Topic: For stormy- paw paws.

[msnevil]

Are Native in my area. We call it the Indiana banana. The plant looks like a Tropical plant. With a long oval with a pointy look to them. They grow about 10-15 ft tall. The tree is girth is very small. It is easily blown over by winds unless it surrounded by a protective barrier. They grow in open "forest" spaces. (They need lots of light). And Grow best when the forest canopy is small. In Indiana, when the forest trees are at their maturity. The Paws paws die out from lack of "light". They also grow good where fire has defistated the woodland. Also too much light will also kill them. Hence their best growth is a recently cleared forest between 2-15 years.

Every thing except the "fruit" is poisonous. The Native Indians Miami and potawami (spelling?) used the ground bark as a natural hallucigintic. (One of our horses died from stripping the bark off a tree. Deer also like to rut on them. Why, I don't know) The fruit has a very sweet tangy banana taste. Like mixing banana's with kiwi. Nutrasweet is a by product of paw paw research. The Fruit if ate in abundance has a Narcotic effect. Hence its popularity with native back woodsmen. The fruit goes for about $20.00 a pound. (Notice my Dad sold them 15 years ago. )

The leaves when crushed are a natural bug repellent.

It is a semi annual plant. And needs coldness for it to survive. Hence its limited expansion in America. (We lost a lot of paw paws due to a "mild" Indian winter.) So I suggest to get a green house that can have its T* lowered below 0* Celsius or 32 F*.

I never known anybody to grow them. They grow naturally in Northern Indiana. Hence, why grow them? I can though get you some if you want.  Usually about late sept\early october.

Oh also. The fruit can ONLY BE EATEN AFTER THE FIRST FROST. Not Before. Otherwise it tastes very sour. Like native "Crab" apples. wait to they are yellow or brown. Don't EAT WHEN GREEN.

Also Note. Our horses used to get high off of the fruit. They act like cats around pussy willows or Cat Nip. Watching a 500lb Horse rolling around in the Dirt like a cat. Is defintly out of the ordinary. Especially since they sleep standing up. Well they do roll in the dirt to repel bugs. But that is only a temp thing.

google hits for you.

http://www.crfg.org/pubs/ff/pawpaw.html

http://www.cdr3.com/pawpaw/

-hoosier song. (my grandfather sung this.)
http://www.volcano.net/~jackmearl/songs/tsongs/the_paw_paw_patch.html

Local College- Purdue studies.

http://www.hort.purdue.edu/newcrop/CropFactSheets/pawpaw.html  

[Stormbringer]

Outstanding Info! I'd never have found a tenth of the info right there. I have four beautiful plants but my mom would like some so if you still want to pull up a few saplings and baggy them in wet newspaper for shipping we'll pay your shipping. The trees we got are finally thriving. I think how they fare is in part dependant on the climate history in the area they are at because they are found through out the east as well as your area. These are about 2.5 feet tall but some ofthier leaves are already 8 inches long and getting bigger all the time.  

[Stormbringer]

Nevermind on the saplings. it is too late in the season. They would not survive. Some seed would do nicely if you can find some without too much trouble.

[msnevil]

The seeds will have to be shipped around Oct.  though. If you are in a hurry, there are local "green houses" in my area that might have them in a dried freezing condition. Though they need to be kept chilled. And I really don't know how to do that. Via shipping. Unless maybe a thermis with Fast track?

Toll free number for a paw paw orchard. (I didn't know they existed.)
1-800-972-2101

Or I can buy them myself. Plant them now. And grow the seeds for you. (takes about 2-3 years, if I remember right.) Tame kind. (The Wild kind I can easily get in the fall.)

anyway, I hope that helps.

Now Back to BattleCry2 Extreme.  

[Stormbringer]

No they don't need to be stored chilled (except for long term storage.) I got seven seeds from one green house already they shipped them normal temperature with instructions on prompting the seeds to germinate(a process called cold stratification where they are stored in damp peat in a baggie in the crisper of a refridgerator for a couple of months to 180 days. The species is so variable that despite my growing number of them I'd like seed from your area. you can wait for fruit or pick some off the ground from last year. the seeds are so large you should have no problem finding some even from last year.

I have two survivors from one green house and two saplings from another that I can already see morphological differences in the branching and leaf size. The ones from your area may be the only ones with the narcotic properties you described. But what I really trying to do is get a prolific plantthat has large superb tasting fruit. Since there are so many varieties getting specimens from all over is the best way to do it.

[msnevil]

Remind me in Sept and I will get some of the wild variety sent to you then.  

[Stormbringer]

WILCO.

[msnevil]

Are Native in my area. We call it the Indiana banana. The plant looks like a Tropical plant. With a long oval with a pointy look to them. They grow about 10-15 ft tall. The tree is girth is very small. It is easily blown over by winds unless it surrounded by a protective barrier. They grow in open "forest" spaces. (They need lots of light). And Grow best when the forest canopy is small. In Indiana, when the forest trees are at their maturity. The Paws paws die out from lack of "light". They also grow good where fire has defistated the woodland. Also too much light will also kill them. Hence their best growth is a recently cleared forest between 2-15 years.

Every thing except the "fruit" is poisonous. The Native Indians Miami and potawami (spelling?) used the ground bark as a natural hallucigintic. (One of our horses died from stripping the bark off a tree. Deer also like to rut on them. Why, I don't know) The fruit has a very sweet tangy banana taste. Like mixing banana's with kiwi. Nutrasweet is a by product of paw paw research. The Fruit if ate in abundance has a Narcotic effect. Hence its popularity with native back woodsmen. The fruit goes for about $20.00 a pound. (Notice my Dad sold them 15 years ago. )

The leaves when crushed are a natural bug repellent.

It is a semi annual plant. And needs coldness for it to survive. Hence its limited expansion in America. (We lost a lot of paw paws due to a "mild" Indian winter.) So I suggest to get a green house that can have its T* lowered below 0* Celsius or 32 F*.

I never known anybody to grow them. They grow naturally in Northern Indiana. Hence, why grow them? I can though get you some if you want.  Usually about late sept\early october.

Oh also. The fruit can ONLY BE EATEN AFTER THE FIRST FROST. Not Before. Otherwise it tastes very sour. Like native "Crab" apples. wait to they are yellow or brown. Don't EAT WHEN GREEN.

Also Note. Our horses used to get high off of the fruit. They act like cats around pussy willows or Cat Nip. Watching a 500lb Horse rolling around in the Dirt like a cat. Is defintly out of the ordinary. Especially since they sleep standing up. Well they do roll in the dirt to repel bugs. But that is only a temp thing.

google hits for you.

http://www.crfg.org/pubs/ff/pawpaw.html

http://www.cdr3.com/pawpaw/

-hoosier song. (my grandfather sung this.)
http://www.volcano.net/~jackmearl/songs/tsongs/the_paw_paw_patch.html

Local College- Purdue studies.

http://www.hort.purdue.edu/newcrop/CropFactSheets/pawpaw.html  

[Stormbringer]

Outstanding Info! I'd never have found a tenth of the info right there. I have four beautiful plants but my mom would like some so if you still want to pull up a few saplings and baggy them in wet newspaper for shipping we'll pay your shipping. The trees we got are finally thriving. I think how they fare is in part dependant on the climate history in the area they are at because they are found through out the east as well as your area. These are about 2.5 feet tall but some ofthier leaves are already 8 inches long and getting bigger all the time.  

[Stormbringer]

Nevermind on the saplings. it is too late in the season. They would not survive. Some seed would do nicely if you can find some without too much trouble.

[msnevil]

The seeds will have to be shipped around Oct.  though. If you are in a hurry, there are local "green houses" in my area that might have them in a dried freezing condition. Though they need to be kept chilled. And I really don't know how to do that. Via shipping. Unless maybe a thermis with Fast track?

Toll free number for a paw paw orchard. (I didn't know they existed.)
1-800-972-2101

Or I can buy them myself. Plant them now. And grow the seeds for you. (takes about 2-3 years, if I remember right.) Tame kind. (The Wild kind I can easily get in the fall.)

anyway, I hope that helps.

Now Back to BattleCry2 Extreme.  

[Stormbringer]

No they don't need to be stored chilled (except for long term storage.) I got seven seeds from one green house already they shipped them normal temperature with instructions on prompting the seeds to germinate(a process called cold stratification where they are stored in damp peat in a baggie in the crisper of a refridgerator for a couple of months to 180 days. The species is so variable that despite my growing number of them I'd like seed from your area. you can wait for fruit or pick some off the ground from last year. the seeds are so large you should have no problem finding some even from last year.

I have two survivors from one green house and two saplings from another that I can already see morphological differences in the branching and leaf size. The ones from your area may be the only ones with the narcotic properties you described. But what I really trying to do is get a prolific plantthat has large superb tasting fruit. Since there are so many varieties getting specimens from all over is the best way to do it.

[msnevil]

Remind me in Sept and I will get some of the wild variety sent to you then.  

[Stormbringer]

WILCO.

[msnevil]

Are Native in my area. We call it the Indiana banana. The plant looks like a Tropical plant. With a long oval with a pointy look to them. They grow about 10-15 ft tall. The tree is girth is very small. It is easily blown over by winds unless it surrounded by a protective barrier. They grow in open "forest" spaces. (They need lots of light). And Grow best when the forest canopy is small. In Indiana, when the forest trees are at their maturity. The Paws paws die out from lack of "light". They also grow good where fire has defistated the woodland. Also too much light will also kill them. Hence their best growth is a recently cleared forest between 2-15 years.

Every thing except the "fruit" is poisonous. The Native Indians Miami and potawami (spelling?) used the ground bark as a natural hallucigintic. (One of our horses died from stripping the bark off a tree. Deer also like to rut on them. Why, I don't know) The fruit has a very sweet tangy banana taste. Like mixing banana's with kiwi. Nutrasweet is a by product of paw paw research. The Fruit if ate in abundance has a Narcotic effect. Hence its popularity with native back woodsmen. The fruit goes for about $20.00 a pound. (Notice my Dad sold them 15 years ago. )

The leaves when crushed are a natural bug repellent.

It is a semi annual plant. And needs coldness for it to survive. Hence its limited expansion in America. (We lost a lot of paw paws due to a "mild" Indian winter.) So I suggest to get a green house that can have its T* lowered below 0* Celsius or 32 F*.

I never known anybody to grow them. They grow naturally in Northern Indiana. Hence, why grow them? I can though get you some if you want.  Usually about late sept\early october.

Oh also. The fruit can ONLY BE EATEN AFTER THE FIRST FROST. Not Before. Otherwise it tastes very sour. Like native "Crab" apples. wait to they are yellow or brown. Don't EAT WHEN GREEN.

Also Note. Our horses used to get high off of the fruit. They act like cats around pussy willows or Cat Nip. Watching a 500lb Horse rolling around in the Dirt like a cat. Is defintly out of the ordinary. Especially since they sleep standing up. Well they do roll in the dirt to repel bugs. But that is only a temp thing.

google hits for you.

http://www.crfg.org/pubs/ff/pawpaw.html

http://www.cdr3.com/pawpaw/

-hoosier song. (my grandfather sung this.)
http://www.volcano.net/~jackmearl/songs/tsongs/the_paw_paw_patch.html

Local College- Purdue studies.

http://www.hort.purdue.edu/newcrop/CropFactSheets/pawpaw.html  

[Stormbringer]

Outstanding Info! I'd never have found a tenth of the info right there. I have four beautiful plants but my mom would like some so if you still want to pull up a few saplings and baggy them in wet newspaper for shipping we'll pay your shipping. The trees we got are finally thriving. I think how they fare is in part dependant on the climate history in the area they are at because they are found through out the east as well as your area. These are about 2.5 feet tall but some ofthier leaves are already 8 inches long and getting bigger all the time.  

[Stormbringer]

Nevermind on the saplings. it is too late in the season. They would not survive. Some seed would do nicely if you can find some without too much trouble.

[msnevil]

The seeds will have to be shipped around Oct.  though. If you are in a hurry, there are local "green houses" in my area that might have them in a dried freezing condition. Though they need to be kept chilled. And I really don't know how to do that. Via shipping. Unless maybe a thermis with Fast track?

Toll free number for a paw paw orchard. (I didn't know they existed.)
1-800-972-2101

Or I can buy them myself. Plant them now. And grow the seeds for you. (takes about 2-3 years, if I remember right.) Tame kind. (The Wild kind I can easily get in the fall.)

anyway, I hope that helps.

Now Back to BattleCry2 Extreme.  

[Stormbringer]

No they don't need to be stored chilled (except for long term storage.) I got seven seeds from one green house already they shipped them normal temperature with instructions on prompting the seeds to germinate(a process called cold stratification where they are stored in damp peat in a baggie in the crisper of a refridgerator for a couple of months to 180 days. The species is so variable that despite my growing number of them I'd like seed from your area. you can wait for fruit or pick some off the ground from last year. the seeds are so large you should have no problem finding some even from last year.

I have two survivors from one green house and two saplings from another that I can already see morphological differences in the branching and leaf size. The ones from your area may be the only ones with the narcotic properties you described. But what I really trying to do is get a prolific plantthat has large superb tasting fruit. Since there are so many varieties getting specimens from all over is the best way to do it.

[msnevil]

Remind me in Sept and I will get some of the wild variety sent to you then.