Topic: I actually enjoyed last night's Enterprise...  (Read 16800 times)

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Rat_Boy

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Re: I actually enjoyed last night's Enterprise...
« Reply #20 on: May 14, 2004, 01:41:24 pm »
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 The sooner the better. We are now six days from 'X' day, when they annouce if Enterprise is renewed or not. There is an enormous amount of 'save enterprise' web sites and letter thing, but Trek had been able to do that for years for its shows.

I wonder just how accurate the ratings are, I bet more people watch then the rating services say.
 
 





Trust me, we are *very* close to actually seeing the birth of the Federation, so close that it doesn't matter if the show gets renewed or not.  Trust me.  

FFZ

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Re: I actually enjoyed last night's Enterprise...
« Reply #21 on: May 14, 2004, 02:10:24 pm »
  Another criptic comment for Rat boy...out with it, what do know!    

Rat_Boy

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Re: I actually enjoyed last night's Enterprise...
« Reply #22 on: May 14, 2004, 02:23:54 pm »
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According to the always accurate insider "Morpheus" from the TrekBBS, Daniels will, for some reason, take Archer ahead seven years into the future to witness or just show him the signing of the Federation charter.

E_Look

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Re: I actually enjoyed last night's Enterprise...
« Reply #23 on: May 14, 2004, 02:35:17 pm »
Hey, RatBoy!   That doesn't count!!!

I meant I'd like to see it happen in Enterprise over the next few seasons, with episodes in between with infighting among Earth, Vulcan, Andoria, and Tellar, with the Klingons doing the Soviet thing to our incipient interstellar NATO and the shadowy Romulans doing the Red China thing to both!

(Hint hint to Paramount!)

Dogmatix!

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Re: I actually enjoyed last night's Enterprise...
« Reply #24 on: May 14, 2004, 02:55:41 pm »
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For once, they supported Trek lore, when T'Pol told Tripp about the Vulcan Axiom "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few."









Yes, that famous Vulcan line from a Tale of Two Cities

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I hope they bring it back for at least anotehr year.
 




I hope so too.  I wouldn't be suprised if Neilson ratings aren't telling the whole story, but its also just possible that the people who left haven't really given it a second chance.  It is kinda annoying that, no matter what I watch, I have no impact on ratings.  






I hear that...show after show that I watch has been getting canned.  Thankfully, HBO keeps coming out with good series to replace the broadcast network shows I used to watch.



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Karnak

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Re: I actually enjoyed last night's Enterprise...
« Reply #25 on: May 14, 2004, 03:06:05 pm »
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 The sooner the better. We are now six days from 'X' day, when they annouce if Enterprise is renewed or not. There is an enormous amount of 'save enterprise' web sites and letter thing, but Trek had been able to do that for years for its shows.

I wonder just how accurate the ratings are, I bet more people watch then the rating services say.
 
 




The end is nigh:

http://www.lowerdecks.com/cgi/news.cgi?act=shownews&item=00000422

*dons end of the ST world* T-shirt.

It does not look good, IMHO.  Too much "maybe it's time Star Trek took a breather" CYA disclaimer talk from Berman.  I'm sure Paramount still has a bad taste in its mouth about the paltry and embarassing domestic  $43 million gross of the Nemesis movie. Plus, UPN does not seem to be interested in Sci-Fi genre anymore with all its reality shows.

Am leaning slightly to the side of Enterprise being cancelled now.  

http://www.greatlink.org/dcisV2.asp?url=shownewsitem.asp?item=3399

I hope I'm wrong but if the Variety magazine rumors are correct then....  
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FFZ

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Re: I actually enjoyed last night's Enterprise...
« Reply #26 on: May 14, 2004, 03:41:22 pm »
  Looks like the end.

If there is ever another Trek, I hope they will be smart, and go the syndicated route that TNG and DS9 followed to enormous suscess. Both of those shows were outside of Neilson's suspect rating system.

It is even possible Enterprise could be taken over for syndication, ever since UPN network got its hooks into Trek, its been lack-luster.

Perhaps the only good that comes of it is Paramount will allow companies like Taldren to again produce Trek games with interference, and the Thoilians and Andromedains will finally arrive, and another game will allow playable Kardassian and Dominion ships.
 

CaptJosh

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Re: I actually enjoyed last night's Enterprise...
« Reply #27 on: May 14, 2004, 03:49:32 pm »
I am much of the opinion that Neilson Ratings are quite outdated even with the introduction of demographic sorting of ratings shortly after Kaiser Broadcasting started guessing about Star Trek would be most popular to the male teens and 20s demographic and when would be the best time to appeal to them back in nineteen seventy-something. It's stupid to have such small sampling ratings when, courtesy of the internet, you can increase the sampling exponentially. Also Syndication is much better for a Trek show. Star Trek tends to have a cult type following. It's not like a series one normally makes for a network. And if nothing else, I hope the next Trek series is done by fans, rather than B&B. Those two pay too much attn to the bottom line and not enough to the quality of the shows.  

Rat_Boy

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Re: I actually enjoyed last night's Enterprise...
« Reply #28 on: May 14, 2004, 06:49:46 pm »
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That doesn't count!!!





Yes it does.  That's technically seeing the birth of the Federation.


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The report is suspect, since Paramount doesn't do public tours and since it chooses to use the word "tear down."  According to interviews with a couple of the actors, construction work was scheduled to begin on the 12th of this month for the next season.  Since the standing sets for the ship have been blown apart twice over during the latter part of the season, it would take a lot of work to restore them and it's likely they decided just to take everything apart and start from scratch rather than try to build over it.  The story's an...overreaction, to put it mildly.

Edit: It also did not elaborate as to what sets were being "torn down."  Since the Xindi arc ended with the season finale, chances are they decided to tear down the Xindi sets.  Also, I have read elsewhere that if any form of set construction is going on, tours of other studios usually get cancelled for insurance reasons.


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Again, this report and the wording of it is suspect.  If it was to be cancelled, the decision would have already been made and announced.  Variety, like all Hollywood rags, is not 100% accurate.   So far, from all indications, ENT will be back next year.
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FFZ

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Re: I actually enjoyed last night's Enterprise...
« Reply #29 on: May 14, 2004, 07:23:33 pm »
 There is one enormus factor in favor of another year, one more season will put the number of shows past the magic 100 episodes that are needed for profitable rerun packages.

I sure would love to see the show out of UPN and B&B's control.

All of here, at this board, could write a better episdoe guidline then what they use.
 
 

Javora

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Re: I actually enjoyed last night's Enterprise...
« Reply #30 on: May 14, 2004, 08:45:42 pm »
Has something changed that I don't know about??

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'Star Trek: Enterprise' To Get 12-Ep Renewal

Author: Michael Hinman
Date: 03-30-2004
Source: SyFy Portal


UPN is not pulling the plug on "Star Trek: Enterprise" yet.

Two sources have told SyFy Portal that UPN has decided to give the Star Trek spinoff series an initial 12-episode commitment for a fourth season, which could be renewed to a full 24 episodes. The network cited steady ratings against healthy competition for the decision.

Star Trek has been a mainstay for UPN during its near 10-year existence, beginning with "Star Trek: Voyager" in 1995 through the current third season of "Enterprise." The fifth series, however, has struggled in the ratings over the last few years, but did see some minor improvement with the new Xindi arc that began this year.

Two things that have hurt "Enterprise" this season has been the continued strong success of "American Idol" on Fox as well as the moving of "Smallville" to the same timeslot on main competitor The WB. While "Enterprise" may not receive its full season order as in previous seasons, the move does show that the people at Paramount and UPN are confident they can still continue with "Enterprise."

It's unclear whether or not executive producers and co-creators Brannon Braga and Rick Berman will continue to helm the series, however. An announcement to the fate of "Enterprise" is expected within the next two weeks.





I don't however see Enterprise hitting that magic 100 episodes even with a full season.  Also Syndication has not been the moneymaker that it used to be when TNG and DS9 were in production.  IMHO the best bet for Trek continuing for a long period of time would be if Paramount created its own Sci-Fi channel.  I know there was some interest back when the Sci-Fi / USA channels we up for sale and that Paramount was looking for a station to use as a 'clearing house' for its Trek series.  But ever since the Sci-Fi channel went to NBC things talk of creating a Sci-Fi channel have ceased.  I guess we will have to wait and see.
 

Rat_Boy

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Re: I actually enjoyed last night's Enterprise...
« Reply #31 on: May 14, 2004, 10:10:00 pm »
Old rumors.  Look, nothing from the people in the know (people who work on the show) indicates that it has been cancelled, which if it has been, I gurantee there would be plenty of word about it online right now.  So, unless UPN decides to reverse itself dramatically next week, so dramtically that none of the actors, staffers, and leakers see it coming or know ahead of time, ENT will be back.

FFZ

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Re: I actually enjoyed last night's Enterprise...
« Reply #32 on: May 14, 2004, 10:24:25 pm »
  It's not as if UPN has great shows to replace, the list in Variety sounds like a bore fest.

I also think people will tire of reality shows, I think they suck, but no fad lasts forever.
 

IndyShark

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Re: I actually enjoyed last night's Enterprise...
« Reply #33 on: May 16, 2004, 06:12:45 pm »
I'd like to see Ent continue for one more season and then come out with a new Star Trek Series. This one should be cannon, with a Constitution or Sovereign class starship exploring the galaxy. They need to remember why TOS/TNG/DS9 worked and look at why Ent did not. (at least as well).

Kick B&B out, get some new writers and FIRE them if they contradict prior art.    

IKV Nemesis D7L

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Re: I actually enjoyed last night's Enterprise...
« Reply #34 on: May 16, 2004, 06:31:03 pm »
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Kick B&B out, get some new writers and FIRE them if they contradict prior art.    




You don't fire them.  You burn them at the stake for heresy.  100% prevents recurrance of the crime.   First burning of B&B would be a salutory example to their successors.    

frazzle

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Re: I actually enjoyed last night's Enterprise...
« Reply #35 on: May 17, 2004, 09:55:55 am »
About this 'Birth of the Federation' thing...space battles and wars are all nice and great for a while, but I think the fans are really wanting to know about this unknown chapter in Trekkie lore. There has been really nothing about this in any of the shows, so it should be easy enough to come up with a consistant and believable plot - not this time travelling pap again.

Anyway, I have a TNG nit-pickers guide, and that touched on the subject about Star Trek's general ethintricity (I think) and the guy wanted to know whether the humans really spun the Federation into motion or just joined it when they came of age.

Anyway, what about the Andorians? In TOS, they were quite an aggressive species, but they wanted access to the Federation....

I smell...bull.....something or other  

FFZ

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Re: I actually enjoyed last night's Enterprise...
« Reply #36 on: May 17, 2004, 01:07:58 pm »
 According to "Journey to Babel" Andorians, like Tellerites and Orions, were member races of the Federation. We have yet to see Tellerites.    

IKV Nemesis D7L

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Re: I actually enjoyed last night's Enterprise...
« Reply #37 on: May 17, 2004, 05:12:55 pm »
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 We have yet to see Tellerites.    




We have not seen them on Enterprise but if I recall correctly they are the race that directed the Enterprise to the automated repair facility after the Romulan mine damaged the hull.  
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Khalee

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Re: I actually enjoyed last night's Enterprise...
« Reply #38 on: May 17, 2004, 05:20:44 pm »
I hated last nights Enterprise which would have been the rerun, I missed wensdays so I was going to watch it Sunday, but my cable went on the fritz Saturday morning and stayed down all day,  down all day Sunday as well And I couldnt see it. .

 

Scipio_66

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Re: I actually enjoyed last night's Enterprise...
« Reply #39 on: May 17, 2004, 11:43:17 pm »
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 We have yet to see Tellerites.    




We have not seen them on Enterprise but if I recall correctly they are the race that directed the Enterprise to the automated repair facility after the Romulan mine damaged the hull.  




They were the voices that directed Enterprise to the repair facility.

However, the bounty hunter that captured Archer and handed him over to the Klingon freightor was a Tellerite, and so was his brother.  (naturally enough.)  They bot got a hiney-load of screentime in that episode.

The mask was better than the one used in "Journey to Babel", but remained faithful to it, I thought.

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