Topic: Stupid messenger service pop - ups return! (Read 10351 times)

Pestalence · « **Reply #40 on:** May 13, 2004, 02:07:19 pm »

Here is the XP SP 2 RC 1 site... the changes in functionality was updated and is on the RC 2 site, but I don't think the changes for RC 1 is there any more..

anyhow.. built in pop up blocker, better built in firewall with easy configure, native PNG support, etc is all in the XPSP 2.. I am running RC 2 of this package, but since it is Beta, I can't state all the changes.. only that it is a 287 MB upgrade to MS Win XP, it even incorporates some components of Media Center Edition into XP Pro and XP Home.

If you like you can try out RC 1

http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/winxppro/sp2preview.mspx

and check out the changes for yourself... this will be full release in August.

since I am under MS Beta, I can't talk about all the changes, but they are great, and a majority of changes effect Explorer and IE as well as base XP functionality.

anyhow.. as for the PNG above, I can see it just fine.

Pestalence · « **Reply #41 on:** May 13, 2004, 03:24:28 pm »

OK.. Just as a trial, I got Mozilla Firefox...

I tried it on 10 different web sites.. after having to get 8 different plug-ins (IE I only had to upgrade 2 plug ins for these sites, but the sites work without them.), I quickly uninstalled Mozilla.. reason..

the thing is fricking slow.. it is slower than molassas in winter in Alaska. My god, how can anyone enjoy waiting for pages to load... imagine how it must be on dial-up... IE on dial-up takes no more than 45 seconds on my sisters web site to load in IE on 56K.. I waited over 2 and 1/2 min with Firefox with the same connection and speed....

If that is someone's idea of having a better browser, then count me out.. when i click on a page, I want it to pop up and be fully viewable, not slowly load the images on the page...

To me IE diaplayed the gage more vibrantly, better organized, faster....

besides that people state security.. I have yet to be hacked through IE.. I have yet to get a virus, I have been hit 1 time and 1 time only by a hijack software and even that was fixed in a mere matter of minuites.... plus Hijackers are blocked from my system now with my current settings and tracking cookies are blocked.. IE blocks pop-ups on my end..

and I don't use a firewall, router, etc.. I run 99.9% of the time on wireless or on Cable through USB 2.0, which negates the built in router.. I click on a link and pop.. the page is loaded in under 8 seconds when comiming from sites with big pipes...

Taldren's site just pops up fully loaded for the forums both on Dial-up and Cable.. the only thing that is loading when i am reading on dial-up is the signature images.. and even then they are fully loaded within 30 seconds...

Mozilla can't even compare in speed, plus it looks and feels less functional than IE.. how many plug-ins do you need to get that thing working correctly for all sites anyways? and what sort of connection accelerator do you need for it to be feasable for use on Dial-up?

I mean IE, you can go to 1 of 1000 sites and do 1 or 2 registry tweaks to turn IE into a speed deamon, but even an untweaked IE browser loads the same page 3 times faster than Mozilla.. I know.. I just tried Stock IE verses Stock Mozilla Firefox side by side timing load times...

No wonder when i ask someone if they can see a site or find something on a site and they are not using IE, they tell me that the page is still loading...

then with just a couple of registry tewaks, I pull even more speed out of IE.. *.gif files is the bane of the net, but even those load a lot faster in IE than Mozilla..

Mozilla does have a nicer looking interface, but for funtionality and practicality, it has much to be desired...

I would first integrate Macromedia Plug-ins and Shockwave Plug-ins, and Authorware Plugins from Macromedia.. make them and integrated part of Mozilla... that would increase the speed some and reduce the need for getting plug-ins when going to dites with Macromedia material and content...

Also, it needs an easy to configure security settings controller.. with IE, you just right click the IE desktop icon and click properties. you have security right there.

I looked and looked for Mozilla's and couldn't find them. so how do you block Active X controlls, hijackers, cookies?

anyhow.. just my opinion.

Sirgod · « **Reply #42 on:** May 13, 2004, 04:10:06 pm »

Quote:

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GEEKFIGHT.

Please, be polite!

I perfer the term NERD j/k, hehe

My humble apoligies, to any and all Geeks, Nerds, and whom-ever else.

Stephen

Dracho · « **Reply #43 on:** May 13, 2004, 04:11:40 pm »

Neo-nerds...LMAO

Praxis · « **Reply #47 on:** May 13, 2004, 07:31:32 pm »

Just out of curiousity, Javora...
What version of Mozilla are you running? And is it FireFox/Bird, or normal Mozilla?

Just wondering. TY for the comments.

I wonder about your problems with forum postings. I never use IE anymore, except if I have a page that specifically blocks anything but IE users (I intend one of these days to try the special Safari debug mode that tells web sites that it is IE...). Other than once in a while something looking a funny color when I'm typing in a text box (little bug that should probably be fixed, just cosmetic), I don't have any troubles.

Javora · « **Reply #48 on:** May 13, 2004, 08:20:34 pm »

I'm using Mozilla version 1.6. It is not a big deal, I think Mozilla just has problems drawing the correct size on some things. Certain buttons, text boxes, and proper spacing between word in text boxes like reply box do not display correctly. Also in Mozilla when you scroll down a page while the cursor is in the reply text box the scroll function stops when you get to the end of the text box. In IE you can continue to scroll to the bottom of the actual page. It's hard to describe.

I think the best way is to show you. Go to the Tech Support Forum and log in and click the reply button in one of the threads. Do the same thing with IE then look at the difference. Then copy some text (about a page worth) in each text box for Mozilla and IE. Once the text is in place click the mouse somewhere in the text box in Mozilla and use the scroll wheel to go down as far as you can on the page, note what happens. Then do the same in IE. After that look at each page, to me Mozilla looks small and cramped compared to IE. Again it is not a big deal, just things that Mozilla need to work on. Hope this helps.

Praxis · « **Reply #49 on:** May 13, 2004, 11:47:51 pm »

Well, since I'm about to go to bed in a moment and don't want to go through a registration process, I'll try it tomorrow.

I'm using Firebird .7, personally...haven't seen any text box positioning problems here. Though Safari sometimes has trouble with that...

Javora · « **Reply #51 on:** May 14, 2004, 06:27:39 am »

Wow thanks for the information, you know your stuff I?ll give you that. The settings you have in IE are similar to what I had set (I took your advice, thanks BTW). The last setting ?Script ActiveX controls marked safe for scripting? was the only thing I needed to change. And you are dead on about Email attachments. In fact the place where my sister works just sent out a company wide posting advising that people no longer read even the Emails itself (let alone attachments) when the sender cannot be clearly identified. At first I thought this was due to people sending or receiving porn pictures on the web. But after discussing it with her at some length I am convinced that the policy is in place to protect the network system.

As for cookies I changed the settings concerning both First and Third party cookies as you described. I am going to take some time and see how effective this is as well as how it effects normal day-to-day web browsing. Similarly both IE and Mozilla has a way to block cookies by site name. I think later on I am also going to spend the time and see if it is easer to manage cookies this way. As I think this is an interesting point of discussion. It seems to me that once the sites that a person normally visits are entered into the (site) Cookie Manager that cookies would no longer be an issue unless a person visits a new site. This would also resolve the problem of web sites changing the type of cookies they send out to try and fool IE/Mozilla. It?s too bad that both IE and Mozilla will not allow you to save the entries in the Cookie Manager to a file similar to the way bookmarks are saved.

I still think running without some kind of Anti-virus and Firewall/Router is a little unsafe. However you have taken care to keep your system virus free. I also agree that Anti-virus, Firewall are a pain sometimes and hog system recourses. And there is a case to be made about the usefulness of Firewalls. When I switched over to Cable Internet last month, I noticed when I was configuring my router that my old Firewall opened a huge number of ports for ICQ. I sat thinking if this many ports are open (a range of several thousand) why even have a Firewall running at all. I have since closed those ports and locked down ICQ even further. My Firewall also alerted me that I was trying to hack my own system an even gave me my IP address and listed me as a person residing in KS. Needless to say I was not impressed.

Anyway I?m going to get off my soapbox now, thank you for your information and your time.

Oh BTW SpyBot has just released version 1.3 a day or two ago, you can download it here.

Praxis · « **Reply #53 on:** May 14, 2004, 04:34:46 pm »

Please excuse me if these posts are a little bit offensive; it's what the people actually said.

I showed what you said to a Mac user I know in Holland. The only thing he said was, "Idiot."

I showed what you said about IE being the best browser to a Mac user I know taking Cisco Networking Certification. He just laughed and shook his head. He had deleted IE right off his Mac's hard drive because he hated it.

I showed what you said to a Linux/Windows user. His response? "Some people just like being ignorant. Even if I was using Windows instead of Linux, I would never touch IE." When he hit the part about 75% of Mac users using IE, he practically chocked and said, "What? How? Through Wine? Only a few people use Wine for everything, and almost nobody uses IE through it!"

Pestalence...you're the first person I've ever seen who actually loves IE, having tried the others.

As for what you've said about ActiveX, as I understand it the only place that uses ActiveX (microsoft's attempt at defeating Java, that failed miserably) is Microsoft Update...practically everything else is viruses, since ActiveX can easily take over your computer. Since Windows Update essentially blocks anything but IE, I simply don't download an ActiveX plugin, and I'm *perfectly* secure.

And BTW...there are all kinds of spyware and viruses that only effect IE. You should see what my mother did to my old computer, it's filled with IE popup spyware, and IE bar ad spyware, and spyware that changes the homepage constantly, etc etc...NONE OF THAT EFFECTS MOZILLA!

Since Mozilla can view almost any page IE can unless the webmaster is an idiot/can't program properly, and views flash and everything else just fine, I have no use for IE except to use Windows update. I almost never touch IE anymore.

vsfedwards · « **Reply #54 on:** May 12, 2004, 03:06:51 pm »

Ok, I dont know if anyone remembers this but every 20 or so minutes you get a message from somewhere telling you about a fantastic new deal or whatever.
I remember Steve had a fix - something to do with the regedit, but not remembering what it is there is no way am I going in and fiddling about, can anyone remember the fix? Even better, will Zone alarm block it do you think?

Cheers, Andy.

Sten · « **Reply #55 on:** May 12, 2004, 03:34:18 pm »

Assuming you are using windows 2000 or XP.

Right click on my computer and select Manage.

Scroll down until you find Services and Applications.

Expand this item.

Now look for Services and Left click on it one time.

On the right side of the screen scroll down until you find Messenger

Right click on it and then select Properties.

IN the Startup field select Diasabled. Then close out the menu and you are set.

Jinn will be in touch with you regarding consulting fees.

Oh and yes Zonealrm will stop this if you set it up to.

vsfedwards · « **Reply #56 on:** May 12, 2004, 03:41:40 pm »

Thanks for the hasty reply (just built my new pc and installing *everything* right now, this is really sweet.)
As for the consulting fees, IIl set Zone Alarm not to accept those too

Pestalence · « **Reply #57 on:** May 12, 2004, 10:50:15 pm »

Easy way to disable messenger service

go to start button and click on run

type in :

services.msc

click OK

in the services window, set Alerter and Messenger to Disable (right click the service, click properties, in the boz that states Automatic, click it for a drop down menu, click disable, click OK)

Click the x in the cornet to close the box and restart system.. messenger pop up are gone.

Praxis · « **Reply #58 on:** May 12, 2004, 11:06:37 pm »

Kill Messenger service!

On the fun side, open DOS, type "Net send (pcname) "hello" " and you can send a messenger message to a local PC...for example, if one PC is named dell, typeL=:
net send dell "hello"
and "hello" should pop up

E_Look · « **Reply #59 on:** May 13, 2004, 12:02:50 am »

I seem to have developed an opposite problem lately.

An e-mail account I normally access through Microsoft Outlook Web Access is acting strangely. Whenever I log on using Mozilla and get the inbox, as I glide the cursor over each mail item, the little pointing finger cursor does appear, but when I click on the mail item, NOTHING happens!

If I log on using Microsoft Internet Explorer, the freakin' thing works perfectly!!

Anyone know what's going on here between Outlook Web Access and Mozilla??

Oh, and the Mozilla popup blocker was set to exclude this site!

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