Topic: Azel ... you up to doing another little project (Read 6285 times)

olbuzzard · « **on:** April 26, 2004, 07:43:24 am »

This time it has to do with the Klingons. There is something that has always bugged me about their DN's and BB's with the 4 nacelles on the back end. To me their ships have always been really cool looking and a bit more stream line in apearance... that is until the thing with the 4 nacelles came along.

BTW... this has nothing to do with anyones particular ability to do a great job of modeling these particular ships. There is just something that I would like to do to make those big ships look better and maybe not so bulky and awkward on the back end.

If this is offensive to anyone .. just let me know ... and we'll drop the subject with out persuing the matter any further. If everything is cool .. then I would like to see what can be done with the larger DN's and the BB's that follow those formats. (For now ... just thinking out loud ... brain storming .. ) Oh and yes .. I do have a couple of theories on the matter.

thanks

ModelsPlease · « **Reply #1 on:** April 26, 2004, 08:35:48 am »

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This time it has to do with the Klingons. There is something that has always bugged me about their DN's and BB's with the 4 nacelles on the back end. To me their ships have always been really cool looking and a bit more stream line in apearance... that is until the thing with the 4 nacelles came along.

BTW... this has nothing to do with anyones particular ability to do a great job of modeling these particular ships. There is just something that I would like to do to make those big ships look better and maybe not so bulky and awkward on the back end.

If this is offensive to anyone .. just let me know ... and we'll drop the subject with out persuing the matter any further. If everything is cool .. then I would like to see what can be done with the larger DN's and the BB's that follow those formats. (For now ... just thinking out loud ... brain storming .. ) Oh and yes .. I do have a couple of theories on the matter.

thanks

Go for it buddy !!!!! The only limits we have are the ones we place on ourselves -MP

Azel · « **Reply #3 on:** April 26, 2004, 02:05:46 pm »

I'm in

starforce2 · « **Reply #4 on:** April 26, 2004, 02:11:53 pm »

I've always hated the fat, square nacelled designs. WZ has one and while it's a fine model and one of the best I've seen of the particular class, it's ugly...lol

olbuzzard · « **Reply #6 on:** April 26, 2004, 10:24:20 pm »

okie... here's a rough.. ( and i do mean ROUGH ! ) draft .. top and partial front ( some obvious detail missing) This is for the C-5 to C-9 series only ... the B10's ( BB's and super BB's ) will be done somewhat different. Again the idea was to get the Klingon heavies back to a more sleek design .. ( the main ones used in the games so far seem to have an awful lot of bulky mass on the back end .. and is not proportionate to the rest of the ship. ( And that kind of ashamed too... ) IMHO the Kligon ships are more effecient in power consumption and really dont need that mass in that resspect.

Once again I mean no offense to the current development of those ships ... but it just seems out of charactor. Also, if this works ( it is accepted ) we have a couple more... one for the BB's and supper BB's .... and one last one that I'ms still sketching out ... It is the match-up for something like the Titan .. ( Ok ... I Know ... there hasn't been one mentioned in ST just yet. I just feel as though the Klingons have been a bit over looked and I 'm trying in myy own feeble way to help out a little)

Thanks

Azel · « **Reply #7 on:** April 26, 2004, 10:42:56 pm »

OH OK....I see
they are intergrated into the Hull
like my Klingon One wing

olbuzzard · « **Reply #8 on:** April 26, 2004, 10:48:22 pm »

yes... this is one version .. the other idea is to make a "two-in-one" nacelle. Also ... we dressed up the over all hull design as well. It is sleeker and more proportionate ( top view came out pretty fair )... you should see the BB series !!!

The really fun one will be the Titan match up ... you will have to help clean up what has been called the "batman look" heheh ... oh well .. it's cool !

Azel · « **Reply #9 on:** April 26, 2004, 11:12:28 pm »

Look at this:
TNG Klingon One-Wing
Top:

belly:

Reverend · « **Reply #10 on:** April 26, 2004, 11:40:39 pm »

I remember that one... once again, why wasn't it made? The Borath you made was a great model, wish you would have made another one, i.e., the one-wing.. its great!

Ditto on all previous posts.. hope something gets worked out on this, Klingons are always fun to play!

MajorRacal · « **Reply #12 on:** April 27, 2004, 04:18:30 am »

As I'm sure Azel will testify, I'm really not a fan of multiple nacelle ships. Generally I find they look ungainly and cumbersome, so I am especially delighted to see this form of revision taking place in the Klingon ranks - I'm REALLY keen to see where this one goes...

MajorRacal

MajorRacal · « **Reply #13 on:** April 27, 2004, 06:56:23 am »

As for Azel's One Wing, I started working on her ages ago but I got stuck and haven't looked at her since. Anyway. this was as far as I got...
http://majorracal.tripod.com/

olbuzzard · « **Reply #14 on:** April 27, 2004, 07:34:36 am »

1. Azel ... that looks great as a post TNG ... and I LIKE IT !!!

2. The series I'm attempting to redo is for the C-5's through 9's ( these would work for either SFC-2 or 3)

3. MajorRacal is right on the money ... particularly the way the Klingon ships were handled. Again I'm not trying to be offensive .. ( if I'm out of line here ... sing out and we will let this go here and now ... we are not trying to stir something up. There is enough grief going around in the world without causing stuff in a place where we are all trying to get along, have fun and share ideas.) At any rate I just feel as though the bulky "awkward looking" hulls with anywhere from 4 to 6 nacelles were also disproportionate, almost "stubby" in apearance, which futher added to their "awkard" apearance.

4. Klingon ships are considerably more energy effecient and should be able to be a lot more sleek, and built for the tough battles for which their race is known for. Around the nacelles there should be more detail ( hmmmm at the risk of sounding really out of step ... ) exposed parts (???) ... for lack of a better term.

5. That is why I would like to build a ship for them that is updated with the times to go with the "Titan" concept reguardless of wheather mine is built or not. There was one really good one built.. I even mentioned it in the G.A.W. short story for my sons Mod ... I'm at work and cant access it right now. That one was pretty cool too !!

At any rate I am looking forward to working with you guys .. Azel and anyone who will help with the modeling, to try to make things right ... ( that is if this concept is accepted ..) if not... then we STILL need to work on this ! It is the right thing to do !

thanks

olbuzzard · « **Reply #15 on:** April 27, 2004, 07:41:24 am »

BTW... Azel ... know what is funny ... take that one wing ... and modify it ... where there are two "necks" ... and that is sort of what i did for the new Klingon ship that matches the Titan .. really ironic... it's a bit different .. you'll see in time... lets get this first one done then the BB's ... When you see the last one you are going to swear we copied parts of it ... LOL

I guess that is why I enjoy your work so much !! Looks like we think a lot a like in many areas !! You skill however is absloutley awsome !!

Azel · « **Reply #16 on:** April 27, 2004, 09:35:21 am »

A twin headded Klingon......

olbuzzard · « **Reply #17 on:** April 27, 2004, 10:05:59 am »

You'll see.. hehe man this is fun... mean time bud "ROCK 'N ROLL" bud ... do your thing and lets smoke this baby !! This is honest the most fun I'v had on thsi game since the days of SG-1 and the early days of the Triangle !

Let's do it bud !!

olbuzzard · « **Reply #18 on:** April 28, 2004, 09:29:00 pm »

Azel sir.... ready for you do your thing bud.

There a couple of ways to aproach the redesign of the Klingon DN's and BB's ... BTW... I still have not finished the counter part to the Titan. If these are accepted ... then I have a light cruiser and a battle cruiser as well.. (more TNG style than anything else) .. soooo lets see how far these go first

Tus · « **Reply #19 on:** April 28, 2004, 09:33:58 pm »

nice, my only thing is that the bb back end probably should be wider and longer, looks a bit out of proportion with that neck

olbuzzard · « **Reply #20 on:** April 28, 2004, 09:46:33 pm »

HMMM ... i kinda wondered about that. Truthfully the proportionate thing is of the utmost concern for me... thanks .. I'll up-grade a little later.

thanks for the input !

ModelsPlease · « **Reply #21 on:** April 29, 2004, 03:23:47 am »

Ol'Buzzard sir, you mentioned Klingon "armor" on the ships earlier, I don't think the narcelles should be exposed at all.If we are to redefine or upgrade them why not try covering the narcelles with armor ?

olbuzzard · « **Reply #22 on:** April 29, 2004, 07:22:05 am »

On the contrary .. I guess what I was tryig to say that they are "lighter weight" ... and in some cases less concerned about "covering" certain aspects of the ship... take a look at most of the designs that have typified Klingon design. They are more practicle, more energy effecient, maneuverable with faster loading weapons.... (weapons that do less damage per round ... but relaod at a faster rate... etc)

If that is the case ... then all of the "extra apendages" with as many as 6 nacelles compared to a MAX of 4 on Federation seems to be a bit out of step. Besides you are not "exposing engine components" to the point of vulnerability. ( Hmmmm ... I still have not siad this right ... dude .. I need another cup of coffee ....) We just simply would not wrap everything up in a pretty wrapper as in Fed designs .... Does this make sense ??? If some one else can explain this better .. by all means please do. I'm really struggeling this AM... OY !!!

It's going to be one of those days folks !!

Oh... also you will notice the "multiple decks" on the back hull area ... there will be more of that idea on the TNG DNs and BB's as well.

ModelsPlease · « **Reply #23 on:** May 01, 2004, 04:05:06 am »

Bumpage

Grim Reaper · « **Reply #24 on:** May 01, 2004, 07:58:40 am »

Hey Atolm, this tread stirs my memory, what ever became of you coop with Wicked Zombie to redesign a 4 engined version of the Accuser? Cause i saw the 1 drawing you did and it looked awsome. But i haven't heard anything since.

olbuzzard · « **Reply #25 on:** May 01, 2004, 08:59:01 am »

Yo Grim...

hey bud.. I need input from guys like you especially ... it means a lot. If I'm waaaaaay out in left field some where I need to know that too !! ( be nice though !!!

)

thanks

ModelsPlease · « **Reply #26 on:** May 01, 2004, 08:12:40 pm »

Hey Ol'Buzzard sir,I PM'ed ya a ton of ideas to think about.Let me know if you need any info,odds are if I don't already have it .I'll know where to get it.But an absolutely valid point.I think the Klingon lovers should be ALL over this thread.Now is your chance to design the Klingon ships YOU all want to have . Just like the Titan, a forum project,SPEAK UP,even if it's in Klingon ......where did I put that dang dictionary?

EVERYONE's involved guys.And quite frankly the Klingons deserve some new bad azz designs.This is our Trek universe,time to populate it with OUR ships.My personal $.02

-MP

olbuzzard · « **Reply #27 on:** May 01, 2004, 11:40:46 pm »

here are a couple of "TNG" ideas for the DN series ... both are incomplete .. the second one inparticular looks promising

In a couple of days I hope to come up with somthing on the Nacelles themselves for late TNG ... that in itself would help a lot.

Azel ... bud I sure could use you help man.. wave that magic wand over this stuff and make it believeable !!!

Sandman3D · « **Reply #28 on:** May 02, 2004, 09:29:05 am »

My only thought...nacelles need to be chunkier. I've always thought the Klink nacelles looked to skinny, so maybe beef 'em up a bit.

Azel · « **Reply #31 on:** May 02, 2004, 05:52:54 pm »

Ships??? Ships???
I got Ships

KLingon CC:
bow
[image]http://www.frost-works.com/watchtower/Klingon%20Command%20Ship%20Bow.JPG[/image]
Stern
[image]http://www.frost-works.com/watchtower/Klingon%20Command%20Ship%20Stern.JPG[/image]
dorsal
[image]http://www.frost-works.com/watchtower/Klingon%20Command%20Ship%20Dorsal.JPG[/image]
ventral
[image]http://www.frost-works.com/watchtower/Klingon%20Command%20Ship%20Ventral.JPG[/image]
Side
[image]http://www.frost-works.com/watchtower/Klingon%20Command%20Ship%20Starboard.JPG[/image]
Side with canon
[image]http://www.frost-works.com/watchtower/Klingon%20Command%20Ship%20Starboard%20w%20Cannon.JPG[/image]
Canon dorsal
[image]http://www.frost-works.com/watchtower/Klingon%20Command%20Ship%20Cannon%20Dorsal.JPG[/image]
Canon ventral
[image]http://www.frost-works.com/watchtower/Klingon%20Command%20Ship%20Cannon%20Ventral.JPG[/image]
perspective
[image]http://www.frost-works.com/watchtower/Klingon%20Command-Cruiser%2000.JPG[/image]

Klingon Strike cruiser
[image]http://www.frost-works.com/watchtower/Klingon%20Strike-Cruiser%2000.JPG[/image]

Klingon TNG K'Tinga
[image]http://www.frost-works.com/watchtower/Klingon%20TNG%20K'Tinga%2000.JPG[/image]

Klingon TNG Gull
[image]http://www.frost-works.com/watchtower/Klingon%20TNG%20Gull%2000.JPG[/image]

Klingon IKS Garrett (honoring Rachael Garrett of the 1701-C )
[image]http://www.frost-works.com/watchtower/Klingon%20IKS%20Garrett%2000.JPG[/image]

Klingon-Federation Hybrid
[image]http://www.frost-works.com/watchtower/Klingon-Federation%20-Hybrid%20Prototype%2000.JPG[/image]

Grim Reaper · « **Reply #33 on:** May 02, 2004, 06:03:26 pm »

Love the TNG K'T'Inga but the others are great drawings but not my taste. Still its not just me to please.

btw is it just me or does the one labeled "Side" look as a weird cardie? (front == left)

olbuzzard · « **Reply #36 on:** May 02, 2004, 08:57:21 pm »

This is a great response ... the kind I'd hope to get.

1. The 4 nacelle idea is not a bad idea... in and of itself. But for some odd reason all of the ones in the Game(s) SFC-2 and 3 all seem to make the over all ship bulky and cumbersome on the back end. These drawings totally blow away any of the ships use in the game ... period.

2. The "spikes on the back end " .... gone !! I'ts wuite obvious that Azels work goes far beyond anythihg we have presented so far.. ( as we mentioned earlier it's been litterally 30 years since that sort of talent has been required of me.. and I hope we can get back at least a small part of it). I hope Azel wouldn't mind using these to restructure with the appropriate "Armor".. as they should be.

3. The armor.. The thickness of the armmor has nothing to do with the over all presentation of the ship. The texturing and detail plating can be easily done with out taking away from the design of the structure. That was something that I personally had in mind from the get-go.

In conclusion I hope we can put togeather a comprehensive FLEET that will allow anyone putting togeather a mod to allow greater flexibility and a better presentation of a race that really is geared to WAR .... not just Warriors who happended to on occasion build a ship or two. The single greatest complaint we have heard about the Klingon fleet is a lack of development. This to me is an opportunity to attempt to do something about it.

Please, I encourage the continued discussion and development of this project. If my sketches are poorly underdeveloped ... then so be it ... we still do this.

thanks

Fury_of_a_Seraph · « **Reply #37 on:** May 02, 2004, 09:13:13 pm »

Sweet designs man

I hope that someone makes these, if not for the sole purpose of expanding TNG Fasa

NannerSlug · « **Reply #38 on:** May 02, 2004, 10:02:53 pm »

the major question is who is going to start making these things?

ModelsPlease · « **Reply #40 on:** May 03, 2004, 03:16:58 am »

So let me make sure I'm on track. Our objective is to go from TNG and beyond,leave the old ships to their rightful place in SFC and begin anew.IMHO that's the way to go. As for Azel's designs,I had to catch myself there,uterly amazing work. I have no doubt that we will find a happy medium that everyone can accept,and that a few great new ships will becoming out of this thread.

-MP

olbuzzard · « **Reply #41 on:** May 03, 2004, 07:19:53 am »

Actually I had in mind ot take my sketches.. have Azel add the much needed detail... and rework just the DN's and BB's (C-5 -7's and B-10's and the super BB .. ( this was to clean up all of the extra apendiages or nacelles ... reproprotion the ships so they are more in step with Cannon designs ...) and yes... look at TNG ... and "Late" TNG erra... add more of the ships that are much needed.

Lets face it ... IMHO we have spent a lot of time developing Fed.. ( and i like it as much as anything) ... but the second most popular fleet in SFC is a little lacking in ship varriants. What is strange ... they are known to be a "Warrior" class .. shouldn't they have more ships for combat at their disposal ???

AS for the unending debate over "balance issues" I will leave that in the hands of the diplomats.. this just puts a few more tools into the hands of those who can build the Mods.

thanks

ModelsPlease · « **Reply #43 on:** May 04, 2004, 05:45:40 am »

I see your point and agree,for lack of a better way to phrase it.......Hull plating is to a Klingon ship what Aztec panelling is to a Fed ship.

olbuzzard · « **Reply #44 on:** May 04, 2004, 09:17:35 am »

Grim .. you are right ..... to a point. Consider this ... those plates ... on something the size of a starship... might not apear as "square" when appiled to something that large. Yes ... the plates themselevs would take on simular charactoristics ... kinda like the pollys in the models.... I also agree that the texutres should reflect that style and design in the over all presentation of the ship. Ya wouldn't want a ship that is Klingon in its design features to have smoothe flowing lines like Federation or Hydran. On that we both agree.

Over all I think we are in agreement . I just need to spend more time updating the pict .. or maybe Azel can do an interpritation and see how well it works.

Azel · « **Reply #45 on:** May 04, 2004, 04:41:45 pm »

You guys will be glad to Know that I am still on the case...lol
Been a tad busy as of late...didn't mean to make you guys think that I didn't care ...
I DO
and you will be pleased to know...That this weekend I shall have some brand spanking new
KLINGONS

QA PLA!!!

olbuzzard · « **Reply #46 on:** May 04, 2004, 05:47:40 pm »

Azel...

Trust me bud.. I know where you are comming from... heck I'm still at work ( hope to get out of here soon !) I hope that those sketches of mine have a degree of credibility. I will rework them a bit.. and try to post them .. Hopefully they are something you can use os we can keep the team work thing going. ( I did not intend to start something and you have to shoulder the entire project.)

Any help you have to offer is appreciated.

Thanks

Grim Reaper · « **Reply #47 on:** May 08, 2004, 07:30:43 am »

el bumpo for future reference.

And any takers for this beauty? WZ?

BTW Atolm, wasn't the BaQ your TNG K'T'Inga?

ModelsPlease · « **Reply #48 on:** May 08, 2004, 08:28:13 am »

Absolutely a must have ship,hopefully someone will mod her soon.

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