Topic: FEDS/SOVEREIGN WAY TOO OVER POWERED SFC3 (Read 5055 times)

HELLO · « **on:** April 25, 2004, 01:01:13 pm »

YES IT IS TRUE, FEDS ARE PRACTICALLY INVICEIBLE THANKS TO QUANTUM TORPEDOES. THIS IS BECAUSE AT LEAST EVERY 3 QUANTUMS TAKES OUT AN ofFICER. WITH THE FIRST VOLLEY ALONE(3 6 OR 9 TORPEDOES FIRED) A SOV CAN TAKE OUT THREE OF YOUR OFFICERS. AND THEY PROBABLY WILL BE TACTICAL, ENGINEERING AND HELM. SO NOW YOU CAN'T HIT THE SOV, RUN FROM IT, OR WARP AWAY. LET ME PUT THIS INTO PERSPECTIVE. A BORG CUBE, WITH EASILY DOUBLED THE FIREPOWER OF A SOV, IS FIGHTING A SOV. THE CUBE SHOULDN'T BECOME USELESS AFTER THE FIRST VOLLEY OF QUNTUMS TAKES OUT THE TACTICAL OFFICER. NOW YOU CAN'T DO SQUAT, AND THE SOV DESTROYS YOU. A CUBE HAS TO BE AT LEAST 50X THE SIZE OF A PUNY SOV. NOT TO MENTION HOW QUANTUMS EASILY HIT 50 RANGE OUT, YET A GRAVIMETRIC TORPEDO CAN'T HIT ANYTHING BEHIND 35. LOOK INTO THIS, ITS WAY TOO STUPID.

WHEN DID THIS GAME HIT THE SHELVES? AND THERE IS JUST NOW A >>>>>>>>>>>>BETA<<<<<<<<<<<<< PATCH FOR IT?

JESUS CHRIST

Pestalence · « **Reply #1 on:** April 25, 2004, 01:04:23 pm »

please turn your caps off.. no reason to yell on these boards...

please edit you posting above for lower case letters.. thanks.

3dot14 · « **Reply #2 on:** April 25, 2004, 01:32:13 pm »

Feds ARE the good guys after all...

just kidding.
The game is not built to balance each individual ship against one another. (Though some of the excellent mods have made efforts to do so) If you can't get the Sovereign using one ship, call up a buddy and bomb it with two...

There is no doubt in my mind that Quantums are the best weapons in the game, but they are also expensive and heavy, So if you can't win tactically, win strategitcally by choosing some creative builds for your ship(s).

But that's not my point. I'm not a very godo SFC3 player either... I'm sure there are better advices abound.

My point is, it's not true that there is "just now a _beta_ patch for it".
This is the Second (or third depends how close one monitors the game) beta patch

.

Magnum357 · « **Reply #3 on:** April 25, 2004, 02:28:53 pm »

Is Hello talking about the Sovs in the new Beta Patch? I haven't gotten that far with the new Patch yet, but from what I havee seen so far, I really like the new Beta patch. He is probably a Klingon player and is pissed off that he can't easily win anymore in a Vorcha zipping around at speed 100 at impulse.

Players that design ships like that I think are pathetic. I look forward too this new beta patch because I think it will put the feds and Romulans more on a level playing feild now.

Age · « **Reply #4 on:** April 25, 2004, 02:42:20 pm »

I have never reffited a Vorcha for outright speed only manuverablity most of mine only go to speed has high 32 or 34 more around 32.They are well armed though.

Basara · « **Reply #5 on:** April 25, 2004, 02:43:55 pm »

Any impulse power over a speed of 35 is a waste in my opinion. But then again I don't use the smaller vessels like the Saber and Norway alot either.

Bloodwing · « **Reply #6 on:** April 25, 2004, 03:01:10 pm »

Since we can't take into account your skill vs those nasty blue smurfs firing Q's at you, I would say, try using erratics, Mr. HIGHSTRUNG, those type of weapons are most effected by it. There are other things you could do, but that's classified info.

Praxis · « **Reply #7 on:** April 25, 2004, 05:42:20 pm »

Perhaps your game is bugged. I've heard of some people who's games become bugged and every shot hits and/or takes out an officer.

Try reinstalling...

A Borg Cube is way too overpowered, not a Sov. The Cube can kill 2 or 3 Sov's, but costs the same as a Sov, which is unfair on the dnaverse.

nx_adam_1701 · « **Reply #8 on:** April 25, 2004, 09:24:30 pm »

OMG, you cant do anything around here anymore

adam out

nx_adam_1701 · « **Reply #9 on:** April 25, 2004, 09:25:26 pm »

maybe thats the way he writes, look at his name, there all caped up,

adam out

Ravok · « **Reply #10 on:** April 25, 2004, 09:38:24 pm »

I think every now and again you run into a ship with legendary crew that will give you a good pounding know matter how good you are. I have had this happen to me a couple of times even with a legendary crew my self,It will wake you up defiantly.

I have noticed Borg ships are not very fond of poloron torps. either.
But then and again who wants to fly around being omnipotent? Where is the fun in that.

Pestalence · « **Reply #11 on:** April 25, 2004, 10:08:05 pm »

Quote:

maybe thats the way he writes, look at his name, there all caped up,

adam out

Maybe so, but Global Internet Chatting systems proclaim all caps to be considered yelling... I'm sure he wouldn't appreciate it if all my postings were completly in caps back to him.. plus he would have a hard time reading it as well, especially in white text on a black screen.. it is called eyestrain.

Ravok · « **Reply #12 on:** April 25, 2004, 10:59:08 pm »

I'm wondering how he got enough prestige to buy a Borg Cube in 3 days? He must have been playing non stop, And that would explain his demeanor? He or she is tired.

Pestalence · « **Reply #13 on:** April 25, 2004, 11:05:54 pm »

Or they are playing Single Player and edited the Character.gf file for single player to where he could start off in a Borg Cube.

Ravok · « **Reply #14 on:** April 25, 2004, 11:09:38 pm »

Ma by that would explain the prob hes having with the Quantum torps?

Ravok · « **Reply #16 on:** April 25, 2004, 11:44:56 pm »

I guss the game IS more popular than we thought?

feargusf · « **Reply #17 on:** April 26, 2004, 12:09:29 am »

The Q-torps are the best at range. They give Feds an unfair advantage in base assaults, but not really in PvP. Close the gap! If range is someone's advantage, you'd better believe that my top priority would be to get into knife-fighting range. Two of the other three races have an ingenious advantage at this, a cloaking device, use it. Klinks have a decided advantage in maneuverability still, plus the most powerful weapon over time. The Roms have a decided Alpha strike advantage, with more forward-firing weapon slots and the highest single-shot damage weapon. As for the Borg, it has already been stated here that they get more bang for the buck with their ships.

A properly fitted Negh'var is a 24 hour wide awake nightmare to anything save for a Borg cube.

Ravok · « **Reply #18 on:** April 26, 2004, 12:44:49 am »

I agree completely tho i favor the Vorcha my self. Any time i fly the Feds i use the same tactics to stay out of range of proximity's , which we all know can be a real pain in the Butt.
The Soviets use the same tactics when using Tanks in Battle, It keeps them too close for Artillery to be used effectively.
Qap`LaH

nx_adam_1701 · « **Reply #19 on:** April 26, 2004, 01:54:00 am »

Wow, I really didnt know that, thanks for the info, its good to know that Caps means yelling, sorwie for being rude,

adam out

Age · « **Reply #20 on:** April 26, 2004, 02:08:12 am »

It is easy not in so many ways though all you do to take a cube out is target thier core if you are near a sun get as close a possiple and reinforce the shield facing the sun the borg have noe shield.This is the same with cloaked ships aswell.The best way to take out or capture a cloaked ship is target the cloaking device.I hope this what you are all talking about here.I would not say the Sovereign is to over powered and it is slow at impulse speeds.In sp in skirmish mode it took me with an Akira with 2 Q. luanchers FA and 3 type 11F phasers 2 FA and 1 ALL I had a legendary tactical officer.It took me over an hour and forty minutes to take the cube out and my Akira could do up to 39 at full impulse with .98 in manerverabilty.I was able to use a cube totake out 2 sovereigns plus vorcha and three warbirds .I would say no way is a sovereign over powered.

Ravok · « **Reply #21 on:** April 26, 2004, 02:46:51 am »

I don't think they are over powered seeing as i have taken them down with a Kitinga myself.
It pays to invest in good and intelligent Officers early on in the game. Good Tactical, Helm,Engineer and Ops. Officers That learn quickly are worth way more than the best weapon refit. Not to mention a competent Captain.

Age · « **Reply #22 on:** April 26, 2004, 03:30:46 am »

Yes and that K tinga can cloak petty different from SFC2 SFC2OP is it.I like it to better than the Shriek but it is only a CL in EAW and OP it is a CA.It was a CA in 23C. just letting you know.

frazzle · « **Reply #23 on:** April 26, 2004, 05:00:52 am »

Hmm, I had SFC3 for a while, but I never knew all the 'stuff' that was in it. However, isn't it fun when you take down mighty big muthas with a few good tactics and fast, small, manouverable ships?

Never give up my son! Fly fast, stay low, hit hard. If it moves, shoot it. If it doesn't, shoot it anyway!

nx_adam_1701 · « **Reply #24 on:** April 26, 2004, 11:30:33 am »

arent they suppose to be almighty and powerful anyways, if i remember correctly, the defiant used to take down Keldons and Galor with about 4 torpedoes, not destroy it but serverely damage it, and compared to the Way of the Warrior, it took three brel like forever to destroy a galor,and the enterprise e fire was it three or four at the borg sphere and destroyed it in seconds, i mean i know the game is supposed to be alittle balanced or atleast we hope but thats why they are called quantums, maybe they should be alittle more expensive and harder to get, i dont know if this can be done but maybe they should only be given to ships that have very experienced officers, and only be allowed on some ships or etc..., i dont know just a thought, in my mod, i usually well this is SFC2OP, not 3, but it could apply, I usually give certain starships quantums, and the ones that do get them get a certain amount, regardless if the ship has lets say 8 torpedoes bays, i only give it to the forward section maybe one bay and thats it, the remainders are with standard photons, just to make it more realistic, not even the enterprise E has quantums all over the place, it only has a forward one, and the rest that the ship primarly uses are standard photons, ok, alittle too long sorwie

adam out

Ravok · « **Reply #25 on:** April 26, 2004, 11:46:01 am »

Yea It is!! One of my favorite tactics is to start the game on the easiest setting Commander I believe it is, Sell my CL for a FF, Use all the extra Prestige to buy the bests Officers on the map( This may take allot of traveling!). When i have all my Officers on board, The i can fully refit my FF.
Then i go collect a fleet and go looking for a fight. Its loads of fun then to go mob a Rom DN, Slowly rip it to shreds then capture the ship and collect all that prestige. I love it you gotta move fast stay out of her forward weapons arc and pray to what ever gods you pray to, Because if you get hit just once by this big P.Oed Bit#h you are toast.
Another way to really test my self is take on a Borg Cube with a Vor`cha this can take up to an hour or more ( if i don't mess up

) It is the same thing one mistake, One slip up and you are toast i love it!!!!!

nx_adam_1701 · « **Reply #27 on:** April 26, 2004, 02:16:32 pm »

That will never happen, it would be nice though, even if someone would crack the code and do it, taldren would have a sissy fit, lawsuit and the whole works, forget, best we could wish for is a holodeck

adam out

PS because sfc4, will never happen

Age · « **Reply #29 on:** April 26, 2004, 02:27:49 pm »

I forgot about that one sorry.

nx_adam_1701 · « **Reply #30 on:** April 26, 2004, 02:39:37 pm »

Yeah I know about that, but It would be nice to be able to have more torpedo options, or atleast have the ability to have the same ones in different textures, after i use those two up, all i hvae left are plasmas, which really are slow, even the X one, didnt i mention i love the PlasmaSnare, it rocks lol

adam out

HELLO · « **Reply #33 on:** April 25, 2004, 01:01:13 pm »

YES IT IS TRUE, FEDS ARE PRACTICALLY INVICEIBLE THANKS TO QUANTUM TORPEDOES. THIS IS BECAUSE AT LEAST EVERY 3 QUANTUMS TAKES OUT AN ofFICER. WITH THE FIRST VOLLEY ALONE(3 6 OR 9 TORPEDOES FIRED) A SOV CAN TAKE OUT THREE OF YOUR OFFICERS. AND THEY PROBABLY WILL BE TACTICAL, ENGINEERING AND HELM. SO NOW YOU CAN'T HIT THE SOV, RUN FROM IT, OR WARP AWAY. LET ME PUT THIS INTO PERSPECTIVE. A BORG CUBE, WITH EASILY DOUBLED THE FIREPOWER OF A SOV, IS FIGHTING A SOV. THE CUBE SHOULDN'T BECOME USELESS AFTER THE FIRST VOLLEY OF QUNTUMS TAKES OUT THE TACTICAL OFFICER. NOW YOU CAN'T DO SQUAT, AND THE SOV DESTROYS YOU. A CUBE HAS TO BE AT LEAST 50X THE SIZE OF A PUNY SOV. NOT TO MENTION HOW QUANTUMS EASILY HIT 50 RANGE OUT, YET A GRAVIMETRIC TORPEDO CAN'T HIT ANYTHING BEHIND 35. LOOK INTO THIS, ITS WAY TOO STUPID.

WHEN DID THIS GAME HIT THE SHELVES? AND THERE IS JUST NOW A >>>>>>>>>>>>BETA<<<<<<<<<<<<< PATCH FOR IT?

JESUS CHRIST

Pestalence · « **Reply #34 on:** April 25, 2004, 01:04:23 pm »

please turn your caps off.. no reason to yell on these boards...

please edit you posting above for lower case letters.. thanks.

3dot14 · « **Reply #35 on:** April 25, 2004, 01:32:13 pm »

Feds ARE the good guys after all...

just kidding.
The game is not built to balance each individual ship against one another. (Though some of the excellent mods have made efforts to do so) If you can't get the Sovereign using one ship, call up a buddy and bomb it with two...

There is no doubt in my mind that Quantums are the best weapons in the game, but they are also expensive and heavy, So if you can't win tactically, win strategitcally by choosing some creative builds for your ship(s).

But that's not my point. I'm not a very godo SFC3 player either... I'm sure there are better advices abound.

My point is, it's not true that there is "just now a _beta_ patch for it".
This is the Second (or third depends how close one monitors the game) beta patch

.

Magnum357 · « **Reply #36 on:** April 25, 2004, 02:28:53 pm »

Is Hello talking about the Sovs in the new Beta Patch? I haven't gotten that far with the new Patch yet, but from what I havee seen so far, I really like the new Beta patch. He is probably a Klingon player and is pissed off that he can't easily win anymore in a Vorcha zipping around at speed 100 at impulse.

Players that design ships like that I think are pathetic. I look forward too this new beta patch because I think it will put the feds and Romulans more on a level playing feild now.

Age · « **Reply #37 on:** April 25, 2004, 02:42:20 pm »

I have never reffited a Vorcha for outright speed only manuverablity most of mine only go to speed has high 32 or 34 more around 32.They are well armed though.

Basara · « **Reply #38 on:** April 25, 2004, 02:43:55 pm »

Any impulse power over a speed of 35 is a waste in my opinion. But then again I don't use the smaller vessels like the Saber and Norway alot either.

Bloodwing · « **Reply #39 on:** April 25, 2004, 03:01:10 pm »

Since we can't take into account your skill vs those nasty blue smurfs firing Q's at you, I would say, try using erratics, Mr. HIGHSTRUNG, those type of weapons are most effected by it. There are other things you could do, but that's classified info.

Praxis · « **Reply #40 on:** April 25, 2004, 05:42:20 pm »

Perhaps your game is bugged. I've heard of some people who's games become bugged and every shot hits and/or takes out an officer.

Try reinstalling...

A Borg Cube is way too overpowered, not a Sov. The Cube can kill 2 or 3 Sov's, but costs the same as a Sov, which is unfair on the dnaverse.

nx_adam_1701 · « **Reply #41 on:** April 25, 2004, 09:24:30 pm »

OMG, you cant do anything around here anymore

adam out

nx_adam_1701 · « **Reply #42 on:** April 25, 2004, 09:25:26 pm »

maybe thats the way he writes, look at his name, there all caped up,

adam out

Ravok · « **Reply #43 on:** April 25, 2004, 09:38:24 pm »

I think every now and again you run into a ship with legendary crew that will give you a good pounding know matter how good you are. I have had this happen to me a couple of times even with a legendary crew my self,It will wake you up defiantly.

I have noticed Borg ships are not very fond of poloron torps. either.
But then and again who wants to fly around being omnipotent? Where is the fun in that.

Ravok · « **Reply #45 on:** April 25, 2004, 10:59:08 pm »

I'm wondering how he got enough prestige to buy a Borg Cube in 3 days? He must have been playing non stop, And that would explain his demeanor? He or she is tired.

Pestalence · « **Reply #46 on:** April 25, 2004, 11:05:54 pm »

Or they are playing Single Player and edited the Character.gf file for single player to where he could start off in a Borg Cube.

Ravok · « **Reply #47 on:** April 25, 2004, 11:09:38 pm »

Ma by that would explain the prob hes having with the Quantum torps?

Ravok · « **Reply #49 on:** April 25, 2004, 11:44:56 pm »

I guss the game IS more popular than we thought?

feargusf · « **Reply #50 on:** April 26, 2004, 12:09:29 am »

The Q-torps are the best at range. They give Feds an unfair advantage in base assaults, but not really in PvP. Close the gap! If range is someone's advantage, you'd better believe that my top priority would be to get into knife-fighting range. Two of the other three races have an ingenious advantage at this, a cloaking device, use it. Klinks have a decided advantage in maneuverability still, plus the most powerful weapon over time. The Roms have a decided Alpha strike advantage, with more forward-firing weapon slots and the highest single-shot damage weapon. As for the Borg, it has already been stated here that they get more bang for the buck with their ships.

A properly fitted Negh'var is a 24 hour wide awake nightmare to anything save for a Borg cube.

Ravok · « **Reply #51 on:** April 26, 2004, 12:44:49 am »

I agree completely tho i favor the Vorcha my self. Any time i fly the Feds i use the same tactics to stay out of range of proximity's , which we all know can be a real pain in the Butt.
The Soviets use the same tactics when using Tanks in Battle, It keeps them too close for Artillery to be used effectively.
Qap`LaH

nx_adam_1701 · « **Reply #52 on:** April 26, 2004, 01:54:00 am »

Wow, I really didnt know that, thanks for the info, its good to know that Caps means yelling, sorwie for being rude,

adam out

Age · « **Reply #53 on:** April 26, 2004, 02:08:12 am »

It is easy not in so many ways though all you do to take a cube out is target thier core if you are near a sun get as close a possiple and reinforce the shield facing the sun the borg have noe shield.This is the same with cloaked ships aswell.The best way to take out or capture a cloaked ship is target the cloaking device.I hope this what you are all talking about here.I would not say the Sovereign is to over powered and it is slow at impulse speeds.In sp in skirmish mode it took me with an Akira with 2 Q. luanchers FA and 3 type 11F phasers 2 FA and 1 ALL I had a legendary tactical officer.It took me over an hour and forty minutes to take the cube out and my Akira could do up to 39 at full impulse with .98 in manerverabilty.I was able to use a cube totake out 2 sovereigns plus vorcha and three warbirds .I would say no way is a sovereign over powered.

Ravok · « **Reply #54 on:** April 26, 2004, 02:46:51 am »

I don't think they are over powered seeing as i have taken them down with a Kitinga myself.
It pays to invest in good and intelligent Officers early on in the game. Good Tactical, Helm,Engineer and Ops. Officers That learn quickly are worth way more than the best weapon refit. Not to mention a competent Captain.

Age · « **Reply #55 on:** April 26, 2004, 03:30:46 am »

Yes and that K tinga can cloak petty different from SFC2 SFC2OP is it.I like it to better than the Shriek but it is only a CL in EAW and OP it is a CA.It was a CA in 23C. just letting you know.

frazzle · « **Reply #56 on:** April 26, 2004, 05:00:52 am »

Hmm, I had SFC3 for a while, but I never knew all the 'stuff' that was in it. However, isn't it fun when you take down mighty big muthas with a few good tactics and fast, small, manouverable ships?

Never give up my son! Fly fast, stay low, hit hard. If it moves, shoot it. If it doesn't, shoot it anyway!

nx_adam_1701 · « **Reply #57 on:** April 26, 2004, 11:30:33 am »

arent they suppose to be almighty and powerful anyways, if i remember correctly, the defiant used to take down Keldons and Galor with about 4 torpedoes, not destroy it but serverely damage it, and compared to the Way of the Warrior, it took three brel like forever to destroy a galor,and the enterprise e fire was it three or four at the borg sphere and destroyed it in seconds, i mean i know the game is supposed to be alittle balanced or atleast we hope but thats why they are called quantums, maybe they should be alittle more expensive and harder to get, i dont know if this can be done but maybe they should only be given to ships that have very experienced officers, and only be allowed on some ships or etc..., i dont know just a thought, in my mod, i usually well this is SFC2OP, not 3, but it could apply, I usually give certain starships quantums, and the ones that do get them get a certain amount, regardless if the ship has lets say 8 torpedoes bays, i only give it to the forward section maybe one bay and thats it, the remainders are with standard photons, just to make it more realistic, not even the enterprise E has quantums all over the place, it only has a forward one, and the rest that the ship primarly uses are standard photons, ok, alittle too long sorwie

adam out

Ravok · « **Reply #58 on:** April 26, 2004, 11:46:01 am »

Yea It is!! One of my favorite tactics is to start the game on the easiest setting Commander I believe it is, Sell my CL for a FF, Use all the extra Prestige to buy the bests Officers on the map( This may take allot of traveling!). When i have all my Officers on board, The i can fully refit my FF.
Then i go collect a fleet and go looking for a fight. Its loads of fun then to go mob a Rom DN, Slowly rip it to shreds then capture the ship and collect all that prestige. I love it you gotta move fast stay out of her forward weapons arc and pray to what ever gods you pray to, Because if you get hit just once by this big P.Oed Bit#h you are toast.
Another way to really test my self is take on a Borg Cube with a Vor`cha this can take up to an hour or more ( if i don't mess up

) It is the same thing one mistake, One slip up and you are toast i love it!!!!!

nx_adam_1701 · « **Reply #60 on:** April 26, 2004, 02:16:32 pm »

That will never happen, it would be nice though, even if someone would crack the code and do it, taldren would have a sissy fit, lawsuit and the whole works, forget, best we could wish for is a holodeck

adam out

PS because sfc4, will never happen

Age · « **Reply #62 on:** April 26, 2004, 02:27:49 pm »

I forgot about that one sorry.

nx_adam_1701 · « **Reply #63 on:** April 26, 2004, 02:39:37 pm »

Yeah I know about that, but It would be nice to be able to have more torpedo options, or atleast have the ability to have the same ones in different textures, after i use those two up, all i hvae left are plasmas, which really are slow, even the X one, didnt i mention i love the PlasmaSnare, it rocks lol

adam out

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