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FFZ

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I actually enjoyed last night's Enterprise...
« on: May 13, 2004, 07:05:36 am »
 Much to my surprise, "The Council" was a tight and entertaining story, where the characters behaved in a logical manor.

The  reptillians and insectoids seem to have taken power, and are now bent on destroying earth in the name of their guardains (and a reptillian led Xindi empire), and it was good to see the aquatics side with the arborials and humanoids against them. The death of Degra was a little surprising, but it did seem to me it would happen when the reptilian leader arrived unannouced at his quaters.

My guess as to why Hoshi was captured at the end is the Reptillains want to use her abilites to get the final code they need to activate the weapon.

It's a shame it took till this show's seeming end to produce this kind of episode, which was good and made sense. There may yet be hope for the show, they are still saying season finale, not final episode.
 

David Ferrell

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« Reply #1 on: May 13, 2004, 10:30:07 am »
Yep I agree, a good episode, lots of drama and virtually no technobabble.

I also think you are right about why they grabbed Hoshi, I guess they
don't have their own cryptograhpers.

Thanks,

Dave

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« Reply #2 on: May 13, 2004, 10:48:23 am »
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Yep I agree, a good episode, lots of drama and virtually no technobabble.

I also think you are right about why they grabbed Hoshi, I guess they
don't have their own cryptograhpers.

Thanks,

Dave  




Well, I've heard from other Reptillian species, It's awfully hard to type in codes with those big Clumsy Fingers. Think about it for a second, If they could manage smaller tech reliably, they would have had Kroma out of that tutu along time ago.
 
BOT: I did like that episode also, That few seconds where all the ships where after running after the weapon was pretty cool also. It was also kinda surprising to see the Engineer lightning up a little bit after the Death of that one guy. sorry, Bad memory problems this morning.

Stephen

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« Reply #3 on: May 13, 2004, 11:43:10 am »
Definately better than last weeks.  Interesting how attached the crew and the audience got to Degra just to watch him, well, you know; very effective, that.  I think that it was also interesting and ironic to see Reed finally crack over the death of a MACO, of all people.

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Re: I actually enjoyed last night's Enterprise...
« Reply #4 on: May 13, 2004, 12:23:42 pm »
I totally agree with you; it was a very entertaining episode, very well done.  It even had spaceship battle scenes, even if brief.

I really hope Enterprise continues... maybe just change the opening theme song.

Javora

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Re: I actually enjoyed last night's Enterprise...
« Reply #5 on: May 13, 2004, 12:31:28 pm »
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Yep I agree, a good episode, lots of drama and virtually no technobabble.

I also think you are right about why they grabbed Hoshi, I guess they
don't have their own cryptograhpers.

Thanks,

Dave  




Does anyone remember that thread a while back in regards to Linda Park's open letter to her fans on her web site discussing the show and where the show was going?  I remember Linda saying that she "was at a crossroads".  I have to wonder now after seeing this episode if that open letter to her fans wasn't a swan song of sorts.  The previews said that not everyone would survive.  Personally I think it would be sad to see her go.  But she has to do what she thinks is best for her career.  Last nights episode was good however, it was nice to see some action with all of that dialog.
 

FFZ

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« Reply #6 on: May 13, 2004, 12:31:34 pm »
  I agree, I very much liked the Degra character, he seemed to me to be like J Robert Oppenhiemer, the guy that helped make the A-Bomb. Oppenheimer thought he was doing something to protect his own, regretted doing it, and was horrified when thousands of people were killed by his A-bombs. Degra acted exactly the same way, he was the first alien that seemed real in this series, I was sad to see him killed off.

Tripp is his name Sirgod, played Conner Trineer.

Dave, I still have hope, I guess Trek fans really are eternal optomists
Each night I try to catch DS 9, I had forgotten so many of those, its like a whole new show, my hope is that, finally, Enterprise is hitting its stride, just as they did, and TNG, even Voyager to a much lesser extent.

For once, they supported Trek lore, when T'Pol told Tripp about the Vulcan Axiom "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few."

I hope they bring it back for at least anotehr year.
 

FFZ

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« Reply #7 on: May 13, 2004, 12:39:56 pm »
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Yep I agree, a good episode, lots of drama and virtually no technobabble.

I also think you are right about why they grabbed Hoshi, I guess they
don't have their own cryptograhpers.

Thanks,

Dave  




Does anyone remember that thread a while back in regards to Linda Park's open letter to her fans on her web site discussing the show and where the show was going?  I remember Linda saying that she "was at a crossroads".  I have to wonder now after seeing this episode if that open letter to her fans wasn't a swan song of sorts.  The previews said that not everyone would survive.  Personally I think it would be sad to see her go.  But she has to do what she thinks is best for her career.  Last nights episode was good however, it was nice to see some action with all of that dialog.
   


I agree she is the one who will be killed. Her character just seemed to get little work, and really, is a bit unbelievable. It seems a strech that someone could understand so many languages so quickly, she has become a 'human universal translator'  which, in my mind, is like having a holodeck, an easy cop-out plot device.

She is cute though!
 

Javora

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Re: I actually enjoyed last night's Enterprise...
« Reply #8 on: May 13, 2004, 12:50:34 pm »
I agree, Linda has gotten little if any work on that show as of late, sad to, she has more ability than half of the other cast members.  The only other person I could think of is the Mayweather character (sorry his real name eludes me at the moment) or maybe even the maco commander.
 

Age

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Re: I actually enjoyed last night's Enterprise...
« Reply #9 on: May 13, 2004, 01:35:59 pm »
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I totally agree with you; it was a very entertaining episode, very well done.  It even had spaceship battle scenes, even if brief.

I really hope Enterprise continues... maybe just change the opening theme song.  


I like the theme song well the one in the first season and I like opening and yes last night was a good episode I think there still one more.I would like the theme song from the first season I don't want any Star Trek theme song TOS or TNG.Thats all Thanks    

Sten

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Re: I actually enjoyed last night's Enterprise...
« Reply #10 on: May 13, 2004, 02:12:01 pm »
I think for the season finale they are going to kill off all the MACO's.

We haven't had a decent red shirt kill off in three seasons of Enterprise.

My money is the MACO's get decimated saving the ship and crew.

Daew Anahos

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Re: I actually enjoyed last night's Enterprise...
« Reply #11 on: May 13, 2004, 02:17:56 pm »
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 Much to my surprise, "The Council" was a tight and entertaining story, where the characters behaved in a logical manor.

The  reptillians and insectoids seem to have taken power, and are now bent on destroying earth in the name of their guardains (and a reptillian led Xindi empire), and it was good to see the aquatics side with the arborials and humanoids against them. The death of Degra was a little surprising, but it did seem to me it would happen when the reptilian leader arrived unannouced at his quaters.

My guess as to why Hoshi was captured at the end is the Reptillains want to use her abilites to get the final code they need to activate the weapon.

It's a shame it took till this show's seeming end to produce this kind of episode, which was good and made sense. There may yet be hope for the show, they are still saying season finale, not final episode.
 




I was suprised in finding my self glued to the screen. Last week's (first Enterprise I have watched in quite a while) episode let me down but last night's - WOW!

 I also knew the instant that the scene started that the reptilian leader was going to kill Derga. Something screamed from the opening of that scene. I agree also that having Trip (was that the correct character?) make peace with Derga was a very nice slice of character devlopement and also Derga understanding why Trip hates him. The Coucil scenes rocked leading up to the ever popular battle scene and the abduction of Hoshi. I'm hooked for next week and am going to catch this week's rerun again locally.

The best line was after one of the Insectoid's tossed Archer on his butt and said something and Archer asked what they said.

Hoshi: You don't want to know.


Now, this is Trek!   One of the coolest TNG arcs was the Klingon Civil War. A Xindi Civil war would be even more interesting.

BTW: The other Xindi like Derga, I know the actor, who is he and where have I seen him before in Trek?    

Sten

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« Reply #12 on: May 13, 2004, 02:24:30 pm »
Maybe not Trek but he played the Admiral of the USS Saratoga in Space above and Beyond.

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Re: I actually enjoyed last night's Enterprise...
« Reply #13 on: May 13, 2004, 02:25:17 pm »
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BTW: The other Xindi like Derga, I know the actor, who is he and where have I seen him before in Trek?    



Tucker Smallwood: You may be remembering him as Commodore Glen Van Ross ("Space: Above and Beyond" (1995) TV Series)  

Daew Anahos

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Re: I actually enjoyed last night's Enterprise...
« Reply #14 on: May 13, 2004, 02:34:30 pm »
Sten and DM: Yep, bingo, just made the mental connetion after you both posted. Thanks!  I thought it was Trek.  SAAB was an awesome program. Yet another good sci-fi program that bit the dust.  

FFZ

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Re: I actually enjoyed last night's Enterprise...
« Reply #15 on: May 13, 2004, 02:39:05 pm »
  That show had some good moments, but seemed to get bogged down in boredom at times.

Back to Enterprise, the ship again took a severe beating, it will be tough to get back in the hunt for the last few episodes. I wonder if they can warn Earth, and maybe, just maybe, those so-far useless Vulcans can spare some ships to protect the Earth.

Not likely.

It would be cool if they did, with some andorians, it could be the long awaited 'birth' of the Federation we all want to see.
 

E_Look

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« Reply #16 on: May 13, 2004, 10:49:22 pm »
 
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... the long awaited 'birth' of the Federation we all want to see.




I'm with you there!  That would give me goosebumps to watch!  

Rat_Boy

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« Reply #17 on: May 14, 2004, 10:33:04 am »
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  It would be cool if they did, with some andorians, it could be the long awaited 'birth' of the Federation we all want to see.  





The birth of the Federation will be seen a lot sooner than you think.

FFZ

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Re: I actually enjoyed last night's Enterprise...
« Reply #18 on: May 14, 2004, 12:24:53 pm »
 The sooner the better. We are now six days from 'X' day, when they annouce if Enterprise is renewed or not. There is an enormous amount of 'save enterprise' web sites and letter thing, but Trek had been able to do that for years for its shows.

I wonder just how accurate the ratings are, I bet more people watch then the rating services say.
 
 

Alidar Jarok

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« Reply #19 on: May 14, 2004, 01:38:31 pm »
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For once, they supported Trek lore, when T'Pol told Tripp about the Vulcan Axiom "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few."





Yes, that famous Vulcan line from a Tale of Two Cities

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I hope they bring it back for at least anotehr year.
 




I hope so too.  I wouldn't be suprised if Neilson ratings aren't telling the whole story, but its also just possible that the people who left haven't really given it a second chance.  It is kinda annoying that, no matter what I watch, I have no impact on ratings.
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Rat_Boy

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Re: I actually enjoyed last night's Enterprise...
« Reply #20 on: May 14, 2004, 01:41:24 pm »
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 The sooner the better. We are now six days from 'X' day, when they annouce if Enterprise is renewed or not. There is an enormous amount of 'save enterprise' web sites and letter thing, but Trek had been able to do that for years for its shows.

I wonder just how accurate the ratings are, I bet more people watch then the rating services say.
 
 





Trust me, we are *very* close to actually seeing the birth of the Federation, so close that it doesn't matter if the show gets renewed or not.  Trust me.  

FFZ

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Re: I actually enjoyed last night's Enterprise...
« Reply #21 on: May 14, 2004, 02:10:24 pm »
  Another criptic comment for Rat boy...out with it, what do know!    

Rat_Boy

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Re: I actually enjoyed last night's Enterprise...
« Reply #22 on: May 14, 2004, 02:23:54 pm »
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According to the always accurate insider "Morpheus" from the TrekBBS, Daniels will, for some reason, take Archer ahead seven years into the future to witness or just show him the signing of the Federation charter.

E_Look

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« Reply #23 on: May 14, 2004, 02:35:17 pm »
Hey, RatBoy!   That doesn't count!!!

I meant I'd like to see it happen in Enterprise over the next few seasons, with episodes in between with infighting among Earth, Vulcan, Andoria, and Tellar, with the Klingons doing the Soviet thing to our incipient interstellar NATO and the shadowy Romulans doing the Red China thing to both!

(Hint hint to Paramount!)

Dogmatix!

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« Reply #24 on: May 14, 2004, 02:55:41 pm »
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For once, they supported Trek lore, when T'Pol told Tripp about the Vulcan Axiom "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few."









Yes, that famous Vulcan line from a Tale of Two Cities

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I hope they bring it back for at least anotehr year.
 




I hope so too.  I wouldn't be suprised if Neilson ratings aren't telling the whole story, but its also just possible that the people who left haven't really given it a second chance.  It is kinda annoying that, no matter what I watch, I have no impact on ratings.  






I hear that...show after show that I watch has been getting canned.  Thankfully, HBO keeps coming out with good series to replace the broadcast network shows I used to watch.



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Re: I actually enjoyed last night's Enterprise...
« Reply #25 on: May 14, 2004, 03:06:05 pm »
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 The sooner the better. We are now six days from 'X' day, when they annouce if Enterprise is renewed or not. There is an enormous amount of 'save enterprise' web sites and letter thing, but Trek had been able to do that for years for its shows.

I wonder just how accurate the ratings are, I bet more people watch then the rating services say.
 
 




The end is nigh:

http://www.lowerdecks.com/cgi/news.cgi?act=shownews&item=00000422

*dons end of the ST world* T-shirt.

It does not look good, IMHO.  Too much "maybe it's time Star Trek took a breather" CYA disclaimer talk from Berman.  I'm sure Paramount still has a bad taste in its mouth about the paltry and embarassing domestic  $43 million gross of the Nemesis movie. Plus, UPN does not seem to be interested in Sci-Fi genre anymore with all its reality shows.

Am leaning slightly to the side of Enterprise being cancelled now.  

http://www.greatlink.org/dcisV2.asp?url=shownewsitem.asp?item=3399

I hope I'm wrong but if the Variety magazine rumors are correct then....  
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FFZ

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« Reply #26 on: May 14, 2004, 03:41:22 pm »
  Looks like the end.

If there is ever another Trek, I hope they will be smart, and go the syndicated route that TNG and DS9 followed to enormous suscess. Both of those shows were outside of Neilson's suspect rating system.

It is even possible Enterprise could be taken over for syndication, ever since UPN network got its hooks into Trek, its been lack-luster.

Perhaps the only good that comes of it is Paramount will allow companies like Taldren to again produce Trek games with interference, and the Thoilians and Andromedains will finally arrive, and another game will allow playable Kardassian and Dominion ships.
 

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Re: I actually enjoyed last night's Enterprise...
« Reply #27 on: May 14, 2004, 03:49:32 pm »
I am much of the opinion that Neilson Ratings are quite outdated even with the introduction of demographic sorting of ratings shortly after Kaiser Broadcasting started guessing about Star Trek would be most popular to the male teens and 20s demographic and when would be the best time to appeal to them back in nineteen seventy-something. It's stupid to have such small sampling ratings when, courtesy of the internet, you can increase the sampling exponentially. Also Syndication is much better for a Trek show. Star Trek tends to have a cult type following. It's not like a series one normally makes for a network. And if nothing else, I hope the next Trek series is done by fans, rather than B&B. Those two pay too much attn to the bottom line and not enough to the quality of the shows.  

Rat_Boy

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« Reply #28 on: May 14, 2004, 06:49:46 pm »
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That doesn't count!!!





Yes it does.  That's technically seeing the birth of the Federation.


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http://www.lowerdecks.com/cgi/news.cgi?act=shownews&item=00000422





The report is suspect, since Paramount doesn't do public tours and since it chooses to use the word "tear down."  According to interviews with a couple of the actors, construction work was scheduled to begin on the 12th of this month for the next season.  Since the standing sets for the ship have been blown apart twice over during the latter part of the season, it would take a lot of work to restore them and it's likely they decided just to take everything apart and start from scratch rather than try to build over it.  The story's an...overreaction, to put it mildly.

Edit: It also did not elaborate as to what sets were being "torn down."  Since the Xindi arc ended with the season finale, chances are they decided to tear down the Xindi sets.  Also, I have read elsewhere that if any form of set construction is going on, tours of other studios usually get cancelled for insurance reasons.


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http://www.greatlink.org/dcisV2.asp?url=shownewsitem.asp?item=3399





Again, this report and the wording of it is suspect.  If it was to be cancelled, the decision would have already been made and announced.  Variety, like all Hollywood rags, is not 100% accurate.   So far, from all indications, ENT will be back next year.
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FFZ

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« Reply #29 on: May 14, 2004, 07:23:33 pm »
 There is one enormus factor in favor of another year, one more season will put the number of shows past the magic 100 episodes that are needed for profitable rerun packages.

I sure would love to see the show out of UPN and B&B's control.

All of here, at this board, could write a better episdoe guidline then what they use.
 
 

Javora

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Re: I actually enjoyed last night's Enterprise...
« Reply #30 on: May 14, 2004, 08:45:42 pm »
Has something changed that I don't know about??

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'Star Trek: Enterprise' To Get 12-Ep Renewal

Author: Michael Hinman
Date: 03-30-2004
Source: SyFy Portal


UPN is not pulling the plug on "Star Trek: Enterprise" yet.

Two sources have told SyFy Portal that UPN has decided to give the Star Trek spinoff series an initial 12-episode commitment for a fourth season, which could be renewed to a full 24 episodes. The network cited steady ratings against healthy competition for the decision.

Star Trek has been a mainstay for UPN during its near 10-year existence, beginning with "Star Trek: Voyager" in 1995 through the current third season of "Enterprise." The fifth series, however, has struggled in the ratings over the last few years, but did see some minor improvement with the new Xindi arc that began this year.

Two things that have hurt "Enterprise" this season has been the continued strong success of "American Idol" on Fox as well as the moving of "Smallville" to the same timeslot on main competitor The WB. While "Enterprise" may not receive its full season order as in previous seasons, the move does show that the people at Paramount and UPN are confident they can still continue with "Enterprise."

It's unclear whether or not executive producers and co-creators Brannon Braga and Rick Berman will continue to helm the series, however. An announcement to the fate of "Enterprise" is expected within the next two weeks.





I don't however see Enterprise hitting that magic 100 episodes even with a full season.  Also Syndication has not been the moneymaker that it used to be when TNG and DS9 were in production.  IMHO the best bet for Trek continuing for a long period of time would be if Paramount created its own Sci-Fi channel.  I know there was some interest back when the Sci-Fi / USA channels we up for sale and that Paramount was looking for a station to use as a 'clearing house' for its Trek series.  But ever since the Sci-Fi channel went to NBC things talk of creating a Sci-Fi channel have ceased.  I guess we will have to wait and see.
 

Rat_Boy

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Re: I actually enjoyed last night's Enterprise...
« Reply #31 on: May 14, 2004, 10:10:00 pm »
Old rumors.  Look, nothing from the people in the know (people who work on the show) indicates that it has been cancelled, which if it has been, I gurantee there would be plenty of word about it online right now.  So, unless UPN decides to reverse itself dramatically next week, so dramtically that none of the actors, staffers, and leakers see it coming or know ahead of time, ENT will be back.

FFZ

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Re: I actually enjoyed last night's Enterprise...
« Reply #32 on: May 14, 2004, 10:24:25 pm »
  It's not as if UPN has great shows to replace, the list in Variety sounds like a bore fest.

I also think people will tire of reality shows, I think they suck, but no fad lasts forever.
 

IndyShark

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Re: I actually enjoyed last night's Enterprise...
« Reply #33 on: May 16, 2004, 06:12:45 pm »
I'd like to see Ent continue for one more season and then come out with a new Star Trek Series. This one should be cannon, with a Constitution or Sovereign class starship exploring the galaxy. They need to remember why TOS/TNG/DS9 worked and look at why Ent did not. (at least as well).

Kick B&B out, get some new writers and FIRE them if they contradict prior art.    

IKV Nemesis D7L

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« Reply #34 on: May 16, 2004, 06:31:03 pm »
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Kick B&B out, get some new writers and FIRE them if they contradict prior art.    




You don't fire them.  You burn them at the stake for heresy.  100% prevents recurrance of the crime.   First burning of B&B would be a salutory example to their successors.    

frazzle

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« Reply #35 on: May 17, 2004, 09:55:55 am »
About this 'Birth of the Federation' thing...space battles and wars are all nice and great for a while, but I think the fans are really wanting to know about this unknown chapter in Trekkie lore. There has been really nothing about this in any of the shows, so it should be easy enough to come up with a consistant and believable plot - not this time travelling pap again.

Anyway, I have a TNG nit-pickers guide, and that touched on the subject about Star Trek's general ethintricity (I think) and the guy wanted to know whether the humans really spun the Federation into motion or just joined it when they came of age.

Anyway, what about the Andorians? In TOS, they were quite an aggressive species, but they wanted access to the Federation....

I smell...bull.....something or other  

FFZ

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« Reply #36 on: May 17, 2004, 01:07:58 pm »
 According to "Journey to Babel" Andorians, like Tellerites and Orions, were member races of the Federation. We have yet to see Tellerites.    

IKV Nemesis D7L

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« Reply #37 on: May 17, 2004, 05:12:55 pm »
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 We have yet to see Tellerites.    




We have not seen them on Enterprise but if I recall correctly they are the race that directed the Enterprise to the automated repair facility after the Romulan mine damaged the hull.  
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Khalee

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« Reply #38 on: May 17, 2004, 05:20:44 pm »
I hated last nights Enterprise which would have been the rerun, I missed wensdays so I was going to watch it Sunday, but my cable went on the fritz Saturday morning and stayed down all day,  down all day Sunday as well And I couldnt see it. .

 

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« Reply #39 on: May 17, 2004, 11:43:17 pm »
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 We have yet to see Tellerites.    




We have not seen them on Enterprise but if I recall correctly they are the race that directed the Enterprise to the automated repair facility after the Romulan mine damaged the hull.  




They were the voices that directed Enterprise to the repair facility.

However, the bounty hunter that captured Archer and handed him over to the Klingon freightor was a Tellerite, and so was his brother.  (naturally enough.)  They bot got a hiney-load of screentime in that episode.

The mask was better than the one used in "Journey to Babel", but remained faithful to it, I thought.

-S'Cipio

FFZ

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« Reply #40 on: May 18, 2004, 11:27:48 am »
  Vaguely rememer  that.

Well, we are close, 2 days till X day, but it seems the writer of "The Council" make take the show over, and B&B are out is the latest rumor.
 

IKV Nemesis D7L

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« Reply #41 on: May 18, 2004, 05:04:50 pm »
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 We have yet to see Tellerites.    




We have not seen them on Enterprise but if I recall correctly they are the race that directed the Enterprise to the automated repair facility after the Romulan mine damaged the hull.  




They were the voices that directed Enterprise to the repair facility.

However, the bounty hunter that captured Archer and handed him over to the Klingon freightor was a Tellerite, and so was his brother.  (naturally enough.)  They bot got a hiney-load of screentime in that episode.

The mask was better than the one used in "Journey to Babel", but remained faithful to it, I thought.

-S'Cipio  




I missed that one.  Thanks for the info.  Maybe I will catch a rerun sometime.  

FFZ

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Re: I actually enjoyed last night's Enterprise...
« Reply #42 on: May 19, 2004, 06:04:51 am »
 More rumors, the guys that play Trip and Malcolm have been told to report for work, and save Enterprise.com says the show is renewed.

Tomorrow we will know, I hope the rumor about the writer guy taking over is true, a fresh approach is badly needed.
 
 

Rat_Boy

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« Reply #43 on: May 19, 2004, 10:19:53 am »
Variety's also reporting ENT is back...

...though it will be moving to Fridays.

digi

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« Reply #44 on: May 19, 2004, 11:01:01 am »
Its still on Wednesday nights at the moment I take it then.  
Sky One over here has caught up quite a bit having just screened E2 last Monday.
So what was last nights episode like then?  Any views?

FFZ

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Re: I actually enjoyed last night's Enterprise...
« Reply #45 on: May 19, 2004, 12:40:57 pm »
  It is on tonight, not last night.  

digi

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« Reply #46 on: May 20, 2004, 03:21:12 am »
Doh!

That's embrassing. Getting my days mixed up.  I think I need to use up some of my holiday allowance and get some rest!!!

Sirgod

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Re: I actually enjoyed last night's Enterprise...
« Reply #47 on: May 20, 2004, 09:09:43 am »
Heh, Now It's last night so I can post. Pretty good Episode IMHO. That Head marine rocked in this Episode, and went out like the hero he was. I have a feeling though we haven't seen the last of the Insectoid Xindi either. 10 hours to go untill It reaches earth. Nice build up comeing to the final episode.  

Stephen

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Re: I actually enjoyed last night's Enterprise...
« Reply #48 on: May 20, 2004, 09:33:22 am »
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Heh, Now It's last night so I can post. Pretty good Episode IMHO. That Head marine rocked in this Episode, and went out like the hero he was. I have a feeling though we haven't seen the last of the Insectoid Xindi either. 10 hours to go untill It reaches earth. Nice build up comeing to the final episode.  

Stephen  




Me, I would have sent only 1 person on that second escape beamout.
.. and then 2 on the last, increasing survival chances.
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FFZ

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Re: I actually enjoyed last night's Enterprise...
« Reply #49 on: May 20, 2004, 10:25:06 am »
  Yep, 'Countdown' was another excellent episode, it took three years, but this show finally hit its stride.

It wasn't Hoshi who was killed, but the head Maco, which seems a bit of a copout, he wasn't a main character, the Macos always seemed just for this mission.

The Reptillains have now betrayed the Insectoids, who rightly saw that the Guardians do indeed control the spheres, so the satge is set for the Reptillains to be hit by all the other Xindi races.

Still no offical word from UPN on Enterprise's renewal, word is expected any minute.
 

Sirgod

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Re: I actually enjoyed last night's Enterprise...
« Reply #50 on: May 20, 2004, 10:33:51 am »
I believe that TV guide Posted that It was picked up for Season 4. Look in the interactive Forums here. acid rain posted a link.

Stephen

Sten

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Re: I actually enjoyed last night's Enterprise...
« Reply #51 on: May 20, 2004, 11:47:53 am »
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Me, I would have sent only 1 person on that second escape beamout.
.. and then 2 on the last, increasing survival chances.  




Nah he exercised sound leadership he took care of the welfare of his people before looking out for his own welfare.

Now how many MACO buy the farm next week? 1...2... or all 3?

Bring on the red shirts reinstitute a TOS tradition.

KIllem all let Gene sort them out

Age

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Re: I actually enjoyed last night's Enterprise...
« Reply #52 on: May 20, 2004, 11:57:18 am »
  They are just like an Extra in a red shirt you know back in TOS.It was when the ship security would end up dead and what shirts were they wearing red.This is not to scare our Extra in a red shirts off though.I hope you get my drift.  

FFZ

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Re: I actually enjoyed last night's Enterprise...
« Reply #53 on: May 20, 2004, 12:23:23 pm »
 Trek Today confirms the show is renewed for another year.

 http://www.trektoday.com/news/200504_01.shtml
 

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Re: I actually enjoyed last night's Enterprise...
« Reply #54 on: May 20, 2004, 12:25:32 pm »
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The Reptillains have now betrayed the Insectoids, who rightly saw that the Guardians do indeed control the spheres, so the satge is set for the Reptillains to be hit by all the other Xindi races.




Reptiliansss sshould be the mossst peaceful speciesss on the show.  Jussst look at my wonderful Gorn, for example.  We are the only race in the SFB universsse never to have ssstarted (or at least threatened to start) an offensssive war againssst another empire.  Inssstead we live peacefully and only ressspond to attacksss.  

The ussse of the Reptiliansss as villiansss in this program is clearly racist propaganda ssspread by the warm-blooded.  I expect Gorn defamation to begin spreading all acrossss earth now that thessse vile and hateful messages are being broadcassst, which is clearly what B&B intend.  They are bigotsss.  They ssshould be forced to pay (me) large sumsss of money and to issue a public apology.

On second thought, I don't care ssso much about the apology part.  But the monetary sssettlement (to me) should be massive.

Don't be surprisssed by the Million Gorn March on Paramount studiosss next weekend.

On a positive note, I do like the Reptilain commander's sun-lamp chair.  I must get me one of those.

-S'Cipio  

Age

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Re: I actually enjoyed last night's Enterprise...
« Reply #55 on: May 20, 2004, 12:35:35 pm »
    That is great a friend of mine will be gald to hear that.I know it has't been great all that great but this is the only Star Trek show on right now and she is a really big fan as she has all the show on tape.She was a member of a fan club but it disbanded.She will be glad to hear this as she can not get into Star Trek gaming no strategy games for her.    

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Re: I actually enjoyed last night's Enterprise...
« Reply #56 on: May 20, 2004, 12:36:36 pm »
Us ISC frogs would like to file an official protest with Paramount that our brother Xindi Aquatics lost their ship.

That simply won't do. We want the time guys to rewind that show and stop the anomaly from smashing up the Aquatic ship so that it can go back to blowing everything up.
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Sten

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Re: I actually enjoyed last night's Enterprise...
« Reply #57 on: May 20, 2004, 01:22:21 pm »
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Us ISC frogs would like to file an official protest with Paramount that our brother Xindi Aquatics lost their ship.

That simply won't do. We want the time guys to rewind that show and stop the anomaly from smashing up the Aquatic ship so that it can go back to blowing everything up.  




Its kind of funny last night when the aquatic ship was destroyed my wife who I thought only shared a glancing interest in Enterprise.  Let out a nice big "OH no! They killed the fishy people."

Sirgod

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Re: I actually enjoyed last night's Enterprise...
« Reply #58 on: May 20, 2004, 01:48:10 pm »
Quote:

Quote:

Us ISC frogs would like to file an official protest with Paramount that our brother Xindi Aquatics lost their ship.

That simply won't do. We want the time guys to rewind that show and stop the anomaly from smashing up the Aquatic ship so that it can go back to blowing everything up.  




Its kind of funny last night when the aquatic ship was destroyed my wife who I thought only shared a glancing interest in Enterprise.  Let out a nice big "OH no! They killed the fishy people."  




 

there ship was Very cool though. I loved the small scene where they launched the enterprise from there Berth. it's an Instant classic IMHO.

Stephen

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Re: I actually enjoyed last night's Enterprise...
« Reply #59 on: May 20, 2004, 01:58:23 pm »
Yeah, Sirgod, that was one of my favorite scenes in the episode, aside from the outright ship shooting.  "Fishy people"... like the timefish-ish space guild members of Dune... and other people's spaceships are carried by their spacetime ships and released when they reach the destination!

Hey, this is kind of as good as Starfleet/Klingons/Romulans battling the Cardassians/Dominion!  Now this is good TV sci-fi!  

FFZ

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I actually enjoyed last night's Enterprise...
« Reply #60 on: May 13, 2004, 07:05:36 am »
 Much to my surprise, "The Council" was a tight and entertaining story, where the characters behaved in a logical manor.

The  reptillians and insectoids seem to have taken power, and are now bent on destroying earth in the name of their guardains (and a reptillian led Xindi empire), and it was good to see the aquatics side with the arborials and humanoids against them. The death of Degra was a little surprising, but it did seem to me it would happen when the reptilian leader arrived unannouced at his quaters.

My guess as to why Hoshi was captured at the end is the Reptillains want to use her abilites to get the final code they need to activate the weapon.

It's a shame it took till this show's seeming end to produce this kind of episode, which was good and made sense. There may yet be hope for the show, they are still saying season finale, not final episode.
 

David Ferrell

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Re: I actually enjoyed last night's Enterprise...
« Reply #61 on: May 13, 2004, 10:30:07 am »
Yep I agree, a good episode, lots of drama and virtually no technobabble.

I also think you are right about why they grabbed Hoshi, I guess they
don't have their own cryptograhpers.

Thanks,

Dave

Sirgod

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Re: I actually enjoyed last night's Enterprise...
« Reply #62 on: May 13, 2004, 10:48:23 am »
Quote:

Yep I agree, a good episode, lots of drama and virtually no technobabble.

I also think you are right about why they grabbed Hoshi, I guess they
don't have their own cryptograhpers.

Thanks,

Dave  




Well, I've heard from other Reptillian species, It's awfully hard to type in codes with those big Clumsy Fingers. Think about it for a second, If they could manage smaller tech reliably, they would have had Kroma out of that tutu along time ago.
 
BOT: I did like that episode also, That few seconds where all the ships where after running after the weapon was pretty cool also. It was also kinda surprising to see the Engineer lightning up a little bit after the Death of that one guy. sorry, Bad memory problems this morning.

Stephen

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Re: I actually enjoyed last night's Enterprise...
« Reply #63 on: May 13, 2004, 11:43:10 am »
Definately better than last weeks.  Interesting how attached the crew and the audience got to Degra just to watch him, well, you know; very effective, that.  I think that it was also interesting and ironic to see Reed finally crack over the death of a MACO, of all people.

E_Look

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Re: I actually enjoyed last night's Enterprise...
« Reply #64 on: May 13, 2004, 12:23:42 pm »
I totally agree with you; it was a very entertaining episode, very well done.  It even had spaceship battle scenes, even if brief.

I really hope Enterprise continues... maybe just change the opening theme song.

Javora

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Re: I actually enjoyed last night's Enterprise...
« Reply #65 on: May 13, 2004, 12:31:28 pm »
Quote:

Yep I agree, a good episode, lots of drama and virtually no technobabble.

I also think you are right about why they grabbed Hoshi, I guess they
don't have their own cryptograhpers.

Thanks,

Dave  




Does anyone remember that thread a while back in regards to Linda Park's open letter to her fans on her web site discussing the show and where the show was going?  I remember Linda saying that she "was at a crossroads".  I have to wonder now after seeing this episode if that open letter to her fans wasn't a swan song of sorts.  The previews said that not everyone would survive.  Personally I think it would be sad to see her go.  But she has to do what she thinks is best for her career.  Last nights episode was good however, it was nice to see some action with all of that dialog.
 

FFZ

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Re: I actually enjoyed last night's Enterprise...
« Reply #66 on: May 13, 2004, 12:31:34 pm »
  I agree, I very much liked the Degra character, he seemed to me to be like J Robert Oppenhiemer, the guy that helped make the A-Bomb. Oppenheimer thought he was doing something to protect his own, regretted doing it, and was horrified when thousands of people were killed by his A-bombs. Degra acted exactly the same way, he was the first alien that seemed real in this series, I was sad to see him killed off.

Tripp is his name Sirgod, played Conner Trineer.

Dave, I still have hope, I guess Trek fans really are eternal optomists
Each night I try to catch DS 9, I had forgotten so many of those, its like a whole new show, my hope is that, finally, Enterprise is hitting its stride, just as they did, and TNG, even Voyager to a much lesser extent.

For once, they supported Trek lore, when T'Pol told Tripp about the Vulcan Axiom "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few."

I hope they bring it back for at least anotehr year.
 

FFZ

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Re: I actually enjoyed last night's Enterprise...
« Reply #67 on: May 13, 2004, 12:39:56 pm »
Quote:

Quote:

Yep I agree, a good episode, lots of drama and virtually no technobabble.

I also think you are right about why they grabbed Hoshi, I guess they
don't have their own cryptograhpers.

Thanks,

Dave  




Does anyone remember that thread a while back in regards to Linda Park's open letter to her fans on her web site discussing the show and where the show was going?  I remember Linda saying that she "was at a crossroads".  I have to wonder now after seeing this episode if that open letter to her fans wasn't a swan song of sorts.  The previews said that not everyone would survive.  Personally I think it would be sad to see her go.  But she has to do what she thinks is best for her career.  Last nights episode was good however, it was nice to see some action with all of that dialog.
   


I agree she is the one who will be killed. Her character just seemed to get little work, and really, is a bit unbelievable. It seems a strech that someone could understand so many languages so quickly, she has become a 'human universal translator'  which, in my mind, is like having a holodeck, an easy cop-out plot device.

She is cute though!
 

Javora

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Re: I actually enjoyed last night's Enterprise...
« Reply #68 on: May 13, 2004, 12:50:34 pm »
I agree, Linda has gotten little if any work on that show as of late, sad to, she has more ability than half of the other cast members.  The only other person I could think of is the Mayweather character (sorry his real name eludes me at the moment) or maybe even the maco commander.
 

Age

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Re: I actually enjoyed last night's Enterprise...
« Reply #69 on: May 13, 2004, 01:35:59 pm »
Quote:

I totally agree with you; it was a very entertaining episode, very well done.  It even had spaceship battle scenes, even if brief.

I really hope Enterprise continues... maybe just change the opening theme song.  


I like the theme song well the one in the first season and I like opening and yes last night was a good episode I think there still one more.I would like the theme song from the first season I don't want any Star Trek theme song TOS or TNG.Thats all Thanks    

Sten

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Re: I actually enjoyed last night's Enterprise...
« Reply #70 on: May 13, 2004, 02:12:01 pm »
I think for the season finale they are going to kill off all the MACO's.

We haven't had a decent red shirt kill off in three seasons of Enterprise.

My money is the MACO's get decimated saving the ship and crew.

Daew Anahos

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Re: I actually enjoyed last night's Enterprise...
« Reply #71 on: May 13, 2004, 02:17:56 pm »
Quote:

 Much to my surprise, "The Council" was a tight and entertaining story, where the characters behaved in a logical manor.

The  reptillians and insectoids seem to have taken power, and are now bent on destroying earth in the name of their guardains (and a reptillian led Xindi empire), and it was good to see the aquatics side with the arborials and humanoids against them. The death of Degra was a little surprising, but it did seem to me it would happen when the reptilian leader arrived unannouced at his quaters.

My guess as to why Hoshi was captured at the end is the Reptillains want to use her abilites to get the final code they need to activate the weapon.

It's a shame it took till this show's seeming end to produce this kind of episode, which was good and made sense. There may yet be hope for the show, they are still saying season finale, not final episode.
 




I was suprised in finding my self glued to the screen. Last week's (first Enterprise I have watched in quite a while) episode let me down but last night's - WOW!

 I also knew the instant that the scene started that the reptilian leader was going to kill Derga. Something screamed from the opening of that scene. I agree also that having Trip (was that the correct character?) make peace with Derga was a very nice slice of character devlopement and also Derga understanding why Trip hates him. The Coucil scenes rocked leading up to the ever popular battle scene and the abduction of Hoshi. I'm hooked for next week and am going to catch this week's rerun again locally.

The best line was after one of the Insectoid's tossed Archer on his butt and said something and Archer asked what they said.

Hoshi: You don't want to know.


Now, this is Trek!   One of the coolest TNG arcs was the Klingon Civil War. A Xindi Civil war would be even more interesting.

BTW: The other Xindi like Derga, I know the actor, who is he and where have I seen him before in Trek?    

Sten

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Re: I actually enjoyed last night's Enterprise...
« Reply #72 on: May 13, 2004, 02:24:30 pm »
Maybe not Trek but he played the Admiral of the USS Saratoga in Space above and Beyond.

Death_Merchant

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Re: I actually enjoyed last night's Enterprise...
« Reply #73 on: May 13, 2004, 02:25:17 pm »
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BTW: The other Xindi like Derga, I know the actor, who is he and where have I seen him before in Trek?    



Tucker Smallwood: You may be remembering him as Commodore Glen Van Ross ("Space: Above and Beyond" (1995) TV Series)  

Daew Anahos

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Re: I actually enjoyed last night's Enterprise...
« Reply #74 on: May 13, 2004, 02:34:30 pm »
Sten and DM: Yep, bingo, just made the mental connetion after you both posted. Thanks!  I thought it was Trek.  SAAB was an awesome program. Yet another good sci-fi program that bit the dust.  

FFZ

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Re: I actually enjoyed last night's Enterprise...
« Reply #75 on: May 13, 2004, 02:39:05 pm »
  That show had some good moments, but seemed to get bogged down in boredom at times.

Back to Enterprise, the ship again took a severe beating, it will be tough to get back in the hunt for the last few episodes. I wonder if they can warn Earth, and maybe, just maybe, those so-far useless Vulcans can spare some ships to protect the Earth.

Not likely.

It would be cool if they did, with some andorians, it could be the long awaited 'birth' of the Federation we all want to see.
 

E_Look

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Re: I actually enjoyed last night's Enterprise...
« Reply #76 on: May 13, 2004, 10:49:22 pm »
 
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... the long awaited 'birth' of the Federation we all want to see.




I'm with you there!  That would give me goosebumps to watch!  

Rat_Boy

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Re: I actually enjoyed last night's Enterprise...
« Reply #77 on: May 14, 2004, 10:33:04 am »
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  It would be cool if they did, with some andorians, it could be the long awaited 'birth' of the Federation we all want to see.  





The birth of the Federation will be seen a lot sooner than you think.

FFZ

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Re: I actually enjoyed last night's Enterprise...
« Reply #78 on: May 14, 2004, 12:24:53 pm »
 The sooner the better. We are now six days from 'X' day, when they annouce if Enterprise is renewed or not. There is an enormous amount of 'save enterprise' web sites and letter thing, but Trek had been able to do that for years for its shows.

I wonder just how accurate the ratings are, I bet more people watch then the rating services say.
 
 

Alidar Jarok

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Re: I actually enjoyed last night's Enterprise...
« Reply #79 on: May 14, 2004, 01:38:31 pm »
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For once, they supported Trek lore, when T'Pol told Tripp about the Vulcan Axiom "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few."





Yes, that famous Vulcan line from a Tale of Two Cities

Quote:


I hope they bring it back for at least anotehr year.
 




I hope so too.  I wouldn't be suprised if Neilson ratings aren't telling the whole story, but its also just possible that the people who left haven't really given it a second chance.  It is kinda annoying that, no matter what I watch, I have no impact on ratings.
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Rat_Boy

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Re: I actually enjoyed last night's Enterprise...
« Reply #80 on: May 14, 2004, 01:41:24 pm »
Quote:

 The sooner the better. We are now six days from 'X' day, when they annouce if Enterprise is renewed or not. There is an enormous amount of 'save enterprise' web sites and letter thing, but Trek had been able to do that for years for its shows.

I wonder just how accurate the ratings are, I bet more people watch then the rating services say.
 
 





Trust me, we are *very* close to actually seeing the birth of the Federation, so close that it doesn't matter if the show gets renewed or not.  Trust me.  

FFZ

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Re: I actually enjoyed last night's Enterprise...
« Reply #81 on: May 14, 2004, 02:10:24 pm »
  Another criptic comment for Rat boy...out with it, what do know!    

Rat_Boy

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Re: I actually enjoyed last night's Enterprise...
« Reply #82 on: May 14, 2004, 02:23:54 pm »
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E_Look

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Re: I actually enjoyed last night's Enterprise...
« Reply #83 on: May 14, 2004, 02:35:17 pm »
Hey, RatBoy!   That doesn't count!!!

I meant I'd like to see it happen in Enterprise over the next few seasons, with episodes in between with infighting among Earth, Vulcan, Andoria, and Tellar, with the Klingons doing the Soviet thing to our incipient interstellar NATO and the shadowy Romulans doing the Red China thing to both!

(Hint hint to Paramount!)

Dogmatix!

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Re: I actually enjoyed last night's Enterprise...
« Reply #84 on: May 14, 2004, 02:55:41 pm »
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For once, they supported Trek lore, when T'Pol told Tripp about the Vulcan Axiom "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few."









Yes, that famous Vulcan line from a Tale of Two Cities

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I hope they bring it back for at least anotehr year.
 




I hope so too.  I wouldn't be suprised if Neilson ratings aren't telling the whole story, but its also just possible that the people who left haven't really given it a second chance.  It is kinda annoying that, no matter what I watch, I have no impact on ratings.  






I hear that...show after show that I watch has been getting canned.  Thankfully, HBO keeps coming out with good series to replace the broadcast network shows I used to watch.



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Karnak

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Re: I actually enjoyed last night's Enterprise...
« Reply #85 on: May 14, 2004, 03:06:05 pm »
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 The sooner the better. We are now six days from 'X' day, when they annouce if Enterprise is renewed or not. There is an enormous amount of 'save enterprise' web sites and letter thing, but Trek had been able to do that for years for its shows.

I wonder just how accurate the ratings are, I bet more people watch then the rating services say.
 
 




The end is nigh:

http://www.lowerdecks.com/cgi/news.cgi?act=shownews&item=00000422

*dons end of the ST world* T-shirt.

It does not look good, IMHO.  Too much "maybe it's time Star Trek took a breather" CYA disclaimer talk from Berman.  I'm sure Paramount still has a bad taste in its mouth about the paltry and embarassing domestic  $43 million gross of the Nemesis movie. Plus, UPN does not seem to be interested in Sci-Fi genre anymore with all its reality shows.

Am leaning slightly to the side of Enterprise being cancelled now.  

http://www.greatlink.org/dcisV2.asp?url=shownewsitem.asp?item=3399

I hope I'm wrong but if the Variety magazine rumors are correct then....  
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FFZ

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Re: I actually enjoyed last night's Enterprise...
« Reply #86 on: May 14, 2004, 03:41:22 pm »
  Looks like the end.

If there is ever another Trek, I hope they will be smart, and go the syndicated route that TNG and DS9 followed to enormous suscess. Both of those shows were outside of Neilson's suspect rating system.

It is even possible Enterprise could be taken over for syndication, ever since UPN network got its hooks into Trek, its been lack-luster.

Perhaps the only good that comes of it is Paramount will allow companies like Taldren to again produce Trek games with interference, and the Thoilians and Andromedains will finally arrive, and another game will allow playable Kardassian and Dominion ships.
 

CaptJosh

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Re: I actually enjoyed last night's Enterprise...
« Reply #87 on: May 14, 2004, 03:49:32 pm »
I am much of the opinion that Neilson Ratings are quite outdated even with the introduction of demographic sorting of ratings shortly after Kaiser Broadcasting started guessing about Star Trek would be most popular to the male teens and 20s demographic and when would be the best time to appeal to them back in nineteen seventy-something. It's stupid to have such small sampling ratings when, courtesy of the internet, you can increase the sampling exponentially. Also Syndication is much better for a Trek show. Star Trek tends to have a cult type following. It's not like a series one normally makes for a network. And if nothing else, I hope the next Trek series is done by fans, rather than B&B. Those two pay too much attn to the bottom line and not enough to the quality of the shows.  

Rat_Boy

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Re: I actually enjoyed last night's Enterprise...
« Reply #88 on: May 14, 2004, 06:49:46 pm »
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That doesn't count!!!





Yes it does.  That's technically seeing the birth of the Federation.


Quote:

http://www.lowerdecks.com/cgi/news.cgi?act=shownews&item=00000422





The report is suspect, since Paramount doesn't do public tours and since it chooses to use the word "tear down."  According to interviews with a couple of the actors, construction work was scheduled to begin on the 12th of this month for the next season.  Since the standing sets for the ship have been blown apart twice over during the latter part of the season, it would take a lot of work to restore them and it's likely they decided just to take everything apart and start from scratch rather than try to build over it.  The story's an...overreaction, to put it mildly.

Edit: It also did not elaborate as to what sets were being "torn down."  Since the Xindi arc ended with the season finale, chances are they decided to tear down the Xindi sets.  Also, I have read elsewhere that if any form of set construction is going on, tours of other studios usually get cancelled for insurance reasons.


Quote:

http://www.greatlink.org/dcisV2.asp?url=shownewsitem.asp?item=3399





Again, this report and the wording of it is suspect.  If it was to be cancelled, the decision would have already been made and announced.  Variety, like all Hollywood rags, is not 100% accurate.   So far, from all indications, ENT will be back next year.
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FFZ

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Re: I actually enjoyed last night's Enterprise...
« Reply #89 on: May 14, 2004, 07:23:33 pm »
 There is one enormus factor in favor of another year, one more season will put the number of shows past the magic 100 episodes that are needed for profitable rerun packages.

I sure would love to see the show out of UPN and B&B's control.

All of here, at this board, could write a better episdoe guidline then what they use.
 
 

Javora

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Re: I actually enjoyed last night's Enterprise...
« Reply #90 on: May 14, 2004, 08:45:42 pm »
Has something changed that I don't know about??

Quote:


'Star Trek: Enterprise' To Get 12-Ep Renewal

Author: Michael Hinman
Date: 03-30-2004
Source: SyFy Portal


UPN is not pulling the plug on "Star Trek: Enterprise" yet.

Two sources have told SyFy Portal that UPN has decided to give the Star Trek spinoff series an initial 12-episode commitment for a fourth season, which could be renewed to a full 24 episodes. The network cited steady ratings against healthy competition for the decision.

Star Trek has been a mainstay for UPN during its near 10-year existence, beginning with "Star Trek: Voyager" in 1995 through the current third season of "Enterprise." The fifth series, however, has struggled in the ratings over the last few years, but did see some minor improvement with the new Xindi arc that began this year.

Two things that have hurt "Enterprise" this season has been the continued strong success of "American Idol" on Fox as well as the moving of "Smallville" to the same timeslot on main competitor The WB. While "Enterprise" may not receive its full season order as in previous seasons, the move does show that the people at Paramount and UPN are confident they can still continue with "Enterprise."

It's unclear whether or not executive producers and co-creators Brannon Braga and Rick Berman will continue to helm the series, however. An announcement to the fate of "Enterprise" is expected within the next two weeks.





I don't however see Enterprise hitting that magic 100 episodes even with a full season.  Also Syndication has not been the moneymaker that it used to be when TNG and DS9 were in production.  IMHO the best bet for Trek continuing for a long period of time would be if Paramount created its own Sci-Fi channel.  I know there was some interest back when the Sci-Fi / USA channels we up for sale and that Paramount was looking for a station to use as a 'clearing house' for its Trek series.  But ever since the Sci-Fi channel went to NBC things talk of creating a Sci-Fi channel have ceased.  I guess we will have to wait and see.
 

Rat_Boy

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Re: I actually enjoyed last night's Enterprise...
« Reply #91 on: May 14, 2004, 10:10:00 pm »
Old rumors.  Look, nothing from the people in the know (people who work on the show) indicates that it has been cancelled, which if it has been, I gurantee there would be plenty of word about it online right now.  So, unless UPN decides to reverse itself dramatically next week, so dramtically that none of the actors, staffers, and leakers see it coming or know ahead of time, ENT will be back.

FFZ

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Re: I actually enjoyed last night's Enterprise...
« Reply #92 on: May 14, 2004, 10:24:25 pm »
  It's not as if UPN has great shows to replace, the list in Variety sounds like a bore fest.

I also think people will tire of reality shows, I think they suck, but no fad lasts forever.
 

IndyShark

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Re: I actually enjoyed last night's Enterprise...
« Reply #93 on: May 16, 2004, 06:12:45 pm »
I'd like to see Ent continue for one more season and then come out with a new Star Trek Series. This one should be cannon, with a Constitution or Sovereign class starship exploring the galaxy. They need to remember why TOS/TNG/DS9 worked and look at why Ent did not. (at least as well).

Kick B&B out, get some new writers and FIRE them if they contradict prior art.    

IKV Nemesis D7L

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Re: I actually enjoyed last night's Enterprise...
« Reply #94 on: May 16, 2004, 06:31:03 pm »
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Kick B&B out, get some new writers and FIRE them if they contradict prior art.    




You don't fire them.  You burn them at the stake for heresy.  100% prevents recurrance of the crime.   First burning of B&B would be a salutory example to their successors.    

frazzle

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Re: I actually enjoyed last night's Enterprise...
« Reply #95 on: May 17, 2004, 09:55:55 am »
About this 'Birth of the Federation' thing...space battles and wars are all nice and great for a while, but I think the fans are really wanting to know about this unknown chapter in Trekkie lore. There has been really nothing about this in any of the shows, so it should be easy enough to come up with a consistant and believable plot - not this time travelling pap again.

Anyway, I have a TNG nit-pickers guide, and that touched on the subject about Star Trek's general ethintricity (I think) and the guy wanted to know whether the humans really spun the Federation into motion or just joined it when they came of age.

Anyway, what about the Andorians? In TOS, they were quite an aggressive species, but they wanted access to the Federation....

I smell...bull.....something or other  

FFZ

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Re: I actually enjoyed last night's Enterprise...
« Reply #96 on: May 17, 2004, 01:07:58 pm »
 According to "Journey to Babel" Andorians, like Tellerites and Orions, were member races of the Federation. We have yet to see Tellerites.    

IKV Nemesis D7L

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Re: I actually enjoyed last night's Enterprise...
« Reply #97 on: May 17, 2004, 05:12:55 pm »
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We have not seen them on Enterprise but if I recall correctly they are the race that directed the Enterprise to the automated repair facility after the Romulan mine damaged the hull.  
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Khalee

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Re: I actually enjoyed last night's Enterprise...
« Reply #98 on: May 17, 2004, 05:20:44 pm »
I hated last nights Enterprise which would have been the rerun, I missed wensdays so I was going to watch it Sunday, but my cable went on the fritz Saturday morning and stayed down all day,  down all day Sunday as well And I couldnt see it. .

 

Scipio_66

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Re: I actually enjoyed last night's Enterprise...
« Reply #99 on: May 17, 2004, 11:43:17 pm »
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 We have yet to see Tellerites.    




We have not seen them on Enterprise but if I recall correctly they are the race that directed the Enterprise to the automated repair facility after the Romulan mine damaged the hull.  




They were the voices that directed Enterprise to the repair facility.

However, the bounty hunter that captured Archer and handed him over to the Klingon freightor was a Tellerite, and so was his brother.  (naturally enough.)  They bot got a hiney-load of screentime in that episode.

The mask was better than the one used in "Journey to Babel", but remained faithful to it, I thought.

-S'Cipio

FFZ

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Re: I actually enjoyed last night's Enterprise...
« Reply #100 on: May 18, 2004, 11:27:48 am »
  Vaguely rememer  that.

Well, we are close, 2 days till X day, but it seems the writer of "The Council" make take the show over, and B&B are out is the latest rumor.
 

IKV Nemesis D7L

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Re: I actually enjoyed last night's Enterprise...
« Reply #101 on: May 18, 2004, 05:04:50 pm »
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 We have yet to see Tellerites.    




We have not seen them on Enterprise but if I recall correctly they are the race that directed the Enterprise to the automated repair facility after the Romulan mine damaged the hull.  




They were the voices that directed Enterprise to the repair facility.

However, the bounty hunter that captured Archer and handed him over to the Klingon freightor was a Tellerite, and so was his brother.  (naturally enough.)  They bot got a hiney-load of screentime in that episode.

The mask was better than the one used in "Journey to Babel", but remained faithful to it, I thought.

-S'Cipio  




I missed that one.  Thanks for the info.  Maybe I will catch a rerun sometime.  

FFZ

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Re: I actually enjoyed last night's Enterprise...
« Reply #102 on: May 19, 2004, 06:04:51 am »
 More rumors, the guys that play Trip and Malcolm have been told to report for work, and save Enterprise.com says the show is renewed.

Tomorrow we will know, I hope the rumor about the writer guy taking over is true, a fresh approach is badly needed.
 
 

Rat_Boy

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Re: I actually enjoyed last night's Enterprise...
« Reply #103 on: May 19, 2004, 10:19:53 am »
Variety's also reporting ENT is back...

...though it will be moving to Fridays.

digi

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Re: I actually enjoyed last night's Enterprise...
« Reply #104 on: May 19, 2004, 11:01:01 am »
Its still on Wednesday nights at the moment I take it then.  
Sky One over here has caught up quite a bit having just screened E2 last Monday.
So what was last nights episode like then?  Any views?

FFZ

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Re: I actually enjoyed last night's Enterprise...
« Reply #105 on: May 19, 2004, 12:40:57 pm »
  It is on tonight, not last night.  

digi

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Re: I actually enjoyed last night's Enterprise...
« Reply #106 on: May 20, 2004, 03:21:12 am »
Doh!

That's embrassing. Getting my days mixed up.  I think I need to use up some of my holiday allowance and get some rest!!!

Sirgod

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Re: I actually enjoyed last night's Enterprise...
« Reply #107 on: May 20, 2004, 09:09:43 am »
Heh, Now It's last night so I can post. Pretty good Episode IMHO. That Head marine rocked in this Episode, and went out like the hero he was. I have a feeling though we haven't seen the last of the Insectoid Xindi either. 10 hours to go untill It reaches earth. Nice build up comeing to the final episode.  

Stephen

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Re: I actually enjoyed last night's Enterprise...
« Reply #108 on: May 20, 2004, 09:33:22 am »
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Heh, Now It's last night so I can post. Pretty good Episode IMHO. That Head marine rocked in this Episode, and went out like the hero he was. I have a feeling though we haven't seen the last of the Insectoid Xindi either. 10 hours to go untill It reaches earth. Nice build up comeing to the final episode.  

Stephen  




Me, I would have sent only 1 person on that second escape beamout.
.. and then 2 on the last, increasing survival chances.
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FFZ

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Re: I actually enjoyed last night's Enterprise...
« Reply #109 on: May 20, 2004, 10:25:06 am »
  Yep, 'Countdown' was another excellent episode, it took three years, but this show finally hit its stride.

It wasn't Hoshi who was killed, but the head Maco, which seems a bit of a copout, he wasn't a main character, the Macos always seemed just for this mission.

The Reptillains have now betrayed the Insectoids, who rightly saw that the Guardians do indeed control the spheres, so the satge is set for the Reptillains to be hit by all the other Xindi races.

Still no offical word from UPN on Enterprise's renewal, word is expected any minute.
 

Sirgod

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Re: I actually enjoyed last night's Enterprise...
« Reply #110 on: May 20, 2004, 10:33:51 am »
I believe that TV guide Posted that It was picked up for Season 4. Look in the interactive Forums here. acid rain posted a link.

Stephen

Sten

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Re: I actually enjoyed last night's Enterprise...
« Reply #111 on: May 20, 2004, 11:47:53 am »
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Me, I would have sent only 1 person on that second escape beamout.
.. and then 2 on the last, increasing survival chances.  




Nah he exercised sound leadership he took care of the welfare of his people before looking out for his own welfare.

Now how many MACO buy the farm next week? 1...2... or all 3?

Bring on the red shirts reinstitute a TOS tradition.

KIllem all let Gene sort them out

Age

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Re: I actually enjoyed last night's Enterprise...
« Reply #112 on: May 20, 2004, 11:57:18 am »
  They are just like an Extra in a red shirt you know back in TOS.It was when the ship security would end up dead and what shirts were they wearing red.This is not to scare our Extra in a red shirts off though.I hope you get my drift.  

FFZ

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Re: I actually enjoyed last night's Enterprise...
« Reply #113 on: May 20, 2004, 12:23:23 pm »
 Trek Today confirms the show is renewed for another year.

 http://www.trektoday.com/news/200504_01.shtml
 

Scipio_66

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Re: I actually enjoyed last night's Enterprise...
« Reply #114 on: May 20, 2004, 12:25:32 pm »
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The Reptillains have now betrayed the Insectoids, who rightly saw that the Guardians do indeed control the spheres, so the satge is set for the Reptillains to be hit by all the other Xindi races.




Reptiliansss sshould be the mossst peaceful speciesss on the show.  Jussst look at my wonderful Gorn, for example.  We are the only race in the SFB universsse never to have ssstarted (or at least threatened to start) an offensssive war againssst another empire.  Inssstead we live peacefully and only ressspond to attacksss.  

The ussse of the Reptiliansss as villiansss in this program is clearly racist propaganda ssspread by the warm-blooded.  I expect Gorn defamation to begin spreading all acrossss earth now that thessse vile and hateful messages are being broadcassst, which is clearly what B&B intend.  They are bigotsss.  They ssshould be forced to pay (me) large sumsss of money and to issue a public apology.

On second thought, I don't care ssso much about the apology part.  But the monetary sssettlement (to me) should be massive.

Don't be surprisssed by the Million Gorn March on Paramount studiosss next weekend.

On a positive note, I do like the Reptilain commander's sun-lamp chair.  I must get me one of those.

-S'Cipio  

Age

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Re: I actually enjoyed last night's Enterprise...
« Reply #115 on: May 20, 2004, 12:35:35 pm »
    That is great a friend of mine will be gald to hear that.I know it has't been great all that great but this is the only Star Trek show on right now and she is a really big fan as she has all the show on tape.She was a member of a fan club but it disbanded.She will be glad to hear this as she can not get into Star Trek gaming no strategy games for her.    

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Re: I actually enjoyed last night's Enterprise...
« Reply #116 on: May 20, 2004, 12:36:36 pm »
Us ISC frogs would like to file an official protest with Paramount that our brother Xindi Aquatics lost their ship.

That simply won't do. We want the time guys to rewind that show and stop the anomaly from smashing up the Aquatic ship so that it can go back to blowing everything up.
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Sten

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Re: I actually enjoyed last night's Enterprise...
« Reply #117 on: May 20, 2004, 01:22:21 pm »
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Us ISC frogs would like to file an official protest with Paramount that our brother Xindi Aquatics lost their ship.

That simply won't do. We want the time guys to rewind that show and stop the anomaly from smashing up the Aquatic ship so that it can go back to blowing everything up.  




Its kind of funny last night when the aquatic ship was destroyed my wife who I thought only shared a glancing interest in Enterprise.  Let out a nice big "OH no! They killed the fishy people."

Sirgod

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Re: I actually enjoyed last night's Enterprise...
« Reply #118 on: May 20, 2004, 01:48:10 pm »
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Us ISC frogs would like to file an official protest with Paramount that our brother Xindi Aquatics lost their ship.

That simply won't do. We want the time guys to rewind that show and stop the anomaly from smashing up the Aquatic ship so that it can go back to blowing everything up.  




Its kind of funny last night when the aquatic ship was destroyed my wife who I thought only shared a glancing interest in Enterprise.  Let out a nice big "OH no! They killed the fishy people."  




 

there ship was Very cool though. I loved the small scene where they launched the enterprise from there Berth. it's an Instant classic IMHO.

Stephen

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Re: I actually enjoyed last night's Enterprise...
« Reply #119 on: May 20, 2004, 01:58:23 pm »
Yeah, Sirgod, that was one of my favorite scenes in the episode, aside from the outright ship shooting.  "Fishy people"... like the timefish-ish space guild members of Dune... and other people's spaceships are carried by their spacetime ships and released when they reach the destination!

Hey, this is kind of as good as Starfleet/Klingons/Romulans battling the Cardassians/Dominion!  Now this is good TV sci-fi!