Topic: I want your reactions to this... (Read 3173 times)

Kaenyne · « **on:** May 14, 2004, 03:28:23 pm »

From TrekWatcher:

5/14/04

Coming Fall 2005?

STAR TREK: UNIFICATION

Long time Star Trek Executive Producer Rick Berman, just prior to taking a less prominent role in the Star Trek franchise, dropped a bombshell this afternoon via his weekly teleconference. Plans are underway for a new Star Trek series, this incarnation under the moniker ?Unification?.

With one series midway through its projected run and hints of another film in the works, Berman explains his reasoning behind the announcement.

BERMAN: ?We (Brannon Braga) have been bouncing ideas back and forth about where the Trek story should for a year or so. It occurred to us that a good amount of the recent content had a sense of the ?recycled?. Fans have been antsy about our current direction. It then hit upon us that what we had in front of us was a creative glut. We could go back again, way back to the beginning or a prequel direction. But then it was like painting ourselves into a corner. How to keep it solid and not step on the rich mythology that is Star Trek was the issue truly at hand. The fans simply deserve to know they are being listened to and we have learned from it.?

?So we went, pardon the phrase, where we hadn?t gone before?beyond the limits of warp speed, the limits of the Federation and the limits of what we thought of and defined as a Starship.?

?We took a long look at Gene?s [Roddenberry?s] vision, the Starship as a living community, a vessel with a task to explore, discover and all those other things that made Star Trek Star Trek. He did that twice, back in the 60s and again in the 80s. When you think about it, The Next Generation is what the man would have done if not for the social and technological limitations in which the first series was born. We took the Roddenberry philosophy and pushed it to the extreme.?

TREKWATCHER: And what does this mean for Star Trek fans? What can we look forward to in a year?

(In a rare moment, Berman gives us a glimpse into the 26th Century):

BERMAN: ?The premise for ?Unification? is borrowed from that Next Generation episode in which Spock is attempting to bring his Romulan brethren back into the fold. We took that little bit of lore and spun that idea into more of an intergalactic-scale scenario. Like Gene wanted in his last show, not to go back to the old stand-bys, but to move forward and expand literally and figuratively into new territories. From that we got the Q, Ferengi and a host of other new beings and places. Later, when he brought back some old favorites, it was done in a secondary fashion. The new guys got center stage. That?s what we?re doing again. It?s an evolution of the galaxy as a whole.?

TREKWATCHER: What is does this ?evolution? entail?

BERMAN: ?Gone are the old conflicts. Forget the Neutral Zones, Treaty of Algeron, and all that other stuff. It?s over. In fact, our story for the first episode deals with this transition. It?s out with the old and in with the new. Suddenly, the galaxy becomes at once at lot bigger and so much smaller. Our central theme explores what this new openness means to our characters. We did something like this with Voyager, but only skimmed the surface. This new century brings on a true Renaissance. The mission to explore strange new worlds is really gonna hit home.?

TREKWATCHER: So the big question is, will there be a Starship Enterprise?

BERMAN: ?Oh yes, there will be an Enterprise. And, in keeping with our ideas and Gene?s, she?ll be a true community in space. The guys in the art department have outdone themselves coming up with the ship that looks like the vision of the show. When you see her for the first time, you won?t have look for a nameplate to know who she is. This Enterprise is going to knock your socks off.?

(Berman lets one more teaser through):

BERMAN: ?And she?s REALLY fast.?

OPINIONS?

WHAT DO YOU LIKE ABOUT THIS IDEA? WHAT DON'T YOU LIKE?

E_Look · « **Reply #1 on:** May 14, 2004, 03:36:43 pm »

Super!

But I still hope they continue Enterprise along with this!

Sandman3D · « **Reply #2 on:** May 14, 2004, 03:43:08 pm »

Sounds great!.........On paper. Enterprise was supposed to be the next great thing, and from a Trekkers' (hate the term"Trekkie"

) point of view, they dropped the ball. But, I have to admit, I can't wait to see the ship!

Smiley · « **Reply #3 on:** May 14, 2004, 04:20:33 pm »

Wohoo! We're going forwards again!

MarianoDT · « **Reply #4 on:** May 14, 2004, 04:22:54 pm »

Quote:

BERMAN: ?And she?s REALLY fast.?

Wow, SlipStream Maybe?

Anyways, it is very good news indeed. I can´t wait.

Mariano

Qob'nuH · « **Reply #5 on:** May 14, 2004, 04:33:20 pm »

As long as this time they hire somebody who actually knows something about Star Trek and has at least a sense of the word,"continuity". (a loose word in Star Trek, but a necessary one.) They need to draw upon the opinions and talents of the vast Trek fan base to guide ANY further projects. Are we more qualified to do this than those currently at the helm?
Do I even need to answer?

CaptainTombs · « **Reply #6 on:** May 14, 2004, 04:45:31 pm »

aslong as the ship is techinologically correct and it has the dauntless im in

for it

Praxis · « **Reply #8 on:** May 14, 2004, 05:23:42 pm »

I think Rick Berman and George Lucas are having a Star Trek vs Star Wars debate.

Fans everywhere fight...so George Lucas calls in Curtis Saxton, and says, "Next Incredible Cross Sections, make sure you note that quad turbolasers are 200 gigatons. That should teach those Trekkies!"

So Rick Berman decides, "Well, fine then, I'll just make a new Trek series and give Trek uberfied technology, take that, Warsies!"

Captain Pierce · « **Reply #9 on:** May 14, 2004, 05:34:43 pm »

I'm with Sandman on this one--sounds like a great idea, but I don't trust Rick Berman as far as I can throw a photon torpedo to know how to make a good TV series anymore. To me, given current management, this sounds like an excuse to take a bunch more 2-dimensional cardboard characters, throw 'em on that Enterprise-J monstrosity, and write them the same technobabble-filled nonsense that they've been spewing out since the later years of TNG...

DonKarnage · « **Reply #11 on:** May 14, 2004, 05:57:15 pm »

that seem good, will the romuland, klingon and other race be part of the federation?, since its the 26th century the gam and delta quadrant must have ben charted, so the must be exploring other galaxie and the must have time travel technologie since in the 25 th century the time ship was abble to open a rift in space to go anywhere in time, (in kirk time the go around the sun and break away from it), so will the go trow time to do exploration?, anyway it seem cool, what about the borg and the kazon and the jemmadar?, what enemy will the be watching? hope its not the galactic empire

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Chrystoff · « **Reply #12 on:** May 14, 2004, 05:58:09 pm »

I don't like it. There is so much that had to have occured in "The Lost Era," that I would rather see them cover that gap. These idiots are looking for material to cover, when it's all around them. If it was raining $100 bills, they'd be under the couch looking for a dime they lost. Not to mention the fact that none of those goofballs over at Paramount have any idea what Star Trek is. "Enterprise" is a joke, and completely ignores canon, which in my mind shows great disrespect to Rodenberry. Listen to the fans? When have they EVER listened to the fans?? I'll believe THAT when I see it.

manitoba · « **Reply #19 on:** May 15, 2004, 12:29:31 am »

i have only this to show and i am a fanatic of almost all genres of scifi. which means there almost isnt a scifi show i havent watch. anywho on this SW vs ST i have this to say

does it really matter because the both just rock. my all out winner would be the race that took out the gau'old ship when the were flung way way way of course. i mean that was a massive gao'old mother ship along the lines of anubisus mothership and it got toasted in seconds.lets not forget the ancients and shadows and kosh and company
then i would have to say the minbari would come in next. then earth alliance after shariden became president. the the SDSF-1 all by its self would wipe a complete imperial task force out of existance with one blast of her main guns. and so forth. oh im sure in a little bit there is going to be some qoutes about this,

Reverend · « **Reply #20 on:** May 15, 2004, 12:39:12 am »

Ah, great points InragedSith- we know youre a fan of Star Wars as well, but the agression needs to curtain call, good fellow... sorry I did not cut and paste previous posts, to point out what I was exactly speaking of, but I am assuming you can figure it out on your own, nor did I mean to insult you. Its just very unusual of you to be so agressive, according to my observations.. What is it that is really bothering you most about this?
I am with you, Inraged, I am afraid of these things said by Bergman.. having Bergman around saying these scary things is like having Great Uncle Boris with Alzheimers, and he's got your ship in a bottle in his shaky little hands, and keep asking if it'll break.

Why is he employed? Why does Paramount not fire him and bring someone new on, like after Insurrection, or after Nemesis?
Star Trek is the only horror/sci-fi I could get my hateful, ultra-practical father to watch. It has (had) charming characters, believeable technology, and reminiscent politics. Bergman has all but ruined it, and if its producer(s) had some soul, it would have generated a lot more money... instead, we have reality series raking that in.

Fury_of_a_Seraph · « **Reply #21 on:** May 15, 2004, 12:42:08 am »

to the sound of REM's "End of the world"

Its the end of the show as we know it,
Its the end of the show as we know it,
Its the end of the show as we know it,
Its the end of the show as we know it,
and i feel fine...

manitoba · « **Reply #22 on:** May 15, 2004, 12:59:13 am »

ok i dont really see what everyyones problem with the new series enterprise that everyone says about. now yes i have seen every episode of TOS , most TNG, most VOY, and some or half of DS9. and if u ask me DS9 was more of a ripoff than enterprise. now before anyone jumps the gun, it wasnt a bad show. just to me it seems to have been somewhat copied from BABYLON 5 to a lot of degrees. but again thats just me. now with enterprise u have to step back and look at it this way. the way it tracked off of the story line is all a timeline problem, that needed to fixed. now who says that when they fix what went wrong that time is fixed, and somehow it ends up that it reverts back to the way it was. now this is just spectulation on my part but that is how i see it going to end. as if nothing happened at all. granted kirk and spock would have fixed it in half an hour to an hour, picard would have taken a week to debate it, sisko would have somehow come to a conclussion it was a cardassian conpsiracy to get DS9 back from the federation, janeway well we all know how she would have handled it( 7 of 9 ) assimliates them all to be target practice in the holodeck. this is ofcourse how i feel. u just have to step back and think that whats happened has been a very very long single episode. and i know this new series also will come off half contrived to some degree, simplely because they really cant use any material to copy off of, and using stickly canon would be way way to messed up. if they would have used canon for enterprise the show mostly wouldnt have last 2-3 weeks. as it is now its what 2-3 yrs. so assume the new series or movie will go along the sidelines in some way or other. and to nock it now will just ruin any way of actually stopping to look at the show independently.
i'm sure most of u will say i am

or

. but hey thats just me

starforce2 · « **Reply #24 on:** May 15, 2004, 02:22:52 am »

I'd much rather seen a series based on a wells class...ofcourse by that time it'd be the enterprise P or soemthing...but meh...

Age · « **Reply #25 on:** May 15, 2004, 02:57:34 am »

I was hoping for a show that took place in the 23centuty.This is to fill the gaps and holes that still remain to be seen.This would go along way to know anything about the Xindi and the expanse that was never explained in TOS or TMP.I would like to see more on the 23C. with a different ship not Enterprise.What happened after the Kitomar Cords were signed by the Federation and the Klingon Empire.I am not ready for a 26th Century show yet.There is still unanswered questions about the 23Century.I would like to see some other ships aswell eg. Fed. FFs and DDs etc.We don't know what they really look like and considering this the model forum.

I am not ready to see an Enterprise H,I orJ for that matter.I really like to see a ship look like Enterprise A

That is my reactions to this it would be nice to have this posted in the general or Cammand forum.

This vey

and RB has a

This is a

for me.

red_green · « **Reply #26 on:** May 15, 2004, 12:00:12 pm »

I won't watch it unless there are HYdrans

Fallen_Warrior · « **Reply #27 on:** May 15, 2004, 02:52:02 pm »

Well I first read this last night and my reactions are as follows:

First: Klingons, Romulans, Federation and all the other alpha and beta quadrent races in a big happy family. It sounds sickening after the Dominion War the Romulans were only starting to think about peace. Even then they would only do it to benefit the empire and crush all the "allies" in a single unsuspected blow that will leave the Romulan Star Empire in total control. So unless something devestating to the empire occured, like the destruction of Remus and half of the slave colenies were destoryed by some unknown force, would they even ask for help. Also would the Klingon Empire Really stay Part of the Federation If those pressy pointy eared Vulcans with a bad attitude (no offence to all the rommie fans) became there allies ( I think Not young Berman)

Second: I hope to god they dont do that time line because they havent even resloved the Romulan Wars and the birth of the Federation, Post TMP era i.e.Decommissioning of Enterprise B, Kitomer accords, Post Voyager What Happened to all those groovy weapons and Tech also with the Rouge Borg from Unimatrix Zero (what happened to them, did they take over the borg collective and help restore the balence of power caused by loss of the Queen) What about the allience with spesis 8472, and almost all of the lose ends Voyager left open. (too many to list)
And you Also have Post DS9 it left questions like: How do the Bajoran people cope wioth the loss of thier Emersairy?
Did the cadassians try to get revenge on the Dominion for ruining everything they held dear?
How did StarFleet Handle the loss of most of fleet and if there were any up risings from the breen ect?

I mean Nemisis wasnt so bad it wrapped up the Main TNG story up nicely

Enterprise Isnt so bad its trying to be DS9 with the action but its still Quantum Leap in Space.

What is the New show going to to get another black captian like Mr.T and remake the A-Team but in uniform

Why dont they take the show in a diffrent direction like have the main ship and crew a completly diffrent race like Klingon or Romulan set in any era, or even do a small Tv Movies that follow diffrent aspects of a fleet for instance 1 week we are on 1 ship with a guest crew of actors refering to something that happened in DS9 the next week your on another ship with yet another crew responding to requests and actions taken by the other ship (this will show more ships for the fans and give a better idea of the stucture of Starfleet and or other races

Lastly: (thank god he will be quiet now i hear you say) A New Movie? why not give DS9 a shot i dont know make a trilogy of films based on the Millenium set of Books It deals with alot of relevent stuff or another one of the books (all of which should have some impact on the show because the show doesnt deal with the day to day, Enterprise has only started to do this with the consiquencies from previous episodes actions taking place)

Well thats the end of my rant i thank you for listening and all i can say is Long Live Trek Lets Hope that t can climb out of its hole and get a new lease of life.

InragedSith · « **Reply #28 on:** May 15, 2004, 03:21:12 pm »

I am challenging the validity of this article

What is "TrekWatcher"?

Google and Yahoo searches can't find "TrekWatcher"

jimkirk · « **Reply #29 on:** May 16, 2004, 04:42:52 am »

Well I wanted always to see a series based on The Lost Era books. I would like to see there John Harriman, Rachel Garret, as well as Sulu. But the concept of such series should be multiracial - that means without or with a couple of main characters (one in every known race of Star Trek). This would give as a light on other races technology as well and would uncover the history of the Lost Era...

What do you thing about that guys??

InragedSith · « **Reply #31 on:** May 16, 2004, 11:08:05 am »

I have just concluded and investigation into this subject and me and my associates have discovered that this article is fake

Kaenyne thanks for the fanfiction you fooled us alll

Praxis I suggest you inform SDN that this is fake since you started a thread there on this subject

"trekwatcher" does not exist in any form and this article is a complete fake

Age · « **Reply #32 on:** May 16, 2004, 11:40:01 am »

You mean all this for nothing.What is it doing in the models forum then?

SovereignEmpire · « **Reply #33 on:** May 16, 2004, 12:00:53 pm »

The idea is better than a prequel, but at the same time, its a little scary. I mean, it will just leave a big gap in the timeline! Although Enterprise isn?t the greatest Star Trek ever seen, its cancellation will still leave me unsettled. What Happens to NX-01 Enterprise? What about the Earth-Romulan war? What about the Birth of the Federation? It would be nice to at least see the show end with everything answered. Also, after Nemesis and Voyager we have even more unanswered questions. What happened with the Borg resistance and the destruction of Unimatrix 001? Will they come back and be the all cool Borg they once were, or will they be crushed even more in the future? If there is a new Enterprise (NCC-1701-F?) then what of the Enterprise-E? As far as I'm concerned the Sovereign class is my favorite Enterprise. I want to see her die honorably or retire respectively. Does Odo succeed in making the Dominion an ally? Will they show the Breen, Tholians, Gorn, First-Federation, or Metrons? Who will be the new enemy? Will there be Galaxy X Class warships to drool over? These are things that need to be answered. They need a good crew too. One thing about Enterprise is that the show follows only three characters too often. Every other trek show had a good cast that fit really well with each other, and no one complained.

Kaenyne · « **Reply #36 on:** May 17, 2004, 08:31:47 am »

InragedSith, I congratulate you!

Yes, the article is complete fabrication. It was something I have been wanted to try for a little while now. "Why?" do you ask...

Well, of late I have noticed a growing number (IMHO that is) of folks who are disenfranchised by the current Trek series. That, and the reaction to the last film, have been less than enthusiastic. This has me somewhat concerned about the future of Star Trek as whole. So, my twisted little brain formed an experiment, a sort of "blind test" to gauge true fan reactions to a new show. By giving it a sense of "reality", I reasoned that I would get unblemished opinions.

So, my early conclusion is that there is definately a cynicism to the posts, an anti-Berman vibe, if you will.

If anyone got overly excited or upset by my ideas behind a new Trek series, I apologize. They were just some things I wanted to communicate to folks, but in a less than traditional way. Even though I admit I like "Enterprise", if I were at the wheel, "Unification" is the probable the direction I would go. It wouldn't be a "one big happy family" show exactly, but more a return to philosophical roots. IDIC, peaceful exploration of the cosmos. Galactic civilization to have evolved and matured beyond old conflicts. One way to do that was to let go of old stand-bys, such as the Neutral Zone. By finally resolving differences with the Romulans, that would be a big step forward. And the door was opened in "Nemesis". How could the Federation NOT take that chance at peace? After all, it's been done before. The Klingons are more or less permanent allies now(and who prior to the premiere of TNG saw THAT coming?).

To everybody else, "GOTCHA!"

SSCF Hooch · « **Reply #37 on:** June 11, 2004, 11:02:14 am »

There always has to be a stuggle between good and evil. If the Roms, like the Klinks drop their mis-trust of the Federation, then who gets the black hat of the bad guys? The Breen? (I like this idea) The Borg? (old news) The Dominion? (been there, done that) Or do they make up another new race that challeges all that is good and right?

Hooch

jayvt3 · « **Reply #38 on:** June 11, 2004, 12:20:05 pm »

Don't take this the wrong way but shouldn't this topic be in another forum???
With that out of the way here is my $1.50 (inflation you know).
I personally think that the current ideas of Star Trek is on life support and somebody just needs the intestinal fortitude to pull the plug. The last great movie of Star Trek I saw was The Wrath of Khan.
I mean really look how truly lame ST-3 was, Spock died a noble death and was resurrected due to the deluge of trekkie hype and does anyone wonder just how the character of Kirk would be if David lived, married Saavik, had kids. Grandson Samuel says "Granpa tell me again about the Doomsday machine!!" Grandaughter Carol says " No I wanna here 'bout the butterfly dancers of Siloos Prime. " And of course the youngest, a suprisingly Vulcan looking toddler states "Both of you are acting quite irrationally." Then goes back to his binkie. But just imagine the glimmer in Kirk's eyes when he realizes that 'the adventure is just bginning".
Now ST-4. Save the whales. Do I really need to say more? No? Well double dumbass on you!!
ST-5. Too many marshmelons, Uhura fan dancing nekkid, and we find out that Sarek was a pipe slinger extrordinare of Vulcan. Wonder if he owed child support? Makes you wonder why he stayed on Earth so much. Oh I almost forgot! What does god need a starship for?
ST-6. Chang should have lived. The character played by Kim Catrall was lame and we should have seen more of the Excelsior. Especially the scene played out in Voyager between Sulu ang Kang. That would have been cool. Way cool.
Now for the next generation. Just shoot me!
Generations. Oh my. Shatner was probably saying it in reference to why he agreed to do it. Must of lost that bet.
Insurrection. The face stretch was cool. The Sona ships were cool. F. Murray Abraham must have needed rent money to do that role.
First Contact. The Borg queen was acted out very well. But the Data gets a hummer (not by GMC) by the BQ just did it for me. And let us not forget that if anyone of importance gets infected by the Borg then it's pull out all the stops and sacrifice a virgin for their healling to begin but let some poor schumck from stellar cartography get the bug and its a beam to the back of the head for him.
Nemesis. Clone Picard. Why? Why ask why? Riker and Troi finally do the do. It's all great until he starts finding Klingon porno on the computer and she starts to find plastic bags with Wesley's (anyone remember that poor bastard?) underwear stashed in Will's readyroom desk.
Well that's it for me for now(I'm using a computer at the local library). Next time I'll give you all my take on the TV series. Yeah I know y'all just can't wait.

Marauth · « **Reply #39 on:** June 11, 2004, 06:21:10 pm »

Yes, trully I personally am dying in anticipation of your take on the series such literary genius must not be denied to the public

I'm sorry but was the Data-gets-a-hummer remark really necessary? Especially given that fact that he didn't, I doubt the BQ would even go there. I thought it was very human of Picard to only care about Data and not reallly give a toss about some random crewman he just killed, that's human nature, we'll save our friends at any cost but wont think twice about killing another human (or Borg) to save the friend.

STVI was the first time we actually got to see any proper political interaction in the Trek universe, aslong as you ignore Kirk's stay on Rura Penthe obviously entirely written for comedy effect (the knee-ball alien and the shapeshifter) then it is easily one of the better (IMO the best) of the Trek movies. Chang wasn't very well developed and was nowhere near Kirk's standards as a villain, not like Kang or Kor. Chang was very two-dimensional and those shakespeare quotes did my head in. They could have at least picked a decent playright for one liners.

Captain Pierce · « **Reply #40 on:** June 11, 2004, 07:49:12 pm »

Funny, I was just thinking about bumping this thread, and somebody goes and does it for me...

Looking at what's been said here mostly in the abstract, two thing struck me:

1) A lot of people seem to think that jumping into the future is a bad idea because it leaves too many questions about what happened in the meantime (between Nemesis and the future series) unanswered, and

2) Even more people want all the unanswered questions from the "Lost Era" (between ST6 and TNG) answered.

Now, personally, I think that one of the reasons that TNG worked was because they didn't answer all the questions about what happened between the TMP era and 2364. Heck, the whole reason there's a "Lost Era" for y'all to get obsessed over is because they left all that open. (Parenthetically, I should add that I've read exactly one of the "Lost Era" novels--well, three if you count "Vulcan's Forge" and "Vulcan's Heart," which although technically not billed as LE novels, certainly take place in the period--and I can't see the fascination with them. IMO, none of the three is particularly interesting, or even particularly plausible in the Trek Universe...)

I guess what I'm trying to say is that, if a series such as Kaenyne invented for us actually were to come about, I would be solidly in favor of them not filling in all the blanks. "Yesterday's Enterprise" was one of the best episodes TNG ever made--and it would have been impossible if we already knew what happened to the Enterprise-C. I'm a huge B5 fan as well as a Trekkie, and I personally think Trek could learn a lot from JMS and how he wrote B5--well, in addtion to what DS9 stole from his pitch of B5 to Paramount

--and the idea of jumping into the future but leaving you guessing as to what happened in the interim is one of Joe's trademarks.

This is really isn't making as much sense as I'd hoped, so I'm going to stop now...

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CaptainTombs

InragedSith

Praxis

Captain Pierce

InragedSith

DonKarnage

Chrystoff

Sandman3D

InragedSith

Captain Pierce

Chrystoff

Sandman3D

InragedSith

manitoba

Reverend

Fury_of_a_Seraph

manitoba

Kreeargh

starforce2

Age

red_green

Fallen_Warrior

InragedSith

jimkirk

Age

InragedSith

Age

SovereignEmpire

InragedSith

InragedSith

Kaenyne

SSCF Hooch

jayvt3

Marauth

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