Topic: Read something somewhere....whats your take on it?

[Fury_of_a_Seraph]

I read somewhere that all the races in SFB are based off of countries on earth
Federation = US - i think
Klingon = Russia - again, i believe
so on and so forth

What do the other races represent, as i cannot remember them

[Kmelew]

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I read somewhere that all the races in SFB are based off of countries on earth
Federation = US - i think
Klingon = Russia - again, i believe
so on and so forth

What do the other races represent, as i cannot remember them  

I remember reading the same article many years ago!

Let's see...

Romulans=China
Gorn=West Germany
Hydrans=Great Britain
Kzinti (Mirak)=Japanese
WYN=Switzerland

I'm sorry I can't remember what the Lyrans, Tholians or the ISC (possibly the UN) might be...  

[Khalee]

Yes the orginial races were based off earth races and the Romulans were baced on the Chineese. the SFB races that got added later were only loosely baced on earth races. IE the Kzinti Japan, more over the Samuri of Japan. Lyran Fudal Europe,
Gorn West german and or Israel small but good solid ships. Not too sure about the others tho.

[Kmelew]

That's right!

Tholians=Israel  

[DonKarnage]

what about the pirates, who are the?

[Kmelew]

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what about the pirates, who are the?  

Ummm...pirates?  

Updated for today you would have the Enron Cartel, the Worldcomm Cartel, the Arthur Andersen cartel, the Nortel Cartel, etc.  

[Fury_of_a_Seraph]

Would that make the Seltorians Palestine?

[Reverend]

Great, I am compared to people with ridges on their heads, little morals, and prone ot blowing things up all day    

[Fury_of_a_Seraph]

Thats oaky, i am compared to people who think they are right all the time and economically exploit everyone.....

oh wait.....

yeah....

-=runs away=-

[Praxis]

lol...
You know, technically, the Federation is communist.  At least in TNG.  In TOS they weren't.

http://stardestroyer.net/Empire/Essays/Trek-Marxism.html

It's actually quite interesting...read through it.

[SovereignEmpire]

  Praxis, you seem to worship that website or something.  I have to tell you that Star Destroyer.net is not canon and everything they say is in someway contradiction or just plain wrong.  The Federation is a definite Democracy as they have a senate and a president.

[Fury_of_a_Seraph]

Its not necessarily impossible to have a Communistic Democracy... is it?
i mean, are they entirely contradictory?

Democracy is a political system, Communism is more an economic system.
Just like how the US is a Capitalistic Democracy, and Canada is a Socialistic Democracy....

[111wallace111]

actually that site really doesn't understand communism at all.....


Not having a stock market doesn't mean communist.... It seems a weak argument  at best.....

 

[InragedSith]

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   I have to tell you that Star Destroyer.net is not canon

No one claims it is

stardestroyer.net uses observations of canon material to reach it's conclusions the site itself isn't canon

Thanks to the nice folks a Lucasfilm for making the ICS books canon Trek versus Wars is a no brainer as to which would win

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 and everything they say is in someway contradiction or just plain wrong.

That's your opinion of the site very well that's your opinion

Darkstars site is far worse

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 The Federation is a definite Democracy as they have a senate and a president.  

That doesn't mean they can't be commies

[Praxis]

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Praxis, you seem to worship that website or something. I have to tell you that Star Destroyer.net is not canon and everything they say is in someway contradiction or just plain wrong. The Federation is a definite Democracy as they have a senate and a president.

You should actually READ the essay...it's quite well written.

Democratic is not the opposite of communism.  Democratic is the opposite of imperialism.

Communism is an ECONOMIC system-  the opposite of capitalism.

In the US we have a democratic political system and a capitalistic economy.  The Soviet Union had an imperialistic political system (one ruler) and a communistic economic system.

The Federation has a Democratic political system and Communistic economic system.

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actually that site really doesn't understand communism at all.....


Not having a stock market doesn't mean communist.... It seems a weak argument at best.....

Er...

Read the whole thing.  Or at least more of it.

Federation members don't own property- have you ever seen a civilian in a personal starship (not a passenger ship), other than non-Federation races?

Everything is controlled by the government- there are no companies, no news services, no COURTS, except the Federation.  When civilians go to trial they are tried by Starfleet.  When there are news broadcasts, they are sent by the Federation.

They control *everything*

[111wallace111]

 

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 Federation members don't own property- have you ever seen a civilian in a personal starship (not a passenger ship), other than non-Federation races?
 

You mean besides Hary Mudd, The Tribble guy , can't remember his name, and the Great O'conna.... I think from the TNG episode......  What about Sisco's girlfriend.....

Sisco's dad has a resteraunt... Picard's family has a vinyard........... There are references to ownership of personal property all over Star Trek..... small and large.........   In TOS TNG DS9 VOY They all have had references to it....

The accumulation of wealth may not be the primary concern of the federation, but you can't escape that almost everyone claimed personal property of some kind.
From ranches in Alaska to Yatchs.
   

[Chrystoff]

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Updated for today you would have the Enron Cartel, the Worldcomm Cartel, the Arthur Andersen cartel, the Nortel Cartel, etc.  

I was thinking South American & Asian crime organizations or syndicates...  

[Chrystoff]

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 The accumulation of wealth may not be the primary concern of the federation, but you can't escape that almost everyone claimed personal property of some kind.
From ranches in Alaska to Yatchs.
   

In the words of Mr. Scott in The Undiscovered Country: "That's okay by me. I just bought a boat."  

[InragedSith]

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You mean besides Hary Mudd

He's talking about TNG era trek

In TOS and TMP era the Feds were capitalist

A few believe a coup ocurred sometime inbetween "The Undiscovered Country" and "Encounter at Farpoint"

 

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and the Great O'conna.... I think from the TNG episode.

What episode?

Is he a Federation citizen?

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....  What about Sisco's girlfriend.....

She's a smuggler

The fact she's banging Sisco is the only reason she's not in a Federation detention center

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Sisco's dad has a resteraunt...

Do people pay for the food?

Odds are the resturaunt is just there for atmosphere and novelty purposes

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Picard's family has a vinyard...........

The vinyard has no technology to make wine production efficient and cost effective

The vinyard is just there for atmosphere to make the French countryside look nice

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There are references to ownership of personal property all over Star Trek..... small and large.........   In TOS TNG DS9 VOY They all have had references to it....

TOS and movie 1-6 Feds are captialist leave them out of this

Where are the refrences in TNG, DS9, and VOY?

Keep in mind a person who is without a doubt a Federation citizen must make those references because only the TNG era Federation is communist

[Chrystoff]

Wow.  Your line of reasoning on this is very interesting, and you mention some things I honestly had not thought of before. I don't agree with it, but you do make some very thought provoking points...