue in AOTC was horrid and the "romance" between Padme and Annakin looked painfully contrived. I know Natalie Portman is a very good actress and Hayden Christiansen is no slouch....so who is responsible for that increidbly horrid acting?

DH123 · « **Reply #95 on:** May 20, 2004, 03:37:36 pm »

Lucas can turn Sam Jackson into a bad actor. That takes skill.

J. Carney · « **Reply #99 on:** May 21, 2004, 12:11:48 pm »

The lightsaber duels were the ONLY redeeming features in the two movies, IMHO- either the acting is really bad, or my suspension of disbelief is truely begining to suffer from those two most terrible diseases... age and maturity. For some reason, Han Solo was a more believeable character than that cat they have playing Anikin is in REAL LIFE. I've met lots of free-wheeling scoundrels... I've never met a walking maniquin.

As for TalonClaw's claim that the lightsaber duels needed to go on longer- those things take work and TREMENDOUS amounts of physical exertion. Those guys dance around for WEEKS to give you a five minuet fight scene. And you know that anything longer would be hard to believe. Swordfights (and I'm therefore assuming lightsaber fights) seldom last more than a few minutes... mostly they are measured in seconds. Even a really well-paired fencing duel is often over before you can really tell who scored a touch.

Praxis · « **Reply #101 on:** May 21, 2004, 12:34:35 pm »

One thing's for sure, Ep3 is gonna have some awesome battles.

What will we have?

Anakin vs Obi-wan
Someone vs General Grevious
Someone vs Dooku

Someone is going to kill Mace Windu at some point, and most of the Jedi are going to die. There will be a big opening battle, and the final battle of the clone wars, and the takeover of Emperor Palpatine.

Whoo!

BTW you guys really should watch the Clone Wars cartoons. Grevious is AWESOME.

Stormbringer · « **Reply #102 on:** May 21, 2004, 12:34:59 pm »

remember in that millue fights are different because the force augments thier endurance, strength, agility, reactions, even allowing precognition, annd abeyance of phisics and physiology to a degree. Thier fights do not have to follow the normal course of a mundane sword duel. If it did it would be pretty boring.

Praxis · « **Reply #104 on:** May 21, 2004, 12:44:05 pm »

Don't forget the force.

A Jedi can read the mind of an opponent, and know where he is going to strike before he actually strikes. That is why the Jedi can lightsaber duel for such a long time- they know where every strike is going to hit, and thus, can block every strike, until they tire and slip up once, and in that moment they get stabbed through the chest.

Praxis · « **Reply #105 on:** May 21, 2004, 12:51:03 pm »

I do think the Jedi can be quite silly at times.

If I were Obi-wan or Qui-gon, when they were on the TradeFed ship at the start of TPM and the 3 shielded Droidekas attacked, I would have destroyed them.

How, you ask? When they have shields and were firing so rapidly?

Force push. Bam, they're all down. Shields can't stop the Force, you know. Just reach out with the force, find their computer core, and rip it out of it's sockets.

Fighting people? Use the force to smash their brain flat.

Fighting an army with AT-AT's? AT-ST's? Use the Force to knock them over, then use the force to send the downed vehicles sliding into the armies around them.

Fighting a spaceship? Mind trick the bridge crew to activate self destruct. Or if the self destruct sequence is complicated, mind trick them to drop the shields to their docking bay (make them think fighters are exiting), then fire torpedoes inside.

Stormbringer · « **Reply #106 on:** May 21, 2004, 12:54:16 pm »

Or like the vulcans did thier most powerful TKs destroyed the welds in an enemies hull plating while it orbited thier planet.

J. Carney · « **Reply #108 on:** May 21, 2004, 01:43:59 pm »

Watched a lot of colligate matches when i was at University of Alabama (friend who took basic classes took me). Some went 5 mins or so. Most were over in 2 or 3. Plenty went in a lot less.

20 minutes... they probably had to drag those folks off the mat. They had to be exhausted.

Ravok · « **Reply #109 on:** May 21, 2004, 01:52:16 pm »

If a Jedi used the Force to smash sombodys brain flat, They would be Sith not Jedi......

Stormbringer · « **Reply #110 on:** May 21, 2004, 02:06:44 pm »

My WEG Starwars force user character played telekinetic people tennis all the time.

Ravok · « **Reply #111 on:** May 21, 2004, 02:14:11 pm »

I guess he was a Sedi ?

Stormbringer · « **Reply #112 on:** May 21, 2004, 02:32:17 pm »

Well the rule books allowed for non sith force users that did not subscribe fully to the jedi code. An example is the witches of Endor (I think.) so we created a "grey order" who were not fully white nore wholy black. This predates ATOC by nearly a decade but it bears out becasue mace windu uses rage to channel his fighting power as an accepted if feared jedi technique.

Tremok · « **Reply #113 on:** May 21, 2004, 03:20:26 pm »

I have too much love in my heart for Star Wars to truely dislike any of it's movies. Though, I'm sad to say, George Lucas does appear to have his limits. He needs to rediscover whatever gave the magic to the original trilogy (assuming he had anything to do with it at all. I can't say for sure.)

I have to agree with Praxis and say that the Star Wars microseries by Genndy Tartakovsky (creator of the amazing Samurai Jack) is awesome. The action in it is stupendous. I can't wait for it to come out on DVD.

Elvis · « **Reply #114 on:** May 21, 2004, 09:55:45 pm »

The problem is we are fans and I probably wouldn't go to far out on a limb to say that we grew up with the original trilogy and I think that somewhat clouds our vision. George Lucas had the chance to deliver another trilogy that would "shock and awe" us. He hasn't delivered, he hasn't even come close to meeting expectations; and the new trilogy lacks any kind of impact. How many lines can you remeber from the first three films? Things like "Use the force Luke.", "May the force be with you." or "I am your father" all show an indication of some kind of influence those movies had on us. What comes from the second trilogy? The new trilogy also really lacks anything really inspirational that effects us. I really don't feel anything toward the characters, except for maybe pity. Are the characters really memorable or the battles all that climatic. No, not really, I loved the first Star Wars, saw it like 15 times during its run at the original Cine Capri in Phoenix, but the second series just lacks. As a final note as with LOTR I think the Academy is just waiting to give the last installment the notice the series deserves.

Rat_Boy · « **Reply #115 on:** May 21, 2004, 10:08:02 pm »

In a similar vein, he is also releasing a special edition of his first film THX 1138 in the fall, complete with computer-generated images and edits. Here's the trailer (Quicktime and a bit of bandwith required).

J. Carney · « **Reply #116 on:** May 21, 2004, 10:36:52 pm »

How many lines can you remeber from the first three films? Things like "Use the force Luke.", "May the force be with you." or "I am your father"

"Scoundrel, scoundrel... I like the sound of that."

Or one even better:

"No reward is worth this!"

Ravok · « **Reply #117 on:** May 21, 2004, 11:37:03 pm »

Ah yes i for got about Vapad, Mace Windu is a force to be reckoned with. I wonder how he is going to be killed?

Stormbringer · « **Reply #118 on:** May 21, 2004, 11:41:15 pm »

I would say either taken by stealth or while distracted, killed by something like a deadfall or explosion or betrayal by a trusted friend.

Ravok · « **Reply #119 on:** May 21, 2004, 11:51:21 pm »

It would have to be some thing like that. From what im reading you cant even see him move when he gets going, He is so fast.

Stormbringer · « **Reply #120 on:** May 21, 2004, 11:56:26 pm »

It is possible that a force deadening mechanism or creature could be used. Like the ysilamiri from the thrawn series.

Tremok · « **Reply #121 on:** May 22, 2004, 12:52:54 am »

I hope not. I don't know if I can take another midichlorian like debacle.

Also. People, if your going to post spoilers then post spoiler warnings.

Stormbringer · « **Reply #122 on:** May 22, 2004, 12:59:22 am »

But I'm not because far as I know no one has seen the movie or a script. This was just speculation. We know or think he dies because of what was in the first trilogy about the jedi purge with just three or four jedi or sith apparently surviving. yoda, ben, darth, the emperor. Novels (questionable as to whether they were cannon or not) had a few others.

Stormbringer · « **Reply #123 on:** May 22, 2004, 01:12:17 am »

Yep the midicalorians sucked some of the life out of the mythos. The ysilamiri did not at least not to an appreciable degree. And with force crystals used to make sabers that interact with the force it would be logical that a dampening field could be engineered. The technology could be lost with the jedi purge and holocrons.

Tremok · « **Reply #124 on:** May 22, 2004, 01:52:08 am »

Praxis did not seem to post his information in tones of speculation to me. I assumed he got his data form the Star Wars insider thing or from a website or person who has it. Regardless, I just ask that we be careful.... I cannot count how many times my supsense was damaged to some degree by persons who posted spoilers without spoiler warnings. It has become somewhat of a pet peeve of mine.

This page helps me deal with midicalorians. Lucas kept it all vague enough that I could tolerate it, though I still don't like it. I have a bigger problem with force machines/dampeners. They just don't sit well with me. That machines or animals could deny or manipulate the force, it's will, it's influence... I just don't like it.

As for lightsabers... I always thought they were ordinary devices that only a Jedi could effectively wield.

Stormbringer · « **Reply #125 on:** May 22, 2004, 09:36:23 am »

A jedi can only build a saber upon reaching a certain level of attainment with the force and is not considered a jedi unti he or she does so. The crystals used are force sensitive. This is all just semi-cannon from novels and from WEG which is a primary research source for nearly all the novel writers.

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