Topic: Which SFC game is your favorite? (Read 32963 times)

FireSoul · « **Reply #220 on:** March 04, 2003, 08:14:24 am »

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That said, if the forthcoming OP patch DOES fix the speed bug, look for an SFCX campaign shortly thereafter.

You better warm up that campaign engine if my guess is correct.

Toasty!!
.. are you one of those that didn't sign an NDA??
.. I sure did, way back when..

jdmckinney · « **Reply #221 on:** March 04, 2003, 08:33:30 am »

Well, if he's "guessing" out loud, I may just have to ramp up preparations, just in case.

Mog · « **Reply #223 on:** March 04, 2003, 08:46:31 am »

Toasty, the removal of the speed change bug will mean little if the actual D2 operations don't work as they do in EAW.

We can come up with workarounds for neutral coop, but we CANNOT work around the cartel/empire interaction. For some strange unknown reason, players have to fly pirate as well as empire in OP. In order to raise DVs of a hex, that hex must be controlled by an allied cartel, BUT you cannot make all cartels allied to all empires, as you then get screwy results. So, players have to fly as pirates to run an unknown number of missions to make a hex their cartel and then they have to run even more missions as an Empire player to raise the DV.

Simply put - scrap the cartel layer. It's the main root of the trouble.

jdmckinney · « **Reply #224 on:** March 04, 2003, 09:11:23 am »

I have to agree with Moggy about scrapping the cartel layer altogether, if it can possibly be yanked out. I've tried to come up with alternatives that would allow us to keep the cartel layer, but it seems like it is much more trouble than it is worth. If, instead, we could get the pirates onto the main map, or keep them as non-territory factions essentially able to flip enemy hexes neutral but unable to capture hexes, then we could roll with the rest. The biggest problem I see there would be having no economy for the cartels, but then pirate ships should be mostly small or rare, anyway.

So, as uninformed as I am about the true inner workings of the game code and server code, I see the following necessary minimum steps to make OP D2 workable:

1. Remove the cartel layer as a required field in the map files and server DB (possibly allowing a cartel layer on/off option).

2. Allow pirates to affect empire health (hurt enemy, boost ally), but unable to take territory on the empire map themselves.

3. Fix neutral coop in all scripts and some pirate drafting problems in assault/defense scripts (Evil Dave missions?).

4. Remove Fed/pirate speed bug (done?).

On step 1, I've tried it without success, but can anyone get a map file with all CartelRegion lines removed to work on an OP server kit? If so, does it fix cartel layer issues at all, or does it just act like the map has an all-neutral cartel layer?

ragamer · « **Reply #225 on:** March 04, 2003, 09:39:05 am »

Hey Firesoul... SFC community is one of the MORE IMPORTANT reasons why we can discuss now about SFC3, that's something
that I'm not putting in doubt... Ppl like you, Nuclearwessel (;)... not weasel... I know), arcticfire and so on have
been doing a LOT of good work... But I was talking about the base product...

Being a programmer myself I know what can be done with a good SQL connection... But now that I know better the Script
API... Can you imagine the wonders that could be coded if we know the DV of the hex from inside the script?... Damn...
a single byte value... just that and you can really translate to the tactical theater the Strategic Status of each Dyna
Hex.

And this is just with the actual Server Database... Imagine a DYNA+ where economic points need to travel from one place
to another to be transformed into player resources (ships, repairs, refits)... Then a new world of intelligence, piracy,
deep raids, counterstrikes, exploration and resource management could be open to us to battle for... ah just dreaming
I suppouse.

DONOTDELETE · « **Reply #226 on:** March 04, 2003, 01:46:25 pm »

ragamer: /quote "AJTK... You are my man/woman... It's good to find some1 that has some objective thinking around." /endquote

1)MAN
2)I am glad you liked my threads, thank you. You make some valid points as well.

Fire: We LOVE YOU, MAN!! Never doubt it. You and everyone else that is working/has worked/will work on EAW/OP.

As much as I wanted to, I dont abhor(sp) SFC3, even if I do think, IMO, it is largely responsible for the untimely demise of SFC. Nor do I abhor(sp) those whom dislike SFC/SFB, I simply disagree with them, and in some cases most strongly. I really do not believe I could find myself moved to actually HATE someone I have never met over something as simple as a game.

Have a nice day!

DONOTDELETE · « **Reply #228 on:** March 04, 2003, 10:16:31 pm »

Favorite SFC (Total Votes: 149)
SFC 1
10 06%

SFC2 EAW
64 42%

SFC Orion Pirates
43 28%

SFC 3
32 21%

Current totals

E_Look · « **Reply #229 on:** March 05, 2003, 12:07:32 am »

I voted for SFC1. I STILL get the biggest kick out of it and I do have OP and EAW installed alongside it. This is because I like single player skirmish/campaign modes, heavy on the skirmish. Though, if I wanted to play campaign more, OP/EAW would count more in my heart. SFC3 does not run on my system. I wish I could comment on it.

TheSatyr · « **Reply #230 on:** March 05, 2003, 02:53:13 am »

I think the (possible) demise of SFC has nothing to do with SFC3...I doubt a GAW would have sold any better.

There seems to be a lack of interest in Star Trek these days. Nemesis bombed,SFC3 hasn't done too well either,apparently. I don't know how Enterprise is doing ratings wise.

The thing is,we are the hardcore SFC/SFB/Star Trek types. We don't exactly represent the general public. We still play games that the average player put on the shelf along time ago.

I think maybe a break of a year or two for SFC might be a good idea. The market just doesn't seem to be there for it right now.

Maxillius · « **Reply #233 on:** March 05, 2003, 08:32:11 pm »

Not necessarily. How much of a stretch would it be to consider 3-d movement and weapon arcs with the SFB rules in mind? I can imagine how dumb it would be for anyone to try to attack a Fed ship from the top or bottom!

Cleaven · « **Reply #234 on:** March 05, 2003, 09:16:31 pm »

Apparently what passes for a true Star Trek game is mostly rubbish, at least from the point of view of somebody who finds Napoleonic miniatures, Panzer Blitz and SFB enjoyable. I think that Sid Meier is responsible for a lot of angst since he made Age of Rifles and let me first enjoy PC games.

Anyhow if there is nothing else to look forward to except FPS and RTS games based on how quick your reflexes are then something is going to be missing for a while. Patching OP will fill that void for a bit I suppose, but I don't see anything else on the horizon. A LAN version of OP would be useful too. Even very good looking games like ORB and Haegemonia still can't give you the same combined tactical and strategic multiplayer experience though.

Best not to think about the future in case it happens.

Scorpion · « **Reply #235 on:** March 06, 2003, 12:14:08 am »

BUMP!!

kevlar · « **Reply #236 on:** March 06, 2003, 01:09:40 am »

OT but had to say it :Sid Meier was and is one of the "great ones".
I still remember playing one of his games, "Pirates" ,in 2 disks that monoplized the drive of the Amiga 500 for like 1 year.

TheSatyr · « **Reply #238 on:** March 06, 2003, 03:06:55 am »

Not even SFC1 sold 500,000 copies in 90 days...and that was the best selling game in the series.

I just don't see that as being possible...not for a niche game like SFC.

Does anyone know how many copies Bridge Commander sold?

TheSatyr · « **Reply #239 on:** March 06, 2003, 03:12:10 am »

Sid Meier is a freacking genius when it comes to games. I don't think there is ANYBODY out there in his class.

I think he has done at least one game in just about every game genre out there...and done them all well.

I do wish he could get permission to re-work Birth of the Federation,since he did mention that he was looking into purchasing the rights to all the old Microprose games...and was seriously thinking about remaking some of them.

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