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Kaenyne

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I want your reactions to this...
« on: May 14, 2004, 03:28:23 pm »
From TrekWatcher:

5/14/04

Coming Fall 2005?

STAR TREK: UNIFICATION

Long time Star Trek Executive Producer Rick Berman, just prior to taking a less prominent role in the Star Trek franchise, dropped a bombshell this afternoon via his weekly teleconference. Plans are underway for a new Star Trek series, this incarnation under the moniker ?Unification?.

With one series midway through its projected run and hints of another film in the works, Berman explains his reasoning behind the announcement.

BERMAN: ?We (Brannon Braga) have been bouncing ideas back and forth about where the Trek story should for a year or so. It occurred to us that a good amount of the recent content had a sense of the ?recycled?. Fans have been antsy about our current direction. It then hit upon us that what we had in front of us was a creative glut. We could go back again, way back to the beginning or a prequel direction. But then it was like painting ourselves into a corner. How to keep it solid and not step on the rich mythology that is Star Trek was the issue truly at hand. The fans simply deserve to know they are being listened to and we have learned from it.?

?So we went, pardon the phrase, where we hadn?t gone before?beyond the limits of warp speed, the limits of the Federation and the limits of what we thought of and defined as a Starship.?

?We took a long look at Gene?s [Roddenberry?s] vision, the Starship as a living community, a vessel with a task to explore, discover and all those other things that made Star Trek Star Trek. He did that twice, back in the 60s and again in the 80s. When you think about it, The Next Generation is what the man would have done if not for the social and technological limitations in which the first series was born. We took the Roddenberry philosophy and pushed it to the extreme.?  

TREKWATCHER: And what does this mean for Star Trek fans? What can we look forward to in a year?

(In a rare moment, Berman gives us a glimpse into the 26th Century):

BERMAN: ?The premise for ?Unification? is borrowed from that Next Generation episode in which Spock is attempting to bring his Romulan brethren back into the fold. We took that little bit of lore and spun that idea into more of an intergalactic-scale scenario. Like Gene wanted in his last show, not to go back to the old stand-bys, but to move forward and expand literally and figuratively into new territories. From that we got the Q, Ferengi and a host of other new beings and places. Later, when he brought back some old favorites, it was done in a secondary fashion. The new guys got center stage. That?s what we?re doing again. It?s an evolution of the galaxy as a whole.?

TREKWATCHER: What is does this ?evolution? entail?

BERMAN: ?Gone are the old conflicts. Forget the Neutral Zones, Treaty of Algeron, and all that other stuff. It?s over. In fact, our story for the first episode deals with this transition. It?s out with the old and in with the new. Suddenly, the galaxy becomes at once at lot bigger and so much smaller. Our central theme explores what this new openness means to our characters. We did something like this with Voyager, but only skimmed the surface. This new century brings on a true Renaissance. The mission to explore strange new worlds is really gonna hit home.?

TREKWATCHER: So the big question is, will there be a Starship Enterprise?

BERMAN: ?Oh yes, there will be an Enterprise. And, in keeping with our ideas and Gene?s, she?ll be a true community in space. The guys in the art department have outdone themselves coming up with the ship that looks like the vision of the show. When you see her for the first time, you won?t have look for a nameplate to know who she is. This Enterprise is going to knock your socks off.?

(Berman lets one more teaser through):

BERMAN: ?And she?s REALLY fast.?  


OPINIONS?

WHAT DO YOU LIKE ABOUT THIS IDEA? WHAT DON'T YOU LIKE?






 
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E_Look

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Re: I want your reactions to this...
« Reply #1 on: May 14, 2004, 03:36:43 pm »
Super!

But I still hope they continue Enterprise along with this!

Sandman3D

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Re: I want your reactions to this...
« Reply #2 on: May 14, 2004, 03:43:08 pm »
Sounds great!.........On paper. Enterprise was supposed to be the next great thing, and from a Trekkers' (hate the term"Trekkie" ) point of view, they dropped the ball. But, I have to admit, I can't wait to see the ship!  

Smiley

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Re: I want your reactions to this...
« Reply #3 on: May 14, 2004, 04:20:33 pm »
Wohoo! We're going forwards again!

MarianoDT

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Re: I want your reactions to this...
« Reply #4 on: May 14, 2004, 04:22:54 pm »
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BERMAN: ?And she?s REALLY fast.?  

 




Wow, SlipStream Maybe?

Anyways, it is very good news indeed. I canīt wait.

Mariano
 

Qob'nuH

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Re: I want your reactions to this...
« Reply #5 on: May 14, 2004, 04:33:20 pm »
As long as this time they hire somebody who actually knows something about Star Trek and has at least a sense of the word,"continuity". (a loose word in Star Trek, but a necessary one.) They need to draw upon the opinions and talents of the vast Trek fan base to guide ANY further projects. Are we more qualified to do this than those currently at the helm?
Do I even need to answer?





 

CaptainTombs

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Re: I want your reactions to this...
« Reply #6 on: May 14, 2004, 04:45:31 pm »
aslong as the ship is techinologically correct and it has the dauntless im in for it

InragedSith

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Re: I want your reactions to this...
« Reply #7 on: May 14, 2004, 05:19:00 pm »
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From TrekWatcher:

5/14/04

Coming Fall 2005?

STAR TREK: UNIFICATION




This can't be good

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Long time Star Trek Executive Producer Rick Berman, just prior to taking a less prominent role in the Star Trek franchise, dropped a bombshell this afternoon via his weekly teleconference.




Was he fired?

Was ENT canceled?

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Plans are underway for a new Star Trek series, this incarnation under the moniker ?Unification?.




Come on "Enterprise" ain't doing too well ratings wise yet they're making another series?

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With one series midway through its projected run




Said series which should've been canceled long ago

 
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and hints of another film in the works,




Which is very unwise given Nemesis' preformance in theaters

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 Berman explains his reasoning behind the announcement.




He wants to suck the cash cow dry and turn Trek into inhumane torture

Or is this a key step in Wolfram & Harts plan for the apocolypse?

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BERMAN: ?We (Brannon Braga) have been bouncing ideas back and forth about where the Trek story should for a year or so.




Just B&B brainstorming?

They have a bad track record I'd feel more confortable if I learned an army of talented, creative persons was doing the brainstorming

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It occurred to us that a good amount of the recent content had a sense of the ?recycled?.




Just found that out now?

I think B&B need some special education or atleast a social worker to make sure they don't run with scissors

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 Fans have been antsy about our current direction.




It may have taken years but finally they're listening to us

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We could go back again, way back to the beginning or a prequel direction.




You F***ed things up too much there

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 But then it was like painting ourselves into a corner.




B&B who were as intellegent as a paper clip are now as smart as an average doorknob

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 How to keep it solid and not step on the rich mythology that is Star Trek




You already stepped on "the rich mythology that is Star Trek" and crushed it's skull with your boot

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The fans simply deserve to know they are being listened to and we have learned from it.?




Now, only now

Is there something you're not telling us Mr. Berman?

Is your job on the line now?

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?So we went, pardon the phrase, where we hadn?t gone before?beyond the limits of warp speed, the limits of the Federation and the limits of what we thought of and defined as a Starship.?




 
This can't be good

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?We took a long look at Gene?s [Roddenberry?s] vision, the Starship as a living community, a vessel with a task to explore, discover and all those other things that made Star Trek Star Trek. He did that twice, back in the 60s and again in the 80s. When you think about it, The Next Generation is what the man would have done if not for the social and technological limitations in which the first series was born. We took the Roddenberry philosophy and pushed it to the extreme.?  




So what the Fed seal now gets a hammer and sickle?

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TREKWATCHER: And what does this mean for Star Trek fans? What can we look forward to in a year?




Something that sucks really really really....


...really really bad

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(In a rare moment, Berman gives us a glimpse into the 26th Century):




A spinoff involving the E-J?

Wow this will truly be TNG 2.0 what with having to deal with the sphere builders and all we'll have the perfect enviroment too explore Rodenberry style Trek socialist, pacifist, pajama wearing hippies and all

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BERMAN: ?The premise for ?Unification? is borrowed from that Next Generation episode in which Spock is attempting to bring his Romulan brethren back into the fold.




I think a series involving the Romulans would be interesting, original, and fresh

But B&B won't do that to them Trek must involve a socialist Federation that has a military that doesn't see itself as a military all from the perspective of the crew on a ship named Enterprise

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We took that little bit of lore and spun that idea into more of an intergalactic-scale scenario




You mean intragalactic

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. Like Gene wanted in his last show, not to go back to the old stand-bys, but to move forward and expand literally and figuratively into new territories. From that we got the Q, Ferengi and a host of other new beings and places. Later, when he brought back some old favorites, it was done in a secondary fashion. The new guys got center stage. That?s what we?re doing again. It?s an evolution of the galaxy as a whole.?

TREKWATCHER: What is does this ?evolution? entail?

BERMAN: ?Gone are the old conflicts. Forget the Neutral Zones, Treaty of Algeron, and all that other stuff.




Why?

Sooner or later the Feds and Romulans should have a full scale war

instead everyone is buddy, buddy

I have a bad feeling about ths

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 It?s over. In fact, our story for the first episode deals with this transition.




One episode?

So in one episode all the empires in the quadrant go from being at eachothers throats to the best of freinds?

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 Our central theme explores what this new openness means to our characters.




New openness?

If some of these characters are Romulan and Klingon they'll almost be at each others throats since this "unification" happened overnight

And the humans wouldn't trust the Romulans as far as they could throw them

 
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We did something like this with Voyager, but only skimmed the surface. This new century brings on a true Renaissance. The mission to explore strange new worlds is really gonna hit home.?




unfortunately this series is going to deal mostly with a war against the sphere builders instead

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TREKWATCHER: So the big question is, will there be a Starship Enterprise?




Duh

This is B&B we're talking about

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BERMAN: ?Oh yes, there will be an Enterprise. And, in keeping with our ideas and Gene?s, she?ll be a true community in space.




So this community in space I assume is complete with families and children?

The E-J will be sent to the front lines in the war against the sphere builders with civillians and children onboard?

This new series will suck

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The guys in the art department have outdone themselves coming up with the ship that looks like the vision of the show.




Which we breifly saw in an episode of Enterprise not that long ago

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When you see her for the first time, you won?t have look for a nameplate to know who she is. This Enterprise is going to knock your socks off.?




From what I saw in that ENT episode the E-J looks like a very fragile ugly ship

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(Berman lets one more teaser through):

BERMAN: ?And she?s REALLY fast.?  




How fast is she?

[Berman]Faster than my termination after the first season of this new show fails[/Berman]  
« Last Edit: May 14, 2004, 05:28:52 pm by InragedSith »

Praxis

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Re: I want your reactions to this...
« Reply #8 on: May 14, 2004, 05:23:42 pm »
I think Rick Berman and George Lucas are having a Star Trek vs Star Wars debate.

Fans everywhere fight...so George Lucas calls in Curtis Saxton, and says, "Next Incredible Cross Sections, make sure you note that quad turbolasers are 200 gigatons.  That should teach those Trekkies!"

So Rick Berman decides, "Well, fine then, I'll just make a new Trek series and give Trek uberfied technology, take that, Warsies!"

Captain Pierce

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Re: I want your reactions to this...
« Reply #9 on: May 14, 2004, 05:34:43 pm »
I'm with Sandman on this one--sounds like a great idea, but I don't trust Rick Berman as far as I can throw a photon torpedo to know how to make a good TV series anymore.  To me, given current management, this sounds like an excuse to take a bunch more 2-dimensional cardboard characters, throw 'em on that Enterprise-J monstrosity, and write them the same technobabble-filled nonsense that they've been spewing out since the later years of TNG...  

InragedSith

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Re: I want your reactions to this...
« Reply #10 on: May 14, 2004, 05:38:28 pm »
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I think Rick Berman and George Lucas are having a Star Trek vs Star Wars debate.




I don't think so

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Fans everywhere fight...




They have and the fight is over

SW would be victorious

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so George Lucas calls in Curtis Saxton, and says, "Next Incredible Cross Sections, make sure you note that quad turbolasers are 200 gigatons.




Saxton did that on his own accord based on his own research

 
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That should teach those Trekkies!"




ICS canonization shut most of the "trekkie cultists" up

And I fear that the debate will erupt again when this new show airs

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So Rick Berman decides, "Well, fine then, I'll just make a new Trek series and give Trek uberfied technology, take that, Warsies!"  




It's not "uberfied": all we know is the E-J is faster

Where it once took months to get from say Earth to Cardassia it now takes weeks

DonKarnage

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Re: I want your reactions to this...
« Reply #11 on: May 14, 2004, 05:57:15 pm »
that seem good, will the romuland, klingon and other race be part of the federation?, since its the 26th century the gam and delta quadrant must have ben charted,  so the must be exploring other galaxie and the must have time travel technologie since in the 25 th century the time ship was abble to open a rift in space to go anywhere in time, (in kirk time the go around the sun and break away from it), so will the go trow time to do exploration?, anyway it seem cool, what about the borg and the kazon and the jemmadar?, what enemy will the be watching? hope its not the galactic empire .

Chrystoff

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Re: I want your reactions to this...
« Reply #12 on: May 14, 2004, 05:58:09 pm »
I don't like it. There is so much that had to have occured in "The Lost Era," that I would rather see them cover that gap. These idiots are looking for material to cover, when it's all around them. If it was raining $100 bills, they'd be under the couch looking for a dime they lost. Not to mention the fact that none of those goofballs over at Paramount have any idea what Star Trek is. "Enterprise" is a joke, and completely ignores canon, which in my mind shows great disrespect to Rodenberry. Listen to the fans? When have they EVER listened to the fans?? I'll believe THAT when I see it.    

Sandman3D

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« Reply #13 on: May 14, 2004, 05:58:21 pm »
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They have and the fight is over

SW would be victorious

 



NOW THAT IS DAMN HERESY!!!!!

Seriously though, B5 would blow 'em all to kingdom come!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!  

InragedSith

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Re: I want your reactions to this...
« Reply #14 on: May 14, 2004, 06:17:14 pm »
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that seem good, will the romuland,




It's ROMULAN

They aren't a theme park

 
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klingon and other race be part of the federation?




Yep

And the Federation will last forever thanks to the very unrealistic "The Federation can never fall" brain bug

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since its the 26th century the gam and delta quadrant must have ben charted,




Hold on there

I don't think so

Federation proplusion couldn't have advanced that much and they're busy with the sphere builders

 
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 so the must be exploring other galaxie




No, good lord no

All the uber Federation controls is a small patch of space they still have much of the Alpha and Beta quadrants to explore

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and the must have time travel technologie




That one TNG episode said so

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since in the 25 th century the time ship was abble to open a rift in space to go anywhere in time,




What time ship?

There are several and none of them are from the 25th century

 
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 so will the go trow time to do exploration?,




No, The sphere builder arc will take up much of this series

 
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what about the borg and the kazon  




I don't know maybe 7 of 9 hijacked the uberfied Voyager and took over the collective turning it into a ruthless Empire that assimilated all the races in the delta quadrant even the Kazon

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and the jemmadar?




The Dominion probably expanded it's influence in the Gama Quadrant and is in a cold war with the uber Federation

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what enemy will the be watching?




The Sphere builders

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hope its not the galactic empire .  




It'd be a really short series then and it wouldn't have a happy ending
« Last Edit: May 14, 2004, 07:53:18 pm by InragedSith »

Captain Pierce

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Re: I want your reactions to this...
« Reply #15 on: May 14, 2004, 06:28:42 pm »
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It's ROMULAN

They aren't a theme park  




They are in this show, probably...    The Ferengi are probably running it, led by the new Nagus, the frozen head of Michael Eisner...

The problem with wanting them to do a show in the "Lost Era" is that they'd just screw that up as much as they have their "prequel."  Can you IMAGINE the Enterprise-C of a Killer B's "Lost Era" series?  They'd find a way for it NOT to be destroyed at Narendra III--the chief engineer would be able to rig the deflector dish to fire an inverse renooberon beam into the string fragment that "orginally" sent them into the future, and all the Warbirds would suffer a cascade reaction in their quantum singularity warp cores.

Or something...  

Chrystoff

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Re: I want your reactions to this...
« Reply #16 on: May 14, 2004, 07:50:53 pm »
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The problem with wanting them to do a show in the "Lost Era" is that they'd just screw that up as much as they have their "prequel."  Can you IMAGINE the Enterprise-C of a Killer B's "Lost Era" series?  They'd find a way for it NOT to be destroyed at Narendra III--the chief engineer would be able to rig the deflector dish to fire an inverse renooberon beam into the string fragment that "orginally" sent them into the future, and all the Warbirds would suffer a cascade reaction in their quantum singularity warp cores.




Agreed, although the problem with ANY Trek series is that they'd just screw that up as much as they have their "prequel."    

Sandman3D

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Re: I want your reactions to this...
« Reply #17 on: May 14, 2004, 11:53:32 pm »
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hope its not the galactic empire .  




It'd be a really short series then and it wouldn't have a happy ending  




Star Wars Fanatic alert!!! Really man, Even a Sith Lord will fall to the Vulcan neck pinch, and will wind up a quivering lump of goo when confronted by a Borg drone.

Seriously, SW would NOT trounce ST...'nuff said!  

InragedSith

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Re: I want your reactions to this...
« Reply #18 on: May 15, 2004, 12:06:13 am »
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Star Wars Fanatic alert!!!




I believe you are mistaken

If I were a fanatic I would've posted a long drawn out speech proclaiming SW's superiority

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Really man, Even a Sith Lord will fall to the Vulcan neck pinch,





Shame that a Vulcan must come into physical contact to do that

Let's just hope that poor Vulcan isn't weak minded

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and will wind up a quivering lump of goo when confronted by a Borg drone.




I don't think those spiffy shields protect against force choking

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Seriously, SW would NOT trounce ST...'nuff said!  




The numbers say otherwise

Now back on subject

I foresee nothing but bad things with this new Trek series
« Last Edit: May 15, 2004, 12:06:45 am by InragedSith »

manitoba

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Re: I want your reactions to this...
« Reply #19 on: May 15, 2004, 12:29:31 am »
i have only this to show and i am a fanatic of almost all genres of scifi. which means there almost isnt a scifi show i havent watch.  anywho  on this SW vs ST i have this to say

 

does it really matter because the both just rock.  my all out winner would be the race that took out the gau'old ship  when the were flung way way way of course. i mean that was a massive gao'old mother ship along the lines of anubisus mothership and it got toasted in seconds.lets not forget the ancients and shadows and kosh and company
 then i would have to say the minbari would come in next. then earth alliance after shariden became president. the the SDSF-1 all by its self would wipe a complete imperial task force out of existance with one blast of her main guns. and so forth.  oh im sure in a little bit there is going to be some qoutes about this,