Topic: Azel ... you up to doing another little project

[olbuzzard]

HMMM  ...  i kinda wondered about that.  Truthfully the proportionate thing is of the utmost concern for me...  thanks ..  I'll up-grade a little later.

thanks for the input !

[ModelsPlease]

Ol'Buzzard sir, you mentioned Klingon "armor" on the ships earlier, I don't think the narcelles should be exposed at all.If we are to redefine or upgrade them why not try covering the narcelles with armor ?  

[olbuzzard]

On the contrary ..  I guess what I was tryig to say that they are "lighter weight" ...  and in some cases less concerned about "covering" certain aspects of the ship...  take a look at most of the designs that have typified Klingon design.  They are more practicle, more energy effecient, maneuverable with faster loading weapons....  (weapons that do less damage per round ...  but relaod at a faster rate...  etc)

If that is the case ... then all of the "extra apendages" with  as many as 6 nacelles compared to a MAX of 4 on Federation seems to be a bit out of step.   Besides you are not "exposing engine components" to the point of vulnerability.   ( Hmmmm  ...  I still have not siad this right ... dude ..  I need another cup of coffee ....)  We just simply would not wrap everything up in a pretty wrapper as in Fed designs ....  Does this make sense ???  If some one else can explain this better ..  by all means please do.  I'm really struggeling this AM...  OY  !!!    It's going to be one of those days folks !!

Oh...  also you will notice the "multiple decks"  on the back hull area ...  there will be more of that idea on the TNG DNs and BB's as well.

[ModelsPlease]

Bumpage    

[Grim Reaper]

Hey Atolm, this tread stirs my memory, what ever became of you coop with Wicked Zombie to redesign a 4 engined version of the Accuser? Cause i saw the 1 drawing you did and it looked awsome. But i haven't heard anything since.

[olbuzzard]

Yo  Grim...

hey bud..  I need input from guys like you especially ...  it means a lot.  If I'm waaaaaay  out in left field some where  I need to know that too !!  ( be nice though !!!  )

thanks  

[ModelsPlease]

Hey Ol'Buzzard sir,I PM'ed ya a ton of ideas to think about.Let me know if you need any info,odds are if I don't already have it .I'll know where to get it.But an absolutely valid point.I think the Klingon lovers should be ALL over this thread.Now is your chance to design the Klingon ships YOU all want to have . Just like the Titan, a forum project,SPEAK UP,even if it's in Klingon ......where did I put that dang dictionary?   EVERYONE's involved guys.And quite frankly the Klingons deserve some new bad azz designs.This is our Trek universe,time to populate it with OUR ships.My personal $.02
 
-MP  

[olbuzzard]

here are a couple of "TNG"  ideas for the DN series ...  both are incomplete ..  the second one inparticular looks promising

In a couple of days I hope to come up with somthing on the Nacelles themselves for late TNG ... that in itself would help a lot.

Azel ...  bud I sure could use you help man..  wave that magic wand over this stuff and make it believeable !!!



 

[Sandman3D]

My only thought...nacelles need to be chunkier. I've always thought the Klink nacelles looked to skinny, so maybe beef 'em up a bit.  

[olbuzzard]

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My only thought...nacelles need to be chunkier. I've always thought the Klink nacelles looked to skinny, so maybe beef 'em up a bit.  

you are right ...  these are probably too slinder...  but keep in mind that Klingon technology differs in that they are more energy effecient, and they do tend to "cut away" excessive covers and stuff that might make it appear more stream line.  Just my thoughts ..  and I do agreemind are a bit too slinder .. and maybe too short too !!

We kinda need Azel to work his magic on these too !  HINT !  HINT !
 

[Grim Reaper]

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Yo  Grim...

hey bud..  I need input from guys like you especially ...  it means a lot.  If I'm waaaaaay  out in left field some where  I need to know that too !!  ( be nice though !!!  )

thanks  

You know what i like best about Atolm's Klingons? The massive armour plating on the hull. I presume you've seen the Baq right?


-> Thx to Raven of Nightsoft for making this available

This is another of my favorites.


-> Thx to Raven of Nightsoft for making this available

Maybe sleekness is the way to go in the overall design but not on the hull imho. That needs to be massivly armoured. But i think we agree on that, though i'm not sure. (see that BaQ for my meaning (though i don't like the spikes on the wings and the wider neck boom  in the top down view. I'd prefered a more D 6 - 7 / K'T'Inga like top down))

As for my opinion in general:
I have no problems with 4 nacelles. But only for the Battleships and Dreadnoughts. And i like the SuvwI'Qeh commandcruiser with it's 3. If you love sleek ships more i'd suggest building frigats, destroyers, war destroyers and light cruisers. Cause i've seen plenty cruisers and above and on those i just think the 4 nacelles convey that massive vessel feel more..   But i absolutly love to see someone (challenge? ) making a ship like the BOP / B'rel / K'Vort / D 11-12-13 series (Yes i know it was supposed to be Romulan) but not  . Like Atolm's  / Raven's Baq. Looks somewhat like a D - 6-7 / K'T'Inga but you can see its better newer a lot more kickass. As for light cruisers like the one from Klingon academy... well that one just sucks imho.

But these are all suggestions and i think your ...well.... advanced brainstorming session is a very good impulse. More Klingon ships == more beauties to make it into my copy of the game(s).  (But i'm very very picky. My favorite shiplist for TNG would be the 2 BOP's, the BaQ, the Warrior's Anger (SuvwI'Qeh) and the Accuser (pumwI) (Atolm 4 engined TNG version). Everything else is just not good enough.(AND I DON'T MEAN INSULT. IT'S JUST MY TASTE )  

Still don't be discouraged cause i like where you are heading. And since i want to use that 4 engined accuser as a BB there is certainly room for a kickass DN.  I dare you to design one that make me rethink my preference for 4 engined DN & BB.
   

[Azel]

Ships??? Ships???
I got Ships

KLingon CC:
bow
 [image]http://www.frost-works.com/watchtower/Klingon%20Command%20Ship%20Bow.JPG[/image]
Stern
 [image]http://www.frost-works.com/watchtower/Klingon%20Command%20Ship%20Stern.JPG[/image]
dorsal
 [image]http://www.frost-works.com/watchtower/Klingon%20Command%20Ship%20Dorsal.JPG[/image]
ventral
  [image]http://www.frost-works.com/watchtower/Klingon%20Command%20Ship%20Ventral.JPG[/image]
Side
 [image]http://www.frost-works.com/watchtower/Klingon%20Command%20Ship%20Starboard.JPG[/image]
Side with canon
 [image]http://www.frost-works.com/watchtower/Klingon%20Command%20Ship%20Starboard%20w%20Cannon.JPG[/image]
Canon dorsal
 [image]http://www.frost-works.com/watchtower/Klingon%20Command%20Ship%20Cannon%20Dorsal.JPG[/image]
Canon ventral
 [image]http://www.frost-works.com/watchtower/Klingon%20Command%20Ship%20Cannon%20Ventral.JPG[/image]
perspective
 [image]http://www.frost-works.com/watchtower/Klingon%20Command-Cruiser%2000.JPG[/image]

Klingon Strike cruiser
 [image]http://www.frost-works.com/watchtower/Klingon%20Strike-Cruiser%2000.JPG[/image]

Klingon TNG K'Tinga
 [image]http://www.frost-works.com/watchtower/Klingon%20TNG%20K'Tinga%2000.JPG[/image]

Klingon TNG Gull
 [image]http://www.frost-works.com/watchtower/Klingon%20TNG%20Gull%2000.JPG[/image]

Klingon IKS Garrett (honoring Rachael Garrett of the 1701-C )
 [image]http://www.frost-works.com/watchtower/Klingon%20IKS%20Garrett%2000.JPG[/image]

Klingon-Federation Hybrid
 [image]http://www.frost-works.com/watchtower/Klingon-Federation%20-Hybrid%20Prototype%2000.JPG[/image]  

[Grim Reaper]

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Ships??? Ships???
I got Ships

KLingon CC:
bow
 
Stern

dorsal

ventral

Side

Side with canon

Canon dorsal

Canon ventral

perspective
 

Klingon Strike cruiser


Klingon TNG K'Tinga


Klingon TNG Gull
 

Klingon IKS Garrett (honoring Rachael Garrett of the 1701-C )


Klingon-Federation Hybrid
   

Let there be light... vision... views...eemm... nevermind  

[Grim Reaper]

Love the TNG K'T'Inga but the others are great drawings but not my taste. Still its not just me to please.

btw is it just me or does the one labeled "Side" look as a weird cardie? (front == left)

[Azel]

 

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 Love the TNG K'T'Inga but the others are great drawings but not my taste. Still its not just me to please.

btw is it just me or does the one labeled "Side" look as a weird cardie? (front == left)  

Thanks GR
Its cool not everyone of my designs can appease everyone

and yes kinda...thats because Cardassian ships look very similar to backwards Klingon vessels
they also share very similar shapes  

[Grim Reaper]

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 Love the TNG K'T'Inga but the others are great drawings but not my taste. Still its not just me to please.

btw is it just me or does the one labeled "Side" look as a weird cardie? (front == left)  

Thanks GR
Its cool not everyone of my designs can appease everyone

and yes kinda...thats because Cardassian ships look very similar to backwards Klingon vessels
they also share very similar shapes  

Well as long as you remember i think most of your designs rock (esp. you feddies and originals) even though they are new fresh out of the box and very orignal.  It's just that i'm a traditional Klingon.

[olbuzzard]

This is a great response ...  the kind I'd hope to get.

1.  The 4 nacelle idea is  not a bad idea...  in and of itself.  But for some odd reason all of the ones in the Game(s) SFC-2 and 3 all seem to make the over all ship bulky and cumbersome  on the back end.  These drawings totally blow away any of the ships use in the game ...  period.

2.  The "spikes on the back end " ....   gone !!  I'ts wuite obvious that Azels work goes far beyond anythihg we have presented so far..  ( as we mentioned earlier it's been litterally 30 years since that sort of talent has been required of me..  and I hope we can get back at least a small part of it).  I hope Azel wouldn't mind using these to restructure with the appropriate "Armor"..  as they should be.

3.  The armor..  The thickness of the armmor has nothing to do with the over all presentation of the ship.  The texturing and detail plating can be easily done with out taking away from the design of the structure.  That was something that I personally had in mind from the get-go.

In conclusion I hope we can put togeather a comprehensive FLEET that will allow anyone putting togeather a mod to allow greater flexibility and a better presentation of a race that really is geared to WAR ....  not just Warriors who happended to on occasion build a ship or two.  The single greatest complaint we have heard about the Klingon fleet is a lack of development.  This to me is an opportunity to attempt to do something about it.


Please, I encourage the continued discussion and development of this project.  If my sketches are poorly underdeveloped ...  then so be it ...  we still do this.

thanks

 

[Fury_of_a_Seraph]

Sweet designs man

I hope that someone makes these, if not for the sole purpose of expanding TNG Fasa

[NannerSlug]

the major question is who is going to start making these things?

[olbuzzard]

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the major question is who is going to start making these things?  

well ...  ya got to start some where ..  Looks like we have a lot of talented guys here ...  if we at least start some where ..  that beats sitting on our hands!!