Topic: links to lyran tactics??? (Read 7550 times)

TraumaTech · « **on:** April 10, 2004, 05:43:45 am »

hailz all,if any one knows of links to lyran tactics i would greatly appreciate you posting them here.any other race would eb fine too ty

Age · « **Reply #1 on:** April 10, 2004, 12:14:10 pm »

Go ask Mog he really great at cammanding Lyran ships.I am best at Federation or Klingon but I don't know what you what to know you didn't specify what you wanted .I could make a big posting if you want to know every tactic I use you need to be specific about what it is you want.This is what I ask users in hear that doesn't sound right it sound like we'll junckies anyway getting back I ask them specific questions eg. captureing etc.see what I am getting at.There are lots of tactics you can use but what do you want to know.What is this Facination everyone has with Lyrans anyway.I hope this helps you out.

jimmi7769 · « **Reply #2 on:** April 10, 2004, 01:56:32 pm »

Check out the Xenocorp webpage. They have some good stuff on all the races. here are some helpful links.

http://www.xenocorp.net/

http://goldenpridefleet.tripod.com/

IndyShark · « **Reply #3 on:** April 10, 2004, 07:57:00 pm »

Take the CWLP out for a spin. For the cost, it's dynomite! Load up on suicide shuttles. Lyrans can drop two at a time. I call it the pocket R torpedo.

That's my favorite Lyran by far.

Age · « **Reply #4 on:** April 10, 2004, 11:08:00 pm »

That depends on the era he is in and how much prestige points he has you were not explianing tactics to him though anyone can do this I could do it easier in Federation ship easier they carry four shuttles to.They can not however be droped 2 at a time is this FireSouls shiplist or Taldren Orignal that you are using.

What is it with Lyrans Anyway

Corbomite · « **Reply #5 on:** April 10, 2004, 11:32:13 pm »

Gorn, Lyran and Hydran all have multiple shuttle launch capabilitiy. The Lyrans and Hydrans can launch up to two shuttles at a time and some Gorn ships can launch up to four at a time. These are racial features and have nothing to do with the shiplist unless someone is cheating by using a mod.

No offence Age, but you might want to learn more about the game before you go out giving advice. Some of the things you have told people to do will only get them destroyed.

Vandemar Croup · « **Reply #6 on:** April 10, 2004, 11:45:53 pm »

Sent you a PM. Just let me know.

Age · « **Reply #7 on:** April 11, 2004, 05:06:13 am »

I don't Think so I am know what I am doing at my end and with a little help from someone else.The user did not indicate what ship he is useing and what ship he is going up agianst.He did not indicate any of that how is someone to give him tactics when you don't know or presume to know what ship he is using.Please tell me that he did not indicate anything to us to give him advice.If I need advice or tactics from all of you users.I would tell you what ship I am using and what ship I am going up agianst or haveing a hard time with this what I would say.

You can not give this person some Tactical advice with out know any of this do you see what I am saying.You would get this person killed not me.I want more information before I proceed to give out Tactical advice.I hope you can understand me now if not I won't be asking you for advice.

Cleaven · « **Reply #8 on:** April 11, 2004, 05:47:50 am »

IKV Nemesis D7L · « **Reply #9 on:** April 11, 2004, 08:57:15 am »

Power

The majority of Lyran ships are short on power. So you must carefully control this resource:

1/ Don't forget to set your power priorities.

2/ Monitor the power going to your ESGs, they are power hogs and in many circumstances you will want to lower the power slider to slow the recharge rate, remember that they can be fired underpowered and your opponent just sees the ring not the strength of it.

3/ Be prepared to turn off some or even all of your disruptors, many ships have 3 mounts the center being an FX mount, turn off the FX mounted disruptors last.

4/ Consider your phaser power slider carefully. You will often wish to reduce it to compensate for the fact that your Phaser 3s being only used defensively in many circumstances will not need to be powered rapidly.

The Mizia effect:

Learn to use the mizia effect. For those who don't know it the mizia effect takes into account how damage allocation works. If you do multiple bursts (several seconds apart) that do internal damage, rather than a single big burst of equal power you will destroy more power and weapon systems.

How did the effect get it's name? The Mizia effect was noted in Star Fleet Battles and submitted as a tip to The Captains Log magazine (or was it Nexus?) by a player whose last name was Mizia.

The ESG:

The ESG has 4 functions.

1/ Defensive. It can knock out those incoming missiles. It can sweep mines.

2/ Offensive. Useful to "ram" an enemy and knock down the enemies shield. (See the Kzinbane Onion listed below).

3/ Deterrent. It can make an opponent turn away rather than face the damage. The enemy only sees the ESG, they cannot tell the strength. Rather than have their shielding stripped away or take significant internal damage they can often be persuaded to turn away, which can be useful. The ESG can be fired partially charged and have this effect (also sweeps mines while partially charged).

4/ "Flashes" cloaked vessels. It automatically hits cloaked vessels within the area of effect (even partially powered as above). This reveals the ship and allows lockon for several seconds. Your weapons will work for full effect while the flash is in effect, use that time wisely. While flashed the ship still counts as cloaked for purposes of fireing weapons and cannot return fire.

The Kzinbane Onion:

The Onion takes into account the mizia effect mentioned earlier. When in a situation where your ESGs can be made to hit the enemy rather than just deter him, careful manual control will allow you to set each ESG for a different diameter. With 4 you can have four consecutive rings, each one will count as a separate volley for damage purposes which invokes the mizia effect and can be VERY effective at stripping power and weapons from the enemy. This is especially effective it your speed is such that you can fire some of your weapons between each ring impact for further mizia volleys. It is of course at its peak of effectiveness if the enemy shield is already down.

The Kzinbane Onion is named for the player who first described it and began promoting its use. The name describes both it's multiple layers and how it makes the Captain whose vessel is hit by one cry.

Additional systems:

T-Bombs and suicide shuttles are your friends. Careful use of T-Bombs can stop many missiles (or fighters) with one bomb. It can also be used to change your opponents course as often they will turn aside rather than hit one. Suicide shuttles (especially when dropped at range 0 so point defense does not work) also counts as a separate volley for mizia.

Always set shield reinforcement to use any excess power (maulers excepted of course). You won't often have it but it is better when you do (for all races) to put it somewhere it may be useful.

Weapon groups. Group your ESGs separately from all other weapons. You DON'T want to fire them by accident. Your Phaser 3's should also be grouped separately as they are mostly used for point defense (and for close in Mizia volleys).

Corbomite · « **Reply #10 on:** April 11, 2004, 09:27:22 am »

Quote:

I don't Think so I am know what I am doing at my end and with a little help from someone else.The user did not indicate what ship he is useing and what ship he is going up agianst.He did not indicate any of that how is someone to give him tactics when you don't know or presume to know what ship he is using.Please tell me that he did not indicate anything to us to give him advice.If I need advice or tactics from all of you users.I would tell you what ship I am using and what ship I am going up agianst or haveing a hard time with this what I would say.

You can not give this person some Tactical advice with out know any of this do you see what I am saying.You would get this person killed not me.I want more information before I proceed to give out Tactical advice.I hope you can understand me now if not I won't be asking you for advice.

I didn't give any tactical advice so I won't get anyone killed with my suggestions. Most tactics are race oriented and have very little to do with a particular ship or class of ships, but there are some notable exceptions when it comes to underpowered units. The originator of this thread and every decent pilot in the game knows this. See Nemesis' post above? Did he mention any one ship? He only noted that power may be a problem at times.

I see what you are saying very well and I'll be glad to blow you to bits at every opportunity if we ever meet in battle. I'm glad you won't ask me for advice because I don't give out advice. Why should I tell you how to beat me? Besides, with your penchant for insulting people who are trying to help you out when you ask (as seen in other posts) if they are not on your fanboy list I doubt most people will want to help you out anyway. I know I won't. I'll just be doing this -

P.S. You might want to work on your grammar and stream of consciousness posting style. People have to read this stuff you know.

Have a nice day!

3dot14 · « **Reply #13 on:** April 11, 2004, 12:26:28 pm »

Great job Nemesis, pretty comprehensive.

One addition to the list, if I may:

ESG:
1. Defensive.
It can also be used against incoming Hydran Hellbore warheads. The ESG will attract (automatic hit for HB) the warhead and absord it's damage (1:1 cancelling between the damage potential of HB and ESG).
This has very limited use. (which is why I think Nemesis didn't list it)
a.) to shield your self. HB are rather accurate weapons, if you have ESG Charged and have one shield down, you can choose to cancel the HB rather than taking the internal. In general, 1 ESG should be able to block one normal HB handily. 1 Overload HB will overpower 1 ESG.
b.) to shield your teammate. (obviously applicable to team games only...) If the hydrans are constantly lopping HB at your wounded teammate, you can use ESG to attract HB shots and absorb the damage aimed at your teammate. You must be IN THE PATH of the HB warhead. It doesn't matter if the target isn't you, the HB will hit your ESG. This maybe especially useful if your teammate has the long range firepower to trade shots w/ them (say... a fellow hb-powered hydran, or PPD-powered ISC).

I once heard Lyran being discribed as a schizo-race. You can either choose to fly them like Fusion-Powered Hydrans (close range strikes) or Klingons with a couple fewer ph1's (mizia) ... I thought it was rather accurate...

Age · « **Reply #16 on:** April 11, 2004, 08:15:27 pm »

No I am not going to do anything that was misspelled I meant I more Downloading to do.What I said about shuttles I was refering to Federation not Lyran I know that Fed. Shuttles luanch 1 at a time if I was Taking on a LCA with an FCA I woundn't wory to much about the ESG. it is not as bad as plasma I don't worry to much about that either it depends on what sips are being used.I would say this that if I was cammanding a Lyran ship I would want 4 decoys handy instead it all depends on the missles that Kizin(Mirak) are useing slow, medium or fast and what type 1 or 4 and what ship he is useing and his opponet.I sorry if I caused you any fear or anxiety it was just my typo so sorry.It would've be nice of you to stop useing the instant graemlin rofl in your posts Though.It would be fine if we were all joking around but we weren't were we not at all.I would seggest that you grow up and get a little more serious on these posts before you a Moderater get or you get got by one.I know what it like to up agiasnt the Police I was rebel in my youger years and Police don't scare me a bit.

Are we cool on this Corbomite

Corbomite · « **Reply #17 on:** April 11, 2004, 09:06:32 pm »

I'll let you know after my eyes stop bleeding. At least you spelled my name right!

Sorry, I couldn't resist. I'll stop

now. It's all good as long as you have fun. That's what games are all about.

Age · « **Reply #18 on:** April 12, 2004, 01:39:09 am »

I am with you on this.I can say one thing about this forum like another one I am on it certianly not boring it slightest that other one I am on is a little boring.Forum users use it for information and telling them when campaign are starting like D2 and D3 nothing exciting happens on that one.I never seen that one instant Graemlins before.

TraumaTech · « **Reply #19 on:** April 12, 2004, 05:57:23 am »

thx guys,i appreciate the suggestions,and i am interested in tactics to use vs all races as a lyran,but most especially vs hydrans(1st) and droners(2nd)

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