Topic: This ain't your local bulk cruiser.... (Read 5147 times)

WickedZombie45 · « **on:** May 06, 2004, 06:40:06 pm »

I took a break from the Andro fleet and whipped up this beasty:

The Cobra in this pic was downsized a bit for dramatic purposes (as if FX guys never do that....)

Khalee · « **Reply #1 on:** May 06, 2004, 06:44:26 pm »

Not a big starwars fan but this looks nice. only problem is that the Starwars ship should be running from the fed not the way you got it.

Azel · « **Reply #2 on:** May 06, 2004, 06:51:41 pm »

SHHHHWEEET!!!!

J. Carney · « **Reply #3 on:** May 06, 2004, 06:52:17 pm »

Quote:

Not a big starwars fan but this looks nice. only problem is that the Starwars ship should be running from the fed not the way you got it.

BOO!!! Another 'Feds are the good guys' post!!! BOO!!!

(no offense)

Great work, as usual WZ. Any plans for more of the Imperal Navy after those kiick-a** Andros you're workin' on?

olbuzzard · « **Reply #4 on:** May 06, 2004, 06:52:48 pm »

man... I wish I had a game to put this in !

Rat_Boy · « **Reply #5 on:** May 06, 2004, 07:01:40 pm »

Yikes!

WickedZombie45 · « **Reply #6 on:** May 06, 2004, 07:06:38 pm »

I don't see any problem - the Enterprise isn't running, she's escorting. I never cared much for that whole pointless ST vs SW debate

nx_adam_1701 · « **Reply #9 on:** May 06, 2004, 08:17:21 pm »

Holymoly, that rocks

I think ill use that as a monster in OP

adam out

InragedSith · « **Reply #11 on:** May 06, 2004, 08:45:14 pm »

No need if Khalee continiues his claims that Trek is superior I'll direct him to the MSN group

My post was merely to educate him I don't want this thread to turn into a warzone

WickedZombie45 · « **Reply #12 on:** May 06, 2004, 09:22:39 pm »

Aye, she works in SFC 3, though I didn't include any specs for it. I wasn't entirely sure what to do with them (same as the Andros) so I just let the players make up their own minds. It's a damn shame SFC only has so many hardpoint options, this thing isn't nearly as true to canon as it should be.

Yeah, the Thrawn novels are the main reason I'm still interested in Star Wars. Thrawn isn't the typical cliche bad guy, probably why I like the character so much.

Praxis · « **Reply #13 on:** May 07, 2004, 12:00:55 am »

My idea for a *balanced* Star Destroyer was this.

Obviously, you can't put a ship that's as powerful as Star Destroyers are canonically, otherwise it would be able to burn right through Star Trek ships with ease, and Trekkies would run around complaining.

You can't give it craptastic specs either, or Warsies start complaining.

Since to the Empire the Star Destroyers were about the equivilant of CA's, I gave it CA-level specs.

A Star Destroyer has 60 turbolaser cannons...turbolaser cannons are relatively innaccurate and degrade rapidly with range...pulse phasers are the same, and fire 6 little blasts per shot.

So, you put 10 pulse phasers arrayed in front and side arcs, and you have 60 turbolasers, and the approximate firepower of a well-refitted CA (technically, probably more firepower, but no long range weapons and large and easy to hit, so anyone who's smart will snipe it with torpedoes from range 15 and beyond, taking out the weapons advantage).

And don't forget 2 360 mytronics for the 60 ion cannons the ship is supposed to have. Ion cannons disable ship systems temporarily- just like Mytronics.

The result is a well balanced ship, that with proper flying (get in close, tractor and slam them, hope they let you) can take on a Fed DN, and with bad flying will lose to a Fed CL (fire at long ranges, let it snipe you), and is overall a match for a well-refitted CA.

Dizzy · « **Reply #14 on:** May 07, 2004, 12:31:38 am »

Ok, so 60 turbo lasers, degrade with range and arnt completely accurate... sounds like 60 Dizzies.

The 10 pulse lasers that fire multiple bursts? Sounds like Phaser G2's to me...

I'd give it 24 fighters. 4x squads of 6. A squadron of Interceptors, a squad of Tie Bombers using Mirvs and 2 squads of tie fighters.

Yeah...

But what weapons did the Interceptors and fighters use?

Kaenyne · « **Reply #15 on:** May 07, 2004, 08:29:17 am »

Wow! Wow! Wow! She is nothing short of spectacular! Any plans on doing even bigger Star Destroyers? I seen to remember a rather large black hulled class from a certain comic book series...

Kaenyne · « **Reply #18 on:** May 07, 2004, 08:48:34 am »

Yp, I was just tryin' some bait is all. The Eclipse is one impressive ship. And I have one Eclipse myself, albeit a low poly one. What does yours look like?

Dizzy · « **Reply #19 on:** May 07, 2004, 10:30:08 am »

Right about the Tie-ftrs being weak. I'd use simply regular ftrs for those and PF's for the other alliance ships. Course, the Imperial assault shuttle would be a PF as well...

You can get around the fighter limitation by using 4x PF assault shuttles or cargo carrier container type PF's that are each loaded with Fighters. You could field quite a lot of fighters that way. I like the cargo fighter bay idea. An OP ship can only be setup to carry either PF's or ftrs. You cant mix them. So I'd setup a Star Destroyer as a PF tender and give them 2x Imperial assault shuttles and 2x Carrier Cargo Containers. The containers would simply drop from the Star Destroyer and then launch fighters themselves. Each could carry 24. That pretty much gives you the full compliment. Alternatively, one container could carry PF's So you'd end up with 24 ftrs and 6x Imperial assault shuttles.

A Star Wars mod could be way cool...

A Mon Calimari carrier cruiser could carry something like 4x Carrier cargo containers. The four carrier cargo containers could carry a squad of 4x A-wings, 2x Squads of 4x X-wings and a squad of 4x Y-wings for a total force of 16 small craft. A very deadly force.

Instead of a cargo container, it could house a Corellian corvette... Possibilities are endless...

WickedZombie45 · « **Reply #20 on:** May 07, 2004, 12:08:17 pm »

Actually, I built an Eclipse years ago and it *should* still be at the old OSF site. As far as I'm aware, it's the only one ever made for the game. Though, it could use an upgrade....

I probably won't build any fighters since Firehawk's are more than adequate - I mean, how much detail can you cram into puny little ships that you barely see in-game anyway?

Dizzy · « **Reply #21 on:** May 07, 2004, 01:57:48 pm »

Thats the point, WZ... U dont want to cram a lot of detail in them... Having 16 X,Y or A wings in addition to 6x Imperial assault shuttles and 48 Tie Fighters... PLUS some capital ships... How much CPU horsepower are you gonna need to have to run a mission like that and have it not slow down to 2 or 3 frames a sec?

I dont recall just how detailed FH's models are, but if the little ones are tiny... then can someone use a poly reducer?

SovereignEmpire · « **Reply #22 on:** May 07, 2004, 03:01:07 pm »

Well, that is a seriously awsome Ship ya got there. I look forward to blowing her to peices.

I think i have to add in my own two cents too lol.
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Star Wars technology is not 100% superior to Star Trek. Did you know that when a Star Destroyers shields are up they lose Long Range Communications? It?s stated in ?The Last Command? of the Thrawn Trilogy. Their shields themselves are crap. They have two different types of shields, Physical and Energy, (well that?s not what they call them but that?s what they are). Physical shields stop physical objects like torpedoes or small craft. With those shields up, they cannot launch fighters or missiles of their own. Energy shields stop energy weapons, such as Lasers. Shields take up so much energy; they are not capable of being on at the same time. Most Star Wars fans only compare Federation Technology to Star Wars, but there are plenty of Trek Weapons that would kill the Empire. The Breen CRM-114 is a good example. A Storm Trooper?s armor may be strong, but this weapon would defiantly and literally blow them apart. There are many more things we could continue with, but really this isn?t a Trek vs. Wars thread so I?ll stop now, lol. I?m sure Praxis would like to continue else wear though he always seems to want too?

WickedZombie45 · « **Reply #23 on:** May 07, 2004, 06:14:04 pm »

Heh, Firehawk's models are probably the last ships that need a poly reducer. He tends to keep his ships as playable as possible and those fighters of his are perfect for squadron actions.

You basically just reworded what I'd already said - you don't need a lot of detail for fighters since they're so small and I don't see a reason to make my own versions when they'll end up being carbon copies anyway.

Mariner · « **Reply #24 on:** May 07, 2004, 07:04:36 pm »

Will you ever consider redoing the other ships featured in the OSF site, or atleast move them all onto a seperate section of DRS? I think it would help in trying to find those models.

But, how are the Andromedan Stations coming? If you need an idea or two for them, I could probably sketch a few over the weekend if you need.

Also, will you consider making some of the TOS-era ships, like the Surya, Coventry, Coronado, Sherman, etc. from your Patton? I think that they all could your magic touch.

Praxis · « **Reply #26 on:** May 07, 2004, 07:40:03 pm »

BTW I've already release a Star Wars mod for OP a while back (requires Chris Jones' TNG Mega Mod to play the Star Trek side), and am working on a SFC3 one. Screenshots in the Mod forum.

WZ, think I could use your ISD in the SFC3 mod?

Praxis · « **Reply #28 on:** May 07, 2004, 08:35:15 pm »

No...please...not an MSN group...nooooo...

Maybe I should host my own forum, lol :P

InragedSith · « **Reply #29 on:** May 07, 2004, 08:56:12 pm »

Then how about...

http:\\bbs.stardestroyer.net it's a Trekkies worst nightmare but all well

www.spacebattles.com The debate is basicly dead here all sides are in agreement since Darkstar was banned that Wars would win no questions asked

http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&group=alt.startrek.vs.starwars Heres a relic one of the places the online debate originated from

Praxis · « **Reply #30 on:** May 07, 2004, 09:15:58 pm »

Lets see...Stardestroyer.net is both a warsie and trekkies worst nightmare.

You go in there, make any kind of post, they call it a "me-too" post if its a joke or "repetitive" if its about ST vs SW or call you a moron if you support ST...its almost impossible to make a post without it gettting locked in the ST vs SW section, due to overzealous moderation.

Spacebattles.com were a bunch of whiners during the Darkstar era, and now they've just dropped it.

I want to start a thread on Taldren, but theres no more public Debate or Off Topic forums to post it in, and people would get mad if it was in General chat or SFC forums.

And it wouldn't fit that well in the Cool and Refreshing forum.

SovereignEmpire · « **Reply #31 on:** May 07, 2004, 09:17:04 pm »

StarDestroyer.net is a horrible place to debate. They put down Trek without even a second thought. It?s all like "Well that Phaser couldn?t penetrate that armor so that Phaser is inferior." Or "That Phaser vaporized that armor so that armor is inferior." It?s that same garbage over and over. They never stop to think that maybe Trek and Wars are not superior to each other, but that they both have there ups and downs. Also, Voyager did make contact with the Alpha Quadrant via the Midas Array. It was a good clear signal that reached 70,000 light-years. There was a limited time to make contact, but I?m sure Starfleet was more concerned with the Invasion of the Alpha/Beta Quadrant by the Dominion. Also, if Canon material is only found in the Movies, and the only confirmed canon Wars books are the technical manuals, then doesn?t that mean that the Novels (excluding the Thrawn series because of the "Authorized Continuation" on the back), are non-canon.

SovereignEmpire · « **Reply #33 on:** May 07, 2004, 09:41:12 pm »

Is there an alternative link to the DRS? Before when the site was down, it was just the server?s problem, now it seems to be gone completely. It could be just me though.

Praxis · « **Reply #34 on:** May 07, 2004, 09:43:53 pm »

It went down a few minutes ago, I was talking with WZ when it happened...

The entire Nightsoft site went down in flames.

DonKarnage · « **Reply #35 on:** May 07, 2004, 10:36:48 pm »

well insted of small tie fighter why not make small enterprise class for

fighter (fighter that are small size enterprise class ship), that would be cool to see insted of tie-fighter or anyother fighter from starwars.

Reverend · « **Reply #36 on:** May 07, 2004, 11:11:00 pm »

Really nice work; I have always enjoyed Star Wars... shocked after reading this thread, always thought Star Trek was way more advanced.... drat.
Wicked Z, that is a beauty of a ship, like everything you do.

Do you plan on making a Super Star Destroyer? I know one exists, but.... well... you know...

starforce2 · « **Reply #39 on:** May 08, 2004, 04:56:07 am »

WZ, I know where to get ref pix of a fan made SSD that basicly looks like a more modern SD, much like the Sov is to the galaxy...if you are interested.

Kaenyne · « **Reply #40 on:** May 10, 2004, 09:08:04 am »

well, if WZ isn't interested, I know I am, just for a sake of seeing a modernized take on the Star Destroyer.

Praxis · « **Reply #43 on:** May 10, 2004, 11:17:41 am »

Not "anything else" is canon...
Games and RPG books are not canon...
Just look at the story the RPG books made about Boba Fett being some kind of expeditionist before he became a bounty hunter...

WickedZombie45 · « **Reply #45 on:** May 10, 2004, 01:14:03 pm »

I'd be interested in taking a look at it - never get enough Imperial designs. Constitutions on the other hand, sheesh....

Heh, you guys are still debating? What is it with Star Wars that makes everyone wanna argue?

Khalee · « **Reply #47 on:** May 10, 2004, 02:30:45 pm »

Enterprise is not canon. Unless paramount has said otherwise lately.

Dizzy · « **Reply #51 on:** May 10, 2004, 07:59:28 pm »

I REALLY am interested in doing a D2 server mod for SW. What capital ships do we not have models for?

Dizzy · « **Reply #53 on:** May 11, 2004, 12:00:56 am »

I just want the models. How can I get them? Got a link? My email tops at 5 MB's. Or ten mb.

starforce2 · « **Reply #54 on:** May 11, 2004, 02:35:45 am »

http://www.seansgallery.com/cgi-bin/showpicture.cgi?picture=sdtest_bef&menu=32
http://www.seansgallery.com/cgi-bin/showpicture.cgi?picture=sdtest_after&menu=32
http://www.seansgallery.com/cgi-bin/showpicture.cgi?picture=sdtest_after2&menu=32

These are from sean kennedy over at 3dg. If you browse his gallery you'll find some bsg and trek stuff there as well.

Kaenyne · « **Reply #55 on:** May 11, 2004, 08:31:30 am »

That's a great gallery. I could stare at that stuff forever. The New Imperial Star Destroyer is a very good one, a ship that indeed looks like a descendant of the original. Somehow , the design seems smaller, more compact than her predecessor.

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