Topic: This ain't your local bulk cruiser....

[Kaenyne]

well, if WZ isn't interested, I know I am, just for a sake of seeing a modernized take on the Star Destroyer.

[SovereignEmpire]

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Which was a new breakthrough by the Feds and experimental

And it worked

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The times I saw it used the reception was crappy

The reception was only crappy when Voyager used the Hirogen's array, the Midas Array was far more advanced and they could see perfectly clear.

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You mean "Lucas' Canon policy"TM brought to you by Darkstar?

If "only Star Wars movies are canon" is your point of view then concerning Trek your p.o.v. must be that TOS is noncanon Federation propaganda, the TMP novelization is canon, Trek movies 1-4 are canon, ST5 is not canon, TUC is quasi-canon, only TNG seasons 1-4 are canon, and that TNG seasons 5-7, Generations, DS9, First Contact, Insurrection, Voyager, Enterprise, and Nemesis are all not canon

"It isn't Star Trek til I say it's Star Trek"-Gene Roddenberry

Everyone likes to use Roddenberry's death as an advantage over canon reference, but just because Roddenberry is not around doesn?t mean that the Treks after him are not real canon, because he would have never wanted Star Trek to die with him.  Berman has taken over where Gene left off, and if you don?t like, Oh Well, because this is what Trek is.

 

     

[InragedSith]

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Everyone likes to use Roddenberry's death as an advantage over canon reference,

I'm saying if you think only the works of the original creator are canon in SW the same must apply to ST

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 but just because Roddenberry is not around doesn?t mean that the Treks after him are not real canon, because he would have never wanted Star Trek to die with him.

If he were alive today he'd probably say otherwise

 

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Berman has taken over where Gene left off, and if you don?t like, Oh Well, because this is what Trek is.  

So then for ST canon you believe in th Paramount policy and for SW you believe in the Lucasfilm policy

Star Trek
Canon: TOS, movies 1-6, TNG, DS9, Generations, VOY,  First Contact, Insurrection, ENT, Nemesis, TAS episode "Yesteryear", Novel "pathways", Novel "Mosaic"

Star Wars
Absolute Canon: The movies
Canon: Novelizations of movies, scripts of movies, radio dramas, All ICS books
Quasi-canon: Novels, Clone Wars cartoon, Holiday special, and anything else lacking an infinities symbol

Thanks for clearing that up the typo in your last post confused me a bit

[Praxis]

Not "anything else" is canon...
Games and RPG books are not canon...
Just look at the story the RPG books made about Boba Fett being some kind of expeditionist before he became a bounty hunter...

[Praxis]

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Which was a new breakthrough by the Feds and experimental

And it worked
     

So what...do you know how the midas array works?

It fires a 60 terrawatt tachyon beam at a pulsar to create a microwormhole and transmits through that.

I usually don't believe DITL since it's mostly the author's interpretations, but this is one of the few things in yellow, meaning its canon.

In Star Trek, 60 terrawatts is a honking lot (not to Star Wars though).  Despite DITL.org's stupidly stating (in white, aka his own speculation) that the Galaxy class generates 100,000 terrawatts (HA), Riker specificly stated that 1 terrawatt was "more than this entire ship can produce," and Data specifically stated "We're currently generating power at a rate of 600 gigawatts."  So the Enterprise obviously generates less than a terrawatt.

So we're talking about the Federation having to build an array with over 100 times the power of their second largest warship...just to send a transmission 30,000 lightyears away.

AND they had to cheat, using a pulsar's power and gravitic effect to transmit it.  A normal Federation ship, station, or array, in any other place, would be unable to.

On the other hand, any old Imperial ship can send a transmission over a much longer distance with little effect on their power (though the ICS states that hyperwave requires stellar-scale power, which is no problem for most SW ships), as long as they lower their shields.

So...which is more advanced technology?  A super expensive array that has to be built by a pulsar, the technology of which can't be put on a normal starship and can't be used anywhere else...or hyperwave, which can actually transmit FURTHER, and can transmit from anywhere in the galaxy in real time as long as a ship lowers its shields?

Obviously hyperwave :P

 

[WickedZombie45]

I'd be interested in taking a look at it - never get enough Imperial designs. Constitutions on the other hand, sheesh....

Heh, you guys are still debating? What is it with Star Wars that makes everyone wanna argue?  

[InragedSith]

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Not "anything else" is canon...
Games and RPG books are not canon...
Just look at the story the RPG books made about Boba Fett being some kind of expeditionist before he became a bounty hunter...  

Actually games are at the ass end of canon only the story is quasi-canon, games can be overruled by EU or higher and with the canon hierarchy the Boba Fett thing is overruled by higher sources and thus isn't canon

[Khalee]

Enterprise is not canon. Unless paramount has said otherwise lately.

[SovereignEmpire]

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So what...do you know how the midas array works?

It fires a 60 terrawatt tachyon beam at a pulsar to create a microwormhole and transmits through that.

I usually don't believe DITL since it's mostly the author's interpretations, but this is one of the few things in yellow, meaning its canon.

In Star Trek, 60 terrawatts is a honking lot (not to Star Wars though). Despite DITL.org's stupidly stating (in white, aka his own speculation) that the Galaxy class generates 100,000 terrawatts (HA), Riker specificly stated that 1 terrawatt was "more than this entire ship can produce," and Data specifically stated "We're currently generating power at a rate of 600 gigawatts." So the Enterprise obviously generates less than a terrawatt.

So we're talking about the Federation having to build an array with over 100 times the power of their second largest warship...just to send a transmission 30,000 lightyears away.

AND they had to cheat, using a pulsar's power and gravitic effect to transmit it. A normal Federation ship, station, or array, in any other place, would be unable to.

On the other hand, any old Imperial ship can send a transmission over a much longer distance with little effect on their power (though the ICS states that hyperwave requires stellar-scale power, which is no problem for most SW ships), as long as they lower their shields.

So...which is more advanced technology? A super expensive array that has to be built by a pulsar, the technology of which can't be put on a normal starship and can't be used anywhere else...or hyperwave, which can actually transmit FURTHER, and can transmit from anywhere in the galaxy in real time as long as a ship lowers its shields?

Obviously hyperwave :P

Well, Star Trek doesnt have 25,000 years worth of Technology to say that its better.  The point is, it works.  The MIDAS Array will someday be replaced with an even stronger system to communicate and see the Galaxy.

[Praxis]

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Well, Star Trek doesnt have 25,000 years worth of Technology to say that its better.  The point is, it works.  The MIDAS Array will someday be replaced with an even stronger system to communicate and see the Galaxy.  

Okay, this is HILARIOUS.

As you're wondering whats so funny...let me direct you here.

http://stardestroyer.net/Empire/Essays/Trekkie.html

You just quoted Favorite Trekkie Arguement #3, almost word for word :P

[J. Carney]

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Well, Star Trek doesnt have 25,000 years worth of Technology to say that its better.  The point is, it works.  The MIDAS Array will someday be replaced with an even stronger system to communicate and see the Galaxy.  

Okay, this is HILARIOUS.

As you're wondering whats so funny...let me direct you here.

http://stardestroyer.net/Empire/Essays/Trekkie.html

You just quoted Favorite Trekkie Arguement #3, almost word for word :P  

[childish good-guys argument] But the Federation has to win because they always win because they are the good guys. [/childish good-guys argument]

Yeah. IF those numbers were real and not something pulled out of thin air on both sides in the first place, the Federation, Klingon Empire, Romulan Star Empire, and all other major races could expend entire stellar navies and not even dent an older Victory-class Star Destroyer.

Yeah, those were pretty sound arguments- but the fact remains that the list left out the main reason that the Rebels won... "some hokey religion." The only reason that the Rebels won in the first place- because in comparison to the Empire they were just "half-a**ed backwater rebels"- was the fact that a higher power had influence in all the things that they were doing. The Force was the reason that Luke killed the first Death Star and not the other way around. Devine intervention is a powerful weapon.

 

[Dizzy]

I REALLY am interested in doing a D2 server mod for SW. What capital ships do we not have models for?

[Praxis]

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I REALLY am interested in doing a D2 server mod for SW. What capital ships do we not have models for?  

Um...I can send you my Sci-fi Bashfest mod for SFC OP.

It was actually an addon for Chris Jones' TNG Mega Mod, which is why it didn't become popular, since not many people wanted to DL an 800 meg mod + the 100 meg Sci-fi Bashfest just to play.

It has around 40-50 playable Star Wars ships.

You can download just the mod, then extract the Star Wars parts from the Shiplist.txt, and stick it in your original game.

[Dizzy]

I just want the models. How can I get them? Got a link? My email tops at 5 MB's. Or ten mb.

[starforce2]

http://www.seansgallery.com/cgi-bin/showpicture.cgi?picture=sdtest_bef&menu=32
http://www.seansgallery.com/cgi-bin/showpicture.cgi?picture=sdtest_after&menu=32
http://www.seansgallery.com/cgi-bin/showpicture.cgi?picture=sdtest_after2&menu=32

These are from sean kennedy over at 3dg. If you browse his gallery you'll find some bsg and trek stuff there as well.

[Kaenyne]

That's a great gallery. I could stare at that stuff forever. The New Imperial Star Destroyer is a very good one, a ship that indeed looks like a descendant of the original. Somehow , the design seems smaller, more compact than her predecessor.  

[Praxis]

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I just want the models. How can I get them? Got a link? My email tops at 5 MB's. Or ten mb.  

I'll PM the link to you later (I'll have to search around for it first, and I gotta go somewhere at the moment) for the mod.

Don't forget to give the original authors credit in whatever you do with it.

And I can't email it to you, the OP models topped 40 megs when zipped, 90 when not.  The *new* SFC3 models that no one else has (should work in OP and SFC2 as well) are...well, big...I have 156

It includes 4 Battlestar Galactica models as well...