Topic: Forget Kirk, bring back Sisko!  (Read 13016 times)

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Age

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Re: Forget Kirk, bring back Sisko!
« Reply #100 on: April 18, 2004, 12:07:41 pm »
    I could of agree with you more if he were out there he would of gotten Scotty to develope a cloaking Devece for the Enterprise.They are not in Ferertion space so why stick to those rules just shove them out an air lock.He did things his way anyway or sometimes.  

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Re: Forget Kirk, bring back Sisko!
« Reply #101 on: April 18, 2004, 04:22:08 pm »
You guys do have a point, a Cloaking device could have helped a lot for some of the situations that Voyager went through.  And since they were not suppose too be in the Delta quadrant anyways, who is going too know that the Feds are not suppose too use cloaks.

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Re: Forget Kirk, bring back Sisko!
« Reply #102 on: April 18, 2004, 04:36:18 pm »
I think what it comes down to is we each have our Captains, the ones we would be if we could...

They are as different as we are...

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Re: Forget Kirk, bring back Sisko!
« Reply #103 on: April 18, 2004, 05:41:34 pm »
 Brooks is not coming back to Star Trek. He's been blacklisted. Sniff about and your find several comments that state to the effect "We would welcome every actor of DS9 back, except him"

Somewhat of a pity. Sisko is the only captain that ever showed some piss and vinegar. Archer has some potential. Picard, well, sometimes I swear I see him wear skirts. Kirk? Couldn't say, before my time, but seems to be too much of a playboy.

Janeway? I hope whoever put that whiney pissy soccer mom in charge of a ship dies and spends a horrible eternity burning in Hell. I hope my feelings in regard to her are clear.
 
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Re: Forget Kirk, bring back Sisko!
« Reply #104 on: April 19, 2004, 12:17:06 am »
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   Janeway's eneptness caused the mission to be 7 years, Kirk would have found a better way staight away.

BTW, Kirk NEVER lost it in tough spots.

He's simply the best, the others are just pale reflections.
 





"KHAAAAAANNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN!"  


And does anyone remember the episode "Equinox"?  That's where Voyager comes across another Federation ship that seems to have made a bad name for the Federation by its captain's "by any means necessary" approach to getting home.  Granted his ship was in shambles and it was only a Nova-class FF to start with, but still, is that what you were thinking of when you said Kirk would've got them home sooner?  

Age

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Re: Forget Kirk, bring back Sisko!
« Reply #105 on: April 19, 2004, 01:14:14 am »
    Tremok. I can't see your writing or your post what colour are you useing can anybody else.You might want to switch font coluors.This is the secound time Tremok I can't see your post or reply.  

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Re: Forget Kirk, bring back Sisko!
« Reply #106 on: April 19, 2004, 09:47:46 am »
  I remember the episode.

I also know the Kirk character would never kill inocents for any reason, more then once he was prepared to let himself be killed rather then do it.

Also, you ever see Kirk lose disapline of his crew?

That example doesn't fit, however, the post above yours, about the soccer mom does fit Voyager to a 't'
 

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Re: Forget Kirk, bring back Sisko!
« Reply #107 on: April 19, 2004, 01:28:32 pm »

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    Tremok. I can't see your writing or your post what colour are you useing can anybody else.You might want to switch font coluors.This is the secound time Tremok I can't see your post or reply.  




White. You might wish to quote my post to see what I said if the font colors are giving you trouble.

 
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Age

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« Reply #108 on: April 19, 2004, 01:37:38 pm »
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    Tremok. I can't see your writing or your post what colour are you useing can anybody else.You might want to switch font coluors.This is the secound time Tremok I can't see your post or reply.  




White. You might wish to quote my post to see what I said if the font colors are giving you trouble.

 


That is a little better but I see what you said at the bottom.  

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« Reply #109 on: April 19, 2004, 01:39:04 pm »
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    Tremok. I can't see your writing or your post what colour are you useing can anybody else.You might want to switch font coluors.This is the secound time Tremok I can't see your post or reply.  




White. You might wish to quote my post to see what I said if the font colors are giving you trouble.

 


That is a little better but I see what you said at the bottom.  


I hope you can see why.  

Age

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Re: Forget Kirk, bring back Sisko!
« Reply #110 on: April 19, 2004, 01:40:36 pm »
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    Tremok. I can't see your writing or your post what colour are you useing can anybody else.You might want to switch font coluors.This is the secound time Tremok I can't see your post or reply.  




White. You might wish to quote my post to see what I said if the font colors are giving you trouble.

 


That is a little better but I see what you said at the bottom.  


I hope you can see why.  


This so the rest of us can see what you are saying  

Merlinfmct87

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Re: Forget Kirk, bring back Sisko!
« Reply #111 on: April 19, 2004, 10:47:04 pm »
Maybe the reason you all react to this so strongly is Janeway tried to overcome her flaws. The other captains you could feel superior to. Sisko was very similar to you, (think Q-Less) Picard you could just write off as an acedemic wuss, and Kirk was just a lucky womanizer. But Janeway...she actually tried to rise above her circumstances.

My mother had a saying: "People's greatest fear is an accurate mirror."

So go on chanting the american chant of the comforts of the damned. You've shown your character, and I can honestly say I'm not threatened or intimidated in the slightest. Go back to your Sisko, your prophets, your bible, your blue pill, your mask.

I'd say don't get in my way, but we tread entierly different paths.  

FFZ

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Re: Forget Kirk, bring back Sisko!
« Reply #112 on: April 20, 2004, 10:53:50 am »
 I'd say your rather a small person to try and insult someone because they don't agree with you on what makes a good fictional captain.

Go back to your PC world dude, I won't miss you.

Trek is about heroic fiction, not the 'soccer moms in space' that you prefer.
 

Scipio_66

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Re: Forget Kirk, bring back Sisko!
« Reply #113 on: April 20, 2004, 12:41:53 pm »
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It's a character building moment. You know, those moments in between Riker Chicks and Photon-Eating Romulans?





Ah, yes, that is the first thing they teach promising young ensigns at Annapolis.  "Whenever someone becomes insubordinate, cry in front of your officers!  Nothing instills the crew with proper military discipline quite like the sight of their commander in tears.  Besides, tears build character."  

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One little light cruiser with a nifty little piece of technology called a replicator. Yes, they can make more that tea. AND, your not feeding the planet, just a token gesture. Your also providing the methods to grow more. See, plants have seeds. Seeds Grow. Seeds feed planet.




Go ahead, replicate all the food your system can handle.  How much can you beam down at a time?  How long are you going to stick around and keep it up?

This was a space-faring, interplanetary race with extensive enough territory that going around wasn't a good option.  Their planet(s) let their population grow into that size.  Thus they had seeds.  If their  people were hungry, it must have been because they planets couldn't grow enough, not because they didn't have seeds to plant.  How is one lost and lonely little ship going to make a difference to a population of that size?

If you invite the Imperious Leader over and give him a nice state dinner, maybe you can butter him up and show him what peacable people you are, and he'll let your ship pass thorugh his empire.  If as an author you are going to use "food" to let your characters pay for their passage, that would have been the better way to go about it.

The problem here was that the Voyager writers were stuck in their PC mindset.   "These are good guys.  Good guys with a prime directive don't offer advanced tech, and they certainly don't offer money-the-root-of-all-evil.  No, good guys offer only food and medical supplies."  I don't think the writers ever stopped to consider that one small ship feeding an interplanetary population with a lump-sum payment was a dumb idea.  They never stepped back to consider the context of their situation.

And again, this was a fault of the writers, not the Janeway character.  The setup of the series put Captain Janeway in a position to do a lot of interesting and heroic things.  If she had had better writers I might have liked her better.  (Though I can't imagine ever likeing that ultra-PC cast of characters.  But tastes differ.)

Currently I'm having the same problem with Enterprise.  The show has absolutely everything it needs to be a huge success........... except competent writers.

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Re: Forget Kirk, bring back Sisko!
« Reply #114 on: April 20, 2004, 12:46:52 pm »
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 Brooks is not coming back to Star Trek. He's been blacklisted. Sniff about and your find several comments that state to the effect "We would welcome every actor of DS9 back, except him"  




I'm curious.  What did Brooks do to get blacklisted?

Oh, yeah, and back on-topic, I agree with Nanner's rankings of the captains.

-S'Cipio

NannerSlug

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Re: Forget Kirk, bring back Sisko!
« Reply #115 on: April 20, 2004, 02:52:23 pm »
yeah, how do you know that brooks has been black listed? i would find it hard to believe that one of the best captains/ fleshed out characters and actors would be black listed.

FFZ

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Re: Forget Kirk, bring back Sisko!
« Reply #116 on: April 20, 2004, 03:26:46 pm »
  I'm not sure Avery Brooks is blacklisted, but I do know he doesn't want to be a part of Trek anymore, and this isn't uncommon.

Leonard Nimoy said the same thing in 1969, he hated Spock for years, before realizing that Spock was his best meal-ticket.

Maybe brooks will one day see that also.
 

Tremok

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Re: Forget Kirk, bring back Sisko!
« Reply #117 on: April 20, 2004, 04:08:52 pm »
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 Brooks is not coming back to Star Trek. He's been blacklisted. Sniff about and your find several comments that state to the effect "We would welcome every actor of DS9 back, except him"  




I'm curious.  What did Brooks do to get blacklisted?

Oh, yeah, and back on-topic, I agree with Nanner's rankings of the captains.

-S'Cipio  




Couldn't say for sure. Behind-the-scene politics, probably. I've heard that in the last episode of DS9 Sisko was suppose to die, but he complained about racial sterotypes about the black man always dying, so it got changed to were he went off with the prophets promising to return. Also read a comment from him about how he would like to lecture at a university because he would enjoy the freedom of it, "telling the truth how it is without worrying about producers and directors" and such.    

Age

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Re: Forget Kirk, bring back Sisko!
« Reply #118 on: April 20, 2004, 06:27:07 pm »
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 Brooks is not coming back to Star Trek. He's been blacklisted. Sniff about and your find several comments that state to the effect "We would welcome every actor of DS9 back, except him"  




I'm curious.  What did Brooks do to get blacklisted?

Oh, yeah, and back on-topic, I agree with Nanner's rankings of the captains.

-S'Cipio  




Couldn't say for sure. Behind-the-scene politics, probably. I've heard that in the last episode of DS9 Sisko was suppose to die, but he complained about racial sterotypes about the black man always dying, so it got changed to were he went off with the prophets promising to return. Also read a comment from him about how he would like to lecture at a university because he would enjoy the freedom of it, "telling the truth how it is without worrying about producers and directors" and such.    


I see what you are doing Tremok aha that old ghost ink trick.  

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Re: Forget Kirk, bring back Sisko!
« Reply #119 on: April 24, 2004, 08:46:38 am »
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 Brooks is not coming back to Star Trek. He's been blacklisted. Sniff about and your find several comments that state to the effect "We would welcome every actor of DS9 back, except him"  




I'm curious.  What did Brooks do to get blacklisted?

Oh, yeah, and back on-topic, I agree with Nanner's rankings of the captains.

-S'Cipio  




Couldn't say for sure. Behind-the-scene politics, probably. I've heard that in the last episode of DS9 Sisko was suppose to die, but he complained about racial sterotypes about the black man always dying, so it got changed to were he went off with the prophets promising to return. Also read a comment from him about how he would like to lecture at a university because he would enjoy the freedom of it, "telling the truth how it is without worrying about producers and directors" and such.    




Doesnt sound like blacklistment anymore than Stewart wanting more Shakepearan roles...

Star Trek actors/actresses tend to be labeled that indefinately, people who never even seen the episodes know who they are, much like Mark/Luke Skywalker. I've seen Brooks and Stewart in other movies and they are fine actors out of Trek, but its hard to think of them that way. It's easy to see Sisko riding the horse in the western or Picard with the peg leg shouting to the saltcrusted crew.

I can totally understand why someone would want to forget to put Trek on their resume...