Topic: This ain't your local bulk cruiser.... (Read 5149 times)

WickedZombie45 · « **Reply #20 on:** May 07, 2004, 12:08:17 pm »

Actually, I built an Eclipse years ago and it *should* still be at the old OSF site. As far as I'm aware, it's the only one ever made for the game. Though, it could use an upgrade....

I probably won't build any fighters since Firehawk's are more than adequate - I mean, how much detail can you cram into puny little ships that you barely see in-game anyway?

Dizzy · « **Reply #21 on:** May 07, 2004, 01:57:48 pm »

Thats the point, WZ... U dont want to cram a lot of detail in them... Having 16 X,Y or A wings in addition to 6x Imperial assault shuttles and 48 Tie Fighters... PLUS some capital ships... How much CPU horsepower are you gonna need to have to run a mission like that and have it not slow down to 2 or 3 frames a sec?

I dont recall just how detailed FH's models are, but if the little ones are tiny... then can someone use a poly reducer?

SovereignEmpire · « **Reply #22 on:** May 07, 2004, 03:01:07 pm »

Well, that is a seriously awsome Ship ya got there. I look forward to blowing her to peices.

I think i have to add in my own two cents too lol.
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Star Wars technology is not 100% superior to Star Trek. Did you know that when a Star Destroyers shields are up they lose Long Range Communications? It?s stated in ?The Last Command? of the Thrawn Trilogy. Their shields themselves are crap. They have two different types of shields, Physical and Energy, (well that?s not what they call them but that?s what they are). Physical shields stop physical objects like torpedoes or small craft. With those shields up, they cannot launch fighters or missiles of their own. Energy shields stop energy weapons, such as Lasers. Shields take up so much energy; they are not capable of being on at the same time. Most Star Wars fans only compare Federation Technology to Star Wars, but there are plenty of Trek Weapons that would kill the Empire. The Breen CRM-114 is a good example. A Storm Trooper?s armor may be strong, but this weapon would defiantly and literally blow them apart. There are many more things we could continue with, but really this isn?t a Trek vs. Wars thread so I?ll stop now, lol. I?m sure Praxis would like to continue else wear though he always seems to want too?

WickedZombie45 · « **Reply #23 on:** May 07, 2004, 06:14:04 pm »

Heh, Firehawk's models are probably the last ships that need a poly reducer. He tends to keep his ships as playable as possible and those fighters of his are perfect for squadron actions.

You basically just reworded what I'd already said - you don't need a lot of detail for fighters since they're so small and I don't see a reason to make my own versions when they'll end up being carbon copies anyway.

Mariner · « **Reply #24 on:** May 07, 2004, 07:04:36 pm »

Will you ever consider redoing the other ships featured in the OSF site, or atleast move them all onto a seperate section of DRS? I think it would help in trying to find those models.

But, how are the Andromedan Stations coming? If you need an idea or two for them, I could probably sketch a few over the weekend if you need.

Also, will you consider making some of the TOS-era ships, like the Surya, Coventry, Coronado, Sherman, etc. from your Patton? I think that they all could your magic touch.

Praxis · « **Reply #25 on:** May 07, 2004, 07:39:37 pm »

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Star Wars technology is not 100% superior to Star Trek. Did you know that when a Star Destroyers shields are up they lose Long Range Communications? It?s stated in ?The Last Command? of the Thrawn Trilogy. Their shields themselves are crap.

Long range communications = Hyperwave, which allows them to have instant communication across the galaxy. Something which the Federation doesn't have.

Even the Empire's short range communications are longer than the Federation's long range. The Federation's long range communications travel at 200,000 times lightspeed...twice the speed of warp 9.9...yet the Empire's long range is instantaneous. The Empire's short range is also instantaneous, but it only covers a couple dozen/hundred light years.

Don't forget, shields up or not, Voyager was too far from Earth to contact them from the Delta Quadrant. A Star Destroyer could easily use hyperwave to contact their homeworld from the other side of the galaxy.

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They have two different types of shields, Physical and Energy, (well that?s not what they call them but that?s what they are). Physical shields stop physical objects like torpedoes or small craft. With those shields up, they cannot launch fighters or missiles of their own. Energy shields stop energy weapons, such as Lasers. Shields take up so much energy; they are not capable of being on at the same time.

You talk about it like it's the only types of shields.

Examples of ray shields:

Exhaust port on the Death Star- specifically stated to be ray shielded, obviously, since particle shielding would block the exhaust from coming out.

Gungan shields- also ray shields.

There are no known examples in the movies of particle shields in the movies, just books, which is all well and good.

However, there is another type of shield- DEFLECTOR SHIELDS.

Read the OFFICIAL manuals- such as the Episode 2 Incredible Cross Sections, written by an astrophysicist working with the Lucasarts design team, it is one of the only manuals ever to be declared Canon by LucasArts.

There are shields that block both- thats the type used on starships.

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Most Star Wars fans only compare Federation Technology to Star Wars, but there are plenty of Trek Weapons that would kill the Empire. The Breen CRM-114 is a good example. A Storm Trooper?s armor may be strong, but this weapon would defiantly and literally blow them apart.

Same way an E-web would easily vaporize Federation troops, and a blaster rifle would mow down enemies.

I'd love to see Boba Fett on a Borg Cube- since Star Wars weapons aren't like these silly "phased" weapons in Star Trek, there is no way the Borg'd be able to adapt...it'd be funny to watch them march forward and be mowed down.

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There are many more things we could continue with, but really this isn?t a Trek vs. Wars thread so I?ll stop now, lol. I?m sure Praxis would like to continue else wear though he always seems to want too?

Bring it on

You don't know who you're messing with...Maybe if I get a little more free time today I'll go start up a thread in the debate forum...

EDIT: Where'd the debate and OT forums go? NOOO!

Praxis · « **Reply #26 on:** May 07, 2004, 07:40:03 pm »

BTW I've already release a Star Wars mod for OP a while back (requires Chris Jones' TNG Mega Mod to play the Star Trek side), and am working on a SFC3 one. Screenshots in the Mod forum.

WZ, think I could use your ISD in the SFC3 mod?

Praxis · « **Reply #28 on:** May 07, 2004, 08:35:15 pm »

No...please...not an MSN group...nooooo...

Maybe I should host my own forum, lol :P

InragedSith · « **Reply #29 on:** May 07, 2004, 08:56:12 pm »

Then how about...

http:\\bbs.stardestroyer.net it's a Trekkies worst nightmare but all well

www.spacebattles.com The debate is basicly dead here all sides are in agreement since Darkstar was banned that Wars would win no questions asked

http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&group=alt.startrek.vs.starwars Heres a relic one of the places the online debate originated from

Praxis · « **Reply #30 on:** May 07, 2004, 09:15:58 pm »

Lets see...Stardestroyer.net is both a warsie and trekkies worst nightmare.

You go in there, make any kind of post, they call it a "me-too" post if its a joke or "repetitive" if its about ST vs SW or call you a moron if you support ST...its almost impossible to make a post without it gettting locked in the ST vs SW section, due to overzealous moderation.

Spacebattles.com were a bunch of whiners during the Darkstar era, and now they've just dropped it.

I want to start a thread on Taldren, but theres no more public Debate or Off Topic forums to post it in, and people would get mad if it was in General chat or SFC forums.

And it wouldn't fit that well in the Cool and Refreshing forum.

SovereignEmpire · « **Reply #31 on:** May 07, 2004, 09:17:04 pm »

StarDestroyer.net is a horrible place to debate. They put down Trek without even a second thought. It?s all like "Well that Phaser couldn?t penetrate that armor so that Phaser is inferior." Or "That Phaser vaporized that armor so that armor is inferior." It?s that same garbage over and over. They never stop to think that maybe Trek and Wars are not superior to each other, but that they both have there ups and downs. Also, Voyager did make contact with the Alpha Quadrant via the Midas Array. It was a good clear signal that reached 70,000 light-years. There was a limited time to make contact, but I?m sure Starfleet was more concerned with the Invasion of the Alpha/Beta Quadrant by the Dominion. Also, if Canon material is only found in the Movies, and the only confirmed canon Wars books are the technical manuals, then doesn?t that mean that the Novels (excluding the Thrawn series because of the "Authorized Continuation" on the back), are non-canon.

SovereignEmpire · « **Reply #33 on:** May 07, 2004, 09:41:12 pm »

Is there an alternative link to the DRS? Before when the site was down, it was just the server?s problem, now it seems to be gone completely. It could be just me though.

Praxis · « **Reply #34 on:** May 07, 2004, 09:43:53 pm »

It went down a few minutes ago, I was talking with WZ when it happened...

The entire Nightsoft site went down in flames.

DonKarnage · « **Reply #35 on:** May 07, 2004, 10:36:48 pm »

well insted of small tie fighter why not make small enterprise class for

fighter (fighter that are small size enterprise class ship), that would be cool to see insted of tie-fighter or anyother fighter from starwars.

Reverend · « **Reply #36 on:** May 07, 2004, 11:11:00 pm »

Really nice work; I have always enjoyed Star Wars... shocked after reading this thread, always thought Star Trek was way more advanced.... drat.
Wicked Z, that is a beauty of a ship, like everything you do.

Do you plan on making a Super Star Destroyer? I know one exists, but.... well... you know...

starforce2 · « **Reply #39 on:** May 08, 2004, 04:56:07 am »

WZ, I know where to get ref pix of a fan made SSD that basicly looks like a more modern SD, much like the Sov is to the galaxy...if you are interested.

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