Topic: Dictatorship by committee- check it out (Read 6057 times)

J. Carney · « **on:** April 28, 2004, 08:01:46 pm »

Dictatorship by Committee

Don't you all just love Cali.

Good intentions, but...

Khalee · « **Reply #1 on:** April 28, 2004, 08:27:06 pm »

Well there is a town In Canada that prohibits smoking inside its town limits, How did I find out?, I had to pick up a load there one time, and part of the load info told me that. Said not to smoke inside the truck while inside the town limits or you could be going to jail and have the truck impounded. Talk about going over board

Id like to know how they intended to enforce it myself.

Clark Kent · « **Reply #2 on:** April 28, 2004, 09:54:32 pm »

I rarely like to generalize, but California seems to be the exception for me. The whole premise that those people seem to operate on just drives me up a wall. I won't say all californians are bad, cuz they aren't, not by a long shot, but the ignorance of the legislation that goes on over there is mindboggling...

CK

P.S. I like Latinas...
...And apparently Asian ladies as well...

Interloper · « **Reply #3 on:** April 29, 2004, 08:37:24 am »

with all the smog and everything else who will notice the smoke?

J/K

Actually i agree with that, my parents smoked when i was younger and
I remember alot of times it got pretty bad in the car and you couldn't get
away from it. Most smokers never realize how bad the smell is and how
powerful it is until they stop themselves.

Sethan · « **Reply #4 on:** April 29, 2004, 09:33:17 am »

Quote:

with all the smog and everything else who will notice the smoke?

Heard a bit on the news this morning - Santa Barbara county in CA has the worst air quality in the US.

Clark Kent · « **Reply #6 on:** April 29, 2004, 12:05:19 pm »

Playing devil's advocate, I've never heard of any actual proof that cigarette smoke causes cancer. I've seen proof of a strong correlation between the two, but no proof of cause. Now, do I believe that cigarette smoke increases the odds of you developing a type of cancer, especially lung cancer? You bet your psterior I do, I just don't see the whole proof thing.
If we're talking common sense, though, then common sense tells you not to breath in anything that's not clean air, but I think it all boils down to choice, and choice is paramount in this country. You don't want to give choice to people, even if they are bent on making a stupid choice, then you have a serious contradiction to the bvery principles that this country is founded on. Besides, as usual California governmentla policy is completely backwards. They worry and cry and scream over the carcinogens in cigarette smoke, and totally ignore the ones filling the air because of the overpopulation and overly indulgant cities there.
Also, while many institutions and powers in this country do not agree with me, I stronlgy believe that your car is YOUR property, and what you do in it is YOUR business. If you want to get on people for making stupid decisions, then most of this country needs to be punished, perhaps thrown in institutions so their decisions can be micromanaged, but that's not an ideal that this country was founded on.

CK

P.S. I like Latinas...
...And apparently Asian Ladies as well...

Clark Kent · « **Reply #8 on:** April 30, 2004, 12:39:05 am »

Around my neck of the woods, they almost all have that accent, so it makes no nevermind to me...
I agree with you post. It really bothers me thatr California is a leader in policy in the US, I don't think that state has earned that right, at all. Yes, their laws are well meaning, but completely lack in common sense, and fail to adhere to the guidelines of the US constitution. Qute frankly, i have no respect for the californian government.
You're doubly right also: Utopia can't be made with laws. It's sociology 101. The strength of laws is the willingness of people to cpaitulate and put up with the law, assuming it doesn't fit with a society's moral and ethical ideals. Besides, laws are guidelines, menat to show us the general way, not dictate every last mile of the trip.

CK

P.S. I like Latinas...
....And apparently Asian ladies as well...

Demandred · « **Reply #9 on:** April 30, 2004, 08:05:58 am »

I agree with the law - smoking in a confined area with children is child abuse. And I say that as a smoker.

Clark Kent · « **Reply #11 on:** April 30, 2004, 06:22:46 pm »

I would, but don't feel like getting myself arrested right now. However, make a trip up this way, talk about having kids and have a ring on hand, and several of them should pop out of the woodwork immediately.

CK

P.S. I like Latinas...
....And apparently Asian ladies as well...

SL-Punisher · « **Reply #13 on:** April 30, 2004, 08:09:05 pm »

Smoking causes cancer or heart disease. Come on now...don't try and say otherwise.

I respect smokers right to smoke, however, when it comes to polluting other peoples air I find it curious they are unwilling to respect others right to breathe clean air..especially their own children.

SL-Punisher · « **Reply #15 on:** April 30, 2004, 08:16:13 pm »

Smoke long enough and the possibility of cancer, heart disease, or serious health problems become almost 100%

J. Carney · « **Reply #16 on:** May 01, 2004, 01:31:59 am »

Yes, those comittiees are made up of SOME of our elected officials- but forsomething to become a law ALL of those elected officials are supposed to vote. I think that's their (overpaid for doing it) job. I wouldn't have a problem with this law if ALL THE REPRESENTATIVES vouted it into being; but only a select few got any say. and those most likely don'trepresent the majority of the people.

You start picking and choosing who makes the laws then you start down a long, slow slide towards something unpleasant.

I don't like committees. They are shortcuts around Constitutional law.

And I'd like to think that I could have the ability to do as I wish on my own property, within reason. As much as many people hate it, tobaccoo is a LEGAL drug, and therefore possession and use of it is OK, even if people arestupid enough to hurt others by their actions. We mitigate this effect by banning it's use in public places; but in the privacy ofyour own home, you may do anything you wish as long as it's legal- and smoking (even around kids) is. I will say that never smoked inside a car or house when a kid was present, and even stobbed it out if a kid sat close by in a restraunt. This is just good manners. Since i've quit, I notice people doing this more often, but not always.

That is what any morality law boils down to- the government trying to rectify some defectt in a person's upbringing. It says 'don't worry about raising your kids right- we'll make laws to keep them in line.'

That's somethnig else I'm opposed to.

Wulgaru · « **Reply #17 on:** May 01, 2004, 10:16:27 am »

The fact is Carney, while this bill may have been passed by a commitee, it still needs to go to the state assembly to be passed. The purpose of commitees is to approve legislation before it goes to the assembly. This bill cannot become law until it is run through the assembly, and the commitee passing it only means that it is one step closer to heading towards the assembly.

If the state assembly voted on every piece of legislation that was put forward, they would be voting every five minutes. That's why commitees are tasked with approving legislation before they go to the assembly, so as to reduce the number of bills which are needed to be voted on. It also helps to weed out the totally ridiculous ones, and like I said, this particular piece of legislation does have some legitamacy.

SL-Punisher · « **Reply #18 on:** May 01, 2004, 01:38:23 pm »

Yet there are restrictions on how you use that drug. In some states you can't smoke in resturants or bars.

J. Carney · « **Reply #20 on:** April 28, 2004, 08:01:46 pm »

Dictatorship by Committee

Don't you all just love Cali.

Good intentions, but...

Khalee · « **Reply #21 on:** April 28, 2004, 08:27:06 pm »

Well there is a town In Canada that prohibits smoking inside its town limits, How did I find out?, I had to pick up a load there one time, and part of the load info told me that. Said not to smoke inside the truck while inside the town limits or you could be going to jail and have the truck impounded. Talk about going over board

Id like to know how they intended to enforce it myself.

Clark Kent · « **Reply #22 on:** April 28, 2004, 09:54:32 pm »

I rarely like to generalize, but California seems to be the exception for me. The whole premise that those people seem to operate on just drives me up a wall. I won't say all californians are bad, cuz they aren't, not by a long shot, but the ignorance of the legislation that goes on over there is mindboggling...

CK

P.S. I like Latinas...
...And apparently Asian ladies as well...

Interloper · « **Reply #23 on:** April 29, 2004, 08:37:24 am »

with all the smog and everything else who will notice the smoke?

J/K

Actually i agree with that, my parents smoked when i was younger and
I remember alot of times it got pretty bad in the car and you couldn't get
away from it. Most smokers never realize how bad the smell is and how
powerful it is until they stop themselves.

Clark Kent · « **Reply #26 on:** April 29, 2004, 12:05:19 pm »

Playing devil's advocate, I've never heard of any actual proof that cigarette smoke causes cancer. I've seen proof of a strong correlation between the two, but no proof of cause. Now, do I believe that cigarette smoke increases the odds of you developing a type of cancer, especially lung cancer? You bet your psterior I do, I just don't see the whole proof thing.
If we're talking common sense, though, then common sense tells you not to breath in anything that's not clean air, but I think it all boils down to choice, and choice is paramount in this country. You don't want to give choice to people, even if they are bent on making a stupid choice, then you have a serious contradiction to the bvery principles that this country is founded on. Besides, as usual California governmentla policy is completely backwards. They worry and cry and scream over the carcinogens in cigarette smoke, and totally ignore the ones filling the air because of the overpopulation and overly indulgant cities there.
Also, while many institutions and powers in this country do not agree with me, I stronlgy believe that your car is YOUR property, and what you do in it is YOUR business. If you want to get on people for making stupid decisions, then most of this country needs to be punished, perhaps thrown in institutions so their decisions can be micromanaged, but that's not an ideal that this country was founded on.

CK

P.S. I like Latinas...
...And apparently Asian Ladies as well...

Clark Kent · « **Reply #28 on:** April 30, 2004, 12:39:05 am »

Around my neck of the woods, they almost all have that accent, so it makes no nevermind to me...
I agree with you post. It really bothers me thatr California is a leader in policy in the US, I don't think that state has earned that right, at all. Yes, their laws are well meaning, but completely lack in common sense, and fail to adhere to the guidelines of the US constitution. Qute frankly, i have no respect for the californian government.
You're doubly right also: Utopia can't be made with laws. It's sociology 101. The strength of laws is the willingness of people to cpaitulate and put up with the law, assuming it doesn't fit with a society's moral and ethical ideals. Besides, laws are guidelines, menat to show us the general way, not dictate every last mile of the trip.

CK

P.S. I like Latinas...
....And apparently Asian ladies as well...

Demandred · « **Reply #29 on:** April 30, 2004, 08:05:58 am »

I agree with the law - smoking in a confined area with children is child abuse. And I say that as a smoker.

Clark Kent · « **Reply #31 on:** April 30, 2004, 06:22:46 pm »

I would, but don't feel like getting myself arrested right now. However, make a trip up this way, talk about having kids and have a ring on hand, and several of them should pop out of the woodwork immediately.

CK

P.S. I like Latinas...
....And apparently Asian ladies as well...

SL-Punisher · « **Reply #33 on:** April 30, 2004, 08:09:05 pm »

Smoking causes cancer or heart disease. Come on now...don't try and say otherwise.

I respect smokers right to smoke, however, when it comes to polluting other peoples air I find it curious they are unwilling to respect others right to breathe clean air..especially their own children.

SL-Punisher · « **Reply #35 on:** April 30, 2004, 08:16:13 pm »

Smoke long enough and the possibility of cancer, heart disease, or serious health problems become almost 100%

J. Carney · « **Reply #36 on:** May 01, 2004, 01:31:59 am »

Yes, those comittiees are made up of SOME of our elected officials- but forsomething to become a law ALL of those elected officials are supposed to vote. I think that's their (overpaid for doing it) job. I wouldn't have a problem with this law if ALL THE REPRESENTATIVES vouted it into being; but only a select few got any say. and those most likely don'trepresent the majority of the people.

You start picking and choosing who makes the laws then you start down a long, slow slide towards something unpleasant.

I don't like committees. They are shortcuts around Constitutional law.

And I'd like to think that I could have the ability to do as I wish on my own property, within reason. As much as many people hate it, tobaccoo is a LEGAL drug, and therefore possession and use of it is OK, even if people arestupid enough to hurt others by their actions. We mitigate this effect by banning it's use in public places; but in the privacy ofyour own home, you may do anything you wish as long as it's legal- and smoking (even around kids) is. I will say that never smoked inside a car or house when a kid was present, and even stobbed it out if a kid sat close by in a restraunt. This is just good manners. Since i've quit, I notice people doing this more often, but not always.

That is what any morality law boils down to- the government trying to rectify some defectt in a person's upbringing. It says 'don't worry about raising your kids right- we'll make laws to keep them in line.'

That's somethnig else I'm opposed to.

Wulgaru · « **Reply #37 on:** May 01, 2004, 10:16:27 am »

The fact is Carney, while this bill may have been passed by a commitee, it still needs to go to the state assembly to be passed. The purpose of commitees is to approve legislation before it goes to the assembly. This bill cannot become law until it is run through the assembly, and the commitee passing it only means that it is one step closer to heading towards the assembly.

If the state assembly voted on every piece of legislation that was put forward, they would be voting every five minutes. That's why commitees are tasked with approving legislation before they go to the assembly, so as to reduce the number of bills which are needed to be voted on. It also helps to weed out the totally ridiculous ones, and like I said, this particular piece of legislation does have some legitamacy.

SL-Punisher · « **Reply #38 on:** May 01, 2004, 01:38:23 pm »

Yet there are restrictions on how you use that drug. In some states you can't smoke in resturants or bars.

J. Carney · « **Reply #40 on:** April 28, 2004, 08:01:46 pm »

Dictatorship by Committee

Don't you all just love Cali.

Good intentions, but...

Khalee · « **Reply #41 on:** April 28, 2004, 08:27:06 pm »

Well there is a town In Canada that prohibits smoking inside its town limits, How did I find out?, I had to pick up a load there one time, and part of the load info told me that. Said not to smoke inside the truck while inside the town limits or you could be going to jail and have the truck impounded. Talk about going over board

Id like to know how they intended to enforce it myself.

Clark Kent · « **Reply #42 on:** April 28, 2004, 09:54:32 pm »

I rarely like to generalize, but California seems to be the exception for me. The whole premise that those people seem to operate on just drives me up a wall. I won't say all californians are bad, cuz they aren't, not by a long shot, but the ignorance of the legislation that goes on over there is mindboggling...

CK

P.S. I like Latinas...
...And apparently Asian ladies as well...

Interloper · « **Reply #43 on:** April 29, 2004, 08:37:24 am »

with all the smog and everything else who will notice the smoke?

J/K

Actually i agree with that, my parents smoked when i was younger and
I remember alot of times it got pretty bad in the car and you couldn't get
away from it. Most smokers never realize how bad the smell is and how
powerful it is until they stop themselves.

Clark Kent · « **Reply #46 on:** April 29, 2004, 12:05:19 pm »

Playing devil's advocate, I've never heard of any actual proof that cigarette smoke causes cancer. I've seen proof of a strong correlation between the two, but no proof of cause. Now, do I believe that cigarette smoke increases the odds of you developing a type of cancer, especially lung cancer? You bet your psterior I do, I just don't see the whole proof thing.
If we're talking common sense, though, then common sense tells you not to breath in anything that's not clean air, but I think it all boils down to choice, and choice is paramount in this country. You don't want to give choice to people, even if they are bent on making a stupid choice, then you have a serious contradiction to the bvery principles that this country is founded on. Besides, as usual California governmentla policy is completely backwards. They worry and cry and scream over the carcinogens in cigarette smoke, and totally ignore the ones filling the air because of the overpopulation and overly indulgant cities there.
Also, while many institutions and powers in this country do not agree with me, I stronlgy believe that your car is YOUR property, and what you do in it is YOUR business. If you want to get on people for making stupid decisions, then most of this country needs to be punished, perhaps thrown in institutions so their decisions can be micromanaged, but that's not an ideal that this country was founded on.

CK

P.S. I like Latinas...
...And apparently Asian Ladies as well...

Clark Kent · « **Reply #48 on:** April 30, 2004, 12:39:05 am »

Around my neck of the woods, they almost all have that accent, so it makes no nevermind to me...
I agree with you post. It really bothers me thatr California is a leader in policy in the US, I don't think that state has earned that right, at all. Yes, their laws are well meaning, but completely lack in common sense, and fail to adhere to the guidelines of the US constitution. Qute frankly, i have no respect for the californian government.
You're doubly right also: Utopia can't be made with laws. It's sociology 101. The strength of laws is the willingness of people to cpaitulate and put up with the law, assuming it doesn't fit with a society's moral and ethical ideals. Besides, laws are guidelines, menat to show us the general way, not dictate every last mile of the trip.

CK

P.S. I like Latinas...
....And apparently Asian ladies as well...

Demandred · « **Reply #49 on:** April 30, 2004, 08:05:58 am »

I agree with the law - smoking in a confined area with children is child abuse. And I say that as a smoker.

Clark Kent · « **Reply #51 on:** April 30, 2004, 06:22:46 pm »

I would, but don't feel like getting myself arrested right now. However, make a trip up this way, talk about having kids and have a ring on hand, and several of them should pop out of the woodwork immediately.

CK

P.S. I like Latinas...
....And apparently Asian ladies as well...

SL-Punisher · « **Reply #53 on:** April 30, 2004, 08:09:05 pm »

Smoking causes cancer or heart disease. Come on now...don't try and say otherwise.

I respect smokers right to smoke, however, when it comes to polluting other peoples air I find it curious they are unwilling to respect others right to breathe clean air..especially their own children.

SL-Punisher · « **Reply #55 on:** April 30, 2004, 08:16:13 pm »

Smoke long enough and the possibility of cancer, heart disease, or serious health problems become almost 100%

J. Carney · « **Reply #56 on:** May 01, 2004, 01:31:59 am »

Yes, those comittiees are made up of SOME of our elected officials- but forsomething to become a law ALL of those elected officials are supposed to vote. I think that's their (overpaid for doing it) job. I wouldn't have a problem with this law if ALL THE REPRESENTATIVES vouted it into being; but only a select few got any say. and those most likely don'trepresent the majority of the people.

You start picking and choosing who makes the laws then you start down a long, slow slide towards something unpleasant.

I don't like committees. They are shortcuts around Constitutional law.

And I'd like to think that I could have the ability to do as I wish on my own property, within reason. As much as many people hate it, tobaccoo is a LEGAL drug, and therefore possession and use of it is OK, even if people arestupid enough to hurt others by their actions. We mitigate this effect by banning it's use in public places; but in the privacy ofyour own home, you may do anything you wish as long as it's legal- and smoking (even around kids) is. I will say that never smoked inside a car or house when a kid was present, and even stobbed it out if a kid sat close by in a restraunt. This is just good manners. Since i've quit, I notice people doing this more often, but not always.

That is what any morality law boils down to- the government trying to rectify some defectt in a person's upbringing. It says 'don't worry about raising your kids right- we'll make laws to keep them in line.'

That's somethnig else I'm opposed to.

Wulgaru · « **Reply #57 on:** May 01, 2004, 10:16:27 am »

The fact is Carney, while this bill may have been passed by a commitee, it still needs to go to the state assembly to be passed. The purpose of commitees is to approve legislation before it goes to the assembly. This bill cannot become law until it is run through the assembly, and the commitee passing it only means that it is one step closer to heading towards the assembly.

If the state assembly voted on every piece of legislation that was put forward, they would be voting every five minutes. That's why commitees are tasked with approving legislation before they go to the assembly, so as to reduce the number of bills which are needed to be voted on. It also helps to weed out the totally ridiculous ones, and like I said, this particular piece of legislation does have some legitamacy.

SL-Punisher · « **Reply #58 on:** May 01, 2004, 01:38:23 pm »

Yet there are restrictions on how you use that drug. In some states you can't smoke in resturants or bars.

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Wulgaru

SL-Punisher

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