Topic: Forget Kirk, bring back Sisko!

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    Tremok. I can't see your writing or your post what colour are you useing can anybody else.You might want to switch font coluors.This is the secound time Tremok I can't see your post or reply.  

[FFZ]

  I remember the episode.

I also know the Kirk character would never kill inocents for any reason, more then once he was prepared to let himself be killed rather then do it.

Also, you ever see Kirk lose disapline of his crew?

That example doesn't fit, however, the post above yours, about the soccer mom does fit Voyager to a 't'  

[Tremok]

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    Tremok. I can't see your writing or your post what colour are you useing can anybody else.You might want to switch font coluors.This is the secound time Tremok I can't see your post or reply.  

White. You might wish to quote my post to see what I said if the font colors are giving you trouble.

 

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    Tremok. I can't see your writing or your post what colour are you useing can anybody else.You might want to switch font coluors.This is the secound time Tremok I can't see your post or reply.  

White. You might wish to quote my post to see what I said if the font colors are giving you trouble.

 

That is a little better but I see what you said at the bottom.  

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    Tremok. I can't see your writing or your post what colour are you useing can anybody else.You might want to switch font coluors.This is the secound time Tremok I can't see your post or reply.  

White. You might wish to quote my post to see what I said if the font colors are giving you trouble.

 

That is a little better but I see what you said at the bottom.  

I hope you can see why.  

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    Tremok. I can't see your writing or your post what colour are you useing can anybody else.You might want to switch font coluors.This is the secound time Tremok I can't see your post or reply.  

White. You might wish to quote my post to see what I said if the font colors are giving you trouble.

 

That is a little better but I see what you said at the bottom.  

I hope you can see why.  

This so the rest of us can see what you are saying  

[Merlinfmct87]

Maybe the reason you all react to this so strongly is Janeway tried to overcome her flaws. The other captains you could feel superior to. Sisko was very similar to you, (think Q-Less) Picard you could just write off as an acedemic wuss, and Kirk was just a lucky womanizer. But Janeway...she actually tried to rise above her circumstances.

My mother had a saying: "People's greatest fear is an accurate mirror."

So go on chanting the american chant of the comforts of the damned. You've shown your character, and I can honestly say I'm not threatened or intimidated in the slightest. Go back to your Sisko, your prophets, your bible, your blue pill, your mask.

I'd say don't get in my way, but we tread entierly different paths.  

[FFZ]

 I'd say your rather a small person to try and insult someone because they don't agree with you on what makes a good fictional captain.

Go back to your PC world dude, I won't miss you.

Trek is about heroic fiction, not the 'soccer moms in space' that you prefer.  

[Scipio_66]

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It's a character building moment. You know, those moments in between Riker Chicks and Photon-Eating Romulans?

Ah, yes, that is the first thing they teach promising young ensigns at Annapolis.  "Whenever someone becomes insubordinate, cry in front of your officers!  Nothing instills the crew with proper military discipline quite like the sight of their commander in tears.  Besides, tears build character."  

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One little light cruiser with a nifty little piece of technology called a replicator. Yes, they can make more that tea. AND, your not feeding the planet, just a token gesture. Your also providing the methods to grow more. See, plants have seeds. Seeds Grow. Seeds feed planet.

Go ahead, replicate all the food your system can handle.  How much can you beam down at a time?  How long are you going to stick around and keep it up?

This was a space-faring, interplanetary race with extensive enough territory that going around wasn't a good option.  Their planet(s) let their population grow into that size.  Thus they had seeds.  If their  people were hungry, it must have been because they planets couldn't grow enough, not because they didn't have seeds to plant.  How is one lost and lonely little ship going to make a difference to a population of that size?

If you invite the Imperious Leader over and give him a nice state dinner, maybe you can butter him up and show him what peacable people you are, and he'll let your ship pass thorugh his empire.  If as an author you are going to use "food" to let your characters pay for their passage, that would have been the better way to go about it.

The problem here was that the Voyager writers were stuck in their PC mindset.   "These are good guys.  Good guys with a prime directive don't offer advanced tech, and they certainly don't offer money-the-root-of-all-evil.  No, good guys offer only food and medical supplies."  I don't think the writers ever stopped to consider that one small ship feeding an interplanetary population with a lump-sum payment was a dumb idea.  They never stepped back to consider the context of their situation.

And again, this was a fault of the writers, not the Janeway character.  The setup of the series put Captain Janeway in a position to do a lot of interesting and heroic things.  If she had had better writers I might have liked her better.  (Though I can't imagine ever likeing that ultra-PC cast of characters.  But tastes differ.)

Currently I'm having the same problem with Enterprise.  The show has absolutely everything it needs to be a huge success........... except competent writers.

-S'Cipio

[Scipio_66]

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 Brooks is not coming back to Star Trek. He's been blacklisted. Sniff about and your find several comments that state to the effect "We would welcome every actor of DS9 back, except him"  

I'm curious.  What did Brooks do to get blacklisted?

Oh, yeah, and back on-topic, I agree with Nanner's rankings of the captains.

-S'Cipio

[NannerSlug]

yeah, how do you know that brooks has been black listed? i would find it hard to believe that one of the best captains/ fleshed out characters and actors would be black listed.

[FFZ]

  I'm not sure Avery Brooks is blacklisted, but I do know he doesn't want to be a part of Trek anymore, and this isn't uncommon.

Leonard Nimoy said the same thing in 1969, he hated Spock for years, before realizing that Spock was his best meal-ticket.

Maybe brooks will one day see that also.  

[Tremok]

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 Brooks is not coming back to Star Trek. He's been blacklisted. Sniff about and your find several comments that state to the effect "We would welcome every actor of DS9 back, except him"  

I'm curious.  What did Brooks do to get blacklisted?

Oh, yeah, and back on-topic, I agree with Nanner's rankings of the captains.

-S'Cipio  

Couldn't say for sure. Behind-the-scene politics, probably. I've heard that in the last episode of DS9 Sisko was suppose to die, but he complained about racial sterotypes about the black man always dying, so it got changed to were he went off with the prophets promising to return. Also read a comment from him about how he would like to lecture at a university because he would enjoy the freedom of it, "telling the truth how it is without worrying about producers and directors" and such.    

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 Brooks is not coming back to Star Trek. He's been blacklisted. Sniff about and your find several comments that state to the effect "We would welcome every actor of DS9 back, except him"  

I'm curious.  What did Brooks do to get blacklisted?

Oh, yeah, and back on-topic, I agree with Nanner's rankings of the captains.

-S'Cipio  

Couldn't say for sure. Behind-the-scene politics, probably. I've heard that in the last episode of DS9 Sisko was suppose to die, but he complained about racial sterotypes about the black man always dying, so it got changed to were he went off with the prophets promising to return. Also read a comment from him about how he would like to lecture at a university because he would enjoy the freedom of it, "telling the truth how it is without worrying about producers and directors" and such.    

I see what you are doing Tremok aha that old ghost ink trick.  

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 Brooks is not coming back to Star Trek. He's been blacklisted. Sniff about and your find several comments that state to the effect "We would welcome every actor of DS9 back, except him"  

I'm curious.  What did Brooks do to get blacklisted?

Oh, yeah, and back on-topic, I agree with Nanner's rankings of the captains.

-S'Cipio  

Couldn't say for sure. Behind-the-scene politics, probably. I've heard that in the last episode of DS9 Sisko was suppose to die, but he complained about racial sterotypes about the black man always dying, so it got changed to were he went off with the prophets promising to return. Also read a comment from him about how he would like to lecture at a university because he would enjoy the freedom of it, "telling the truth how it is without worrying about producers and directors" and such.    

Doesnt sound like blacklistment anymore than Stewart wanting more Shakepearan roles...

Star Trek actors/actresses tend to be labeled that indefinately, people who never even seen the episodes know who they are, much like Mark/Luke Skywalker. I've seen Brooks and Stewart in other movies and they are fine actors out of Trek, but its hard to think of them that way. It's easy to see Sisko riding the horse in the western or Picard with the peg leg shouting to the saltcrusted crew.

I can totally understand why someone would want to forget to put Trek on their resume...

[nx_adam_1701]

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 Brooks is not coming back to Star Trek. He's been blacklisted. Sniff about and your find several comments that state to the effect "We would welcome every actor of DS9 back, except him"  

I'm curious.  What did Brooks do to get blacklisted?

Oh, yeah, and back on-topic, I agree with Nanner's rankings of the captains.

-S'Cipio  

Couldn't say for sure. Behind-the-scene politics, probably. I've heard that in the last episode of DS9 Sisko was suppose to die, but he complained about racial sterotypes about the black man always dying, so it got changed to were he went off with the prophets promising to return. Also read a comment from him about how he would like to lecture at a university because he would enjoy the freedom of it, "telling the truth how it is without worrying about producers and directors" and such.    

wow I never heard about that, damn wats up wit that, you cant even complain about the finale, i would think he had some right to after 7 seasons, and its better of that way, if he died, we wouldnt be able to speculate and etc... about it, I like some books, when he comes back and etc..., dying would of really sucked, i like it that way better, it ended as it should, now talking about the black thing, that must of really pissed them off, does anyone think that is the main reason why there hasnt been any DS9 movies??????????


adam out

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 Brooks is not coming back to Star Trek. He's been blacklisted. Sniff about and your find several comments that state to the effect "We would welcome every actor of DS9 back, except him"  

I'm curious.  What did Brooks do to get blacklisted?

Oh, yeah, and back on-topic, I agree with Nanner's rankings of the captains.

-S'Cipio  

Couldn't say for sure. Behind-the-scene politics, probably. I've heard that in the last episode of DS9 Sisko was suppose to die, but he complained about racial sterotypes about the black man always dying, so it got changed to were he went off with the prophets promising to return. Also read a comment from him about how he would like to lecture at a university because he would enjoy the freedom of it, "telling the truth how it is without worrying about producers and directors" and such.    

wow I never heard about that, damn wats up wit that, you cant even complain about the finale, i would think he had some right to after 7 seasons, and its better of that way, if he died, we wouldnt be able to speculate and etc... about it, I like some books, when he comes back and etc..., dying would of really sucked, i like it that way better, it ended as it should, now talking about the black thing, that must of really pissed them off, does anyone think that is the main reason why there hasnt been any DS9 movies??????????


adam out  

Nah Bring back good ole Kirk .They will have to make reunion TV series for Sisko & co.  

[nx_adam_1701]

I like kirk, but hes kinda old , i mean if he does another movie, hes gonna be in the same type of wheel chair christopher pike was in, the crew of 1701A is done with, but im not saying i wouldnt go to the movies and see it if it did come out lol

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I like kirk, but hes kinda old , i mean if he does another movie, hes gonna be in the same type of wheel chair christopher pike was in, the crew of 1701A is done with, but im not saying i wouldnt go to the movies and see it if it did come out lol

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Captian Pike was the CO on 1701A .I know what you mean I am just kidding around lol.I would love to see Kirk and CO on the big screen with 1701A my favourite Enterprise minus McCoy of course.  

[nx_adam_1701]

Yup, I wonder if other actors can take the roles of Kirk and the TMP crew, is that possible, I have seen in many DS9 episodes that the same actor plays multi roles in Star Trek, different aliens, ohhhh, I just thought of an idea, what about this, forget kirk, and etc..., and do a whole season on either klingons or romulans, weve seen federation already, i would like a huge change, imagine a show just like Klingon Academy, it could take place in the TMP era and everything, but instead of seeing thru the eyes of the feds, we cant have a klingon ship, characters and etc...

just a suggestion, dont kill me on it lol


adam out