Topic: USS Titan as envisioned by Ol'Buzzard :) (Read 9116 times)

Azel · « **on:** April 08, 2004, 04:32:20 pm »

Hey man Hope you like

She is a Fun ship
Enjoy mates:

olbuzzard · « **Reply #1 on:** April 08, 2004, 05:18:08 pm »

YOU 'DA MAN !!!!!!

Rat_Boy · « **Reply #2 on:** April 08, 2004, 05:19:39 pm »

Hold the contest, we have a new contender!

Azel · « **Reply #3 on:** April 08, 2004, 05:20:29 pm »

Glad you like her mate

sorry about the rough curves on the saucer...I had to draw them free hand and without a template
as the shape is unusual...

olbuzzard · « **Reply #4 on:** April 08, 2004, 05:23:03 pm »

Quote:

Hey man Hope you like
She is a Fun ship
Enjoy mates:

btw if this were done as a model.. and if some reason it was possible .. I would like to dedicate it to Capt Ken of the 9th Fleet. He has never asked anything of anyone ( or very rarely if ever....) and is the current Fleet Admiral of the 9th. This would in now way change the registry .... name or anytrhing else. He simply fell in love with this ship and its concept as soon as he heard about it. I just thought it would be a good jesture to someone who has done a lot for the Fleet.

Thanks...

olbuzzard · « **Reply #6 on:** April 08, 2004, 05:44:50 pm »

Thanks...

Ya know bud... we need to see how everyone feels about doing the model on this...( Just curious if it's not asking too much.) It may be partly my concept... but YOU brought it to life. I DOES look like a good cross between the the Sov and the Galaxy. And that ( I think ) would fit Riker like a glove. You have just the right mix of TNG textures... and a few new ones. That to me is what makes this so workable.

Thanks again !

olbuzzard · « **Reply #8 on:** April 08, 2004, 06:55:47 pm »

I agree totaly. Thanks for the kind words... and your efforts.

NannerSlug · « **Reply #9 on:** April 08, 2004, 08:40:46 pm »

imo, this is by far and away the best interpretation of what a "cannon" titan might look like. this thing SCREAMS federation/classic trek design.

excellent.

olbuzzard · « **Reply #10 on:** April 08, 2004, 08:57:31 pm »

hehehe... Hey Azel .. I need to "Borrow" these nacelles for another project as well !!

sandman69247 · « **Reply #11 on:** April 09, 2004, 12:05:03 am »

Damn!! I see the next Azel masterpiece...great work to both of you. Now, we need a modeler...I would, but I'm not too good with TNG/post-TNG designs yet, though I'm getting better.

Actually, this looks like it's right up WZ's alley, if we could get him to do it.

ModelsPlease · « **Reply #12 on:** April 09, 2004, 02:41:53 am »

WOW,That's one awesome ship.I think it would be great to name the ship after your friend sir !!!! NOw all we need is a modeller for this beauty.

-MP

Kaenyne · « **Reply #15 on:** April 09, 2004, 08:06:30 am »

I think this concept is attractive. I think she resembles more of a compact Sovereign than a Galaxy. But no matter the case, she's a Titan.

starforce2 · « **Reply #16 on:** April 09, 2004, 05:16:12 pm »

Now this ship I could see as the titan, the other was just plain ugly.

Reverend · « **Reply #17 on:** April 10, 2004, 12:33:01 am »

Okay, very okay... becoming great!! Do you have a side view?

olbuzzard · « **Reply #18 on:** April 10, 2004, 12:51:35 pm »

I'm working on a preliminary sketch... I'll turn it over to Azel via PM today. ( his skill in detail and texture ... absolutely ROCK !!)

Azel · « **Reply #19 on:** April 20, 2004, 03:12:54 pm »

Here's are some more veiws

Dorsal:

Ventral(minus nacelles...as they are unnessesary to draw for this veiw):

Side:

Rat_Boy · « **Reply #20 on:** April 20, 2004, 04:16:04 pm »

Quoth Frank Barone: Holy Crap!

ModelsPlease · « **Reply #21 on:** April 20, 2004, 04:16:54 pm »

Beyond phenominal sirs!!!! Do you have a modeller for this ship yet ? Somone really needs to bring this ship to life.IMHO I would love to see Wicked Zombie tackle it,he does unreal (and undead ) work

-MP

olbuzzard · « **Reply #22 on:** April 20, 2004, 05:13:09 pm »

Hey man this stuff really rocks... If ya dont mind I have a couple of tweaks for the primary hull (just a few vrey minor proportional things..)

Dude this really rocks !!!

Azel · « **Reply #23 on:** April 20, 2004, 05:29:13 pm »

Well I am Glad The design sat well with you guys

Smiley · « **Reply #24 on:** April 20, 2004, 05:35:03 pm »

Gotta love this design, one of my favourite Fed TNGish craft by far

olbuzzard · « **Reply #25 on:** April 20, 2004, 08:16:01 pm »

AZEL ....

here are my suggestions for the tweaks, this might work a little better with the primary hulls proportionate design with the rest of the ship. Again, your input is both requested ... and most honored.

thanks

Azel · « **Reply #26 on:** April 20, 2004, 08:18:55 pm »

I like the length Idea(but be careful, I'd hate for the ship to loose her beauty shots, if she has no body...like the sovy)...but I cannot go with the wider saucer...it doesn't rub me right...lol
oh and re connect that secondary hull to the bottom of the saucer...I put that in purposely

olbuzzard · « **Reply #27 on:** April 20, 2004, 08:41:07 pm »

all of the lines should be the same... we lost just a tad of the back end of the primary hull where the nacelles would now extend just enough to block part of the view... but the lines you created should still be there. The same is true for the small "break" where we did the Photoshop alteration... ( just one of those little lines we over looked when making the size corrections.)

Lastly... i totally agree with the suggestion about the body. That was one thing we wanted to do was to not reproduce one like the Sovy... it's ok... but just not my particular preference.

I hope this makes sense ... and clarifies everythihg. BTW.... final analysis .. we both are in agreement. I LIKE IT !!

Azel · « **Reply #28 on:** April 20, 2004, 08:46:38 pm »

Cool

olbuzzard · « **Reply #29 on:** April 20, 2004, 08:53:09 pm »

SUPER !!!! Now she's ready for the next big step !!! BTW.. I have really appreciated your help AZEL ... great team work ... excellent attitude .... makes this part of the SFC community fun again !! I dont mind telling ya that is totally refreshing and deeply appreciated !!

Reverend · « **Reply #30 on:** April 20, 2004, 11:19:11 pm »

bump? any info? great design, great design....

ModelsPlease · « **Reply #31 on:** April 21, 2004, 03:47:59 am »

Every sketch I see is better than the last on this design WOW.And to think this all started with my simple poll about Vote for the Titan. (Mental note to self......create more polls

)
You gentlemen have totally smoked this ship !!!!

-MP

olbuzzard · « **Reply #32 on:** April 21, 2004, 07:35:38 am »

HEHEHE ... Thanks man .... amazing what a group of guys can do when we put our knogins togeather. While we are discussing this ... we might as well look at stuff like here over all size, warp capability, weapons load out .... etc. I'm at work right now and don't haev access to the web site .... but someone has done one. I don't know that I agree entirely with it. But, IMHO we might as well take a good look at that just in case it might adversly affect the over all model itself.

Personally I do not see the Titan being too much larger than the Sovy ... if at all. It would CERTAILY be smaller than a Galaxy class.

MP... I know you have see the site I'm talking about... if ya can get those specs and post them ... it might give us something to review for discussion.

Thanks guys for all of your kind words of encouragement.... and a special thanks to AZEL "THE Man. the myth .. THE LEGEND !!!! for all of the work he has contributed to this project !!!

ModelsPlease · « **Reply #33 on:** April 21, 2004, 09:30:54 am »

I placed all the specs for the Titan side by side with the Sovereign and Galaxy classes in another posting to make it more convenient to view.

-MP

olbuzzard · « **Reply #34 on:** April 21, 2004, 02:02:43 pm »

Thanks bud... I will review this later on in the evening when we get home. I have a bass toruney this week end soooo I'd kind like to have the "specs" done before then. That might help the modelers do their thing a lilttle easier. (We may or may NOT utilize those speces ... but it can give us something for everyone to use as a point of reference.

thanks

Vichama · « **Reply #35 on:** April 21, 2004, 02:57:05 pm »

Very nice.

ModelsPlease · « **Reply #36 on:** April 21, 2004, 04:21:25 pm »

My pleasure.Did you want me to post the specs for a few comparable ships as well that way we can fine tune Titan,if need be?

olbuzzard · « **Reply #37 on:** April 21, 2004, 05:36:43 pm »

That would be cool. I will be working another 14 hour day, the way it looks ( still at work now)... Get me some specs and picts of the Sovy and Galaxy side by side.

From there I can extrapalate an accurate evaluation that should help keep this with in "TNG Cannon". The last thing I want is a cheese cake device produced. Once we get things set up an appropriate guide line in place, individial interpritations on special mods and servers can be changed as they see fit. But, IMHO we need to at least start with a reasonable foundation. (At least that is my personal goal .... )

thanks again bud ... seriously .. it will help me with the research side of the development !!!

Lord Schtupp · « **Reply #38 on:** April 21, 2004, 06:17:25 pm »

Very nice design - one of your best I think

ModelsPlease · « **Reply #41 on:** April 22, 2004, 05:28:01 am »

I am honored to be working with both of you sirs on this project. I totally agree that this is what a forum should be.We need more collaborations like this .And I believe I see that starting to happen.So without further adue...................

U.S.S. TITAN / Sovereign / Galaxy

Specs

Duration: 130/ 120 / 100 years
Resupply:Every 5 / N/A / N/A years

Refit
Minor : Every 1 / 1 / 1 year
Standard: 1 / 1 / 1 years
Major : 10 / 10 / 20 years

Hull : FDN / FDN / FDN

Speed
Cruising: Warp 8 / 7 / 6
Max : 9.9 / 9.5 / 9.2
Emergency: 9.99 ( 12 hour duration) / 9.7 (12 hour duration) / 9.6 (12 hour duration)

Personel
Officers: 100 / 130 / 1,014 Total
Enlisted : 600 / 725 /
Marines : 75
Guests : 25 / N/A / 200

Auxillary Craft
Shuttle Bays : 2 / 2 / 3
Shuttles : 6 / 8 / 10 shuttles or 12 shuttlepods
Fighters : 8 / N/A / N/A
Runabouts : 2 / N/A / 8
Captains Yacht : 1 / 1 / 1

Weapons
20 X Type phaser arrays / 14 X Type arrays / 12 X Type arrays

Torpedoes
8 Heavy Torpedo Launchers: / 5 Heavy Launchers : / 2 Heavy Launchers:
2 X Type / 4 X type / 1 X type forward lower saucer hull
2 X Type forward upper saucer hull
2 X Type / 1 X type / 1 X type aft firing on engineering hull
1 X Type starboard firing on engineering hull
1 X Type port firing on engineering hull

Dimensions
Length : 640 m / 685m / 641m
Beam : 200 m / 224m / 470m
Height : 84 m / 88m / 145m
Decks : 20 / 24 / 42

There ya go sirs,commence the discussions .

-MP

olbuzzard · « **Reply #42 on:** April 22, 2004, 07:23:56 am »

Thanks bud... I didn't leave work until after 8pm our time last night: got home and had to litterally put part of my Suburban back to geather; .. and I'm already back here again LOL.... oh well. We did get a chnace to begin review of the data.... Now I'm going to see if I can find a side by side pict of the physical apearnaces of the Sovy and the Galaxy as well. I think I kbow where we are headed with this ( Azell and I have discussed it briefly in PM's and both agree) ... just a couple of things to review just to satisfy my own curiosity as much as anything.

HMMMM I found the web site late last night... and from what I've seen they are classifying the Titan as what I call a "heavy BB". On this point I personally disagree strongly. Thought the name "Titan" usually denotes a "Heavy Hitter" of some sort ...I just simply refuse to create a CHEESE CAKE SPECIAL just to make it the "best" so to speak.

BTW... a special thanks MP for the post. I appreciate your continued efforts to find helpful info. I have noticed you do this quite freequently for a lot of folk !! Kudos bud ... thanks !

ModelsPlease · « **Reply #43 on:** April 22, 2004, 07:56:39 am »

Sovereign Class 685 meters

Galaxy Class 641 meters

Titan Class 640 meters

I don't believe the Titan should be much stronger than the Sovereign and I tweaked the stats to try to represent that.Sorry the Titan is not to scale but there ya go.

olbuzzard · « **Reply #44 on:** April 22, 2004, 10:27:08 am »

I agree totaly.. that is what Azel and have dicussed and both agree as well. Off hand... I'm looking at one perhaps slightly smaller ( thought not much ) than the Sovy... but with advanced tech that would allow better speed, manueverability.. etc.. BUT ... these weapons that are showing up like heavy torp tubes... wil not exceed the Sovy. For now what I'm considering is a more effecient and "tougher" ship. That to me defines better the "Titan" image.

( constructive in put appreciated ) thx!

BTW... thanks again MP for the time you invested to do the post !!

Kaenyne · « **Reply #45 on:** April 22, 2004, 10:58:09 am »

Thought I'd give my .02 here. For me, the name Titan also conjures up an image of great size an majesty (read: TITANic). No to tell you how you should do things, as this is your creation, but I still feel that this ship, with a name such as this, needs to be BIG, along the lines of more mass than a Galaxy Class and perhaps longer than a Sovereign. At least on par with the Excalibur. Just IMHO.

Overall, I feel you should do what you feel is right.

battlestar001 · « **Reply #46 on:** April 22, 2004, 11:51:18 am »

shes perfect the way she is

olbuzzard · « **Reply #47 on:** April 22, 2004, 11:59:28 am »

thanks for the input... I will take it under advisement... though to be truthfull I dont see it too much bigger ( in over all length) than the Galaxy class) ...

There are a couple of other things I wish to review before the final decision.

Thanks again !

Lord Schtupp · « **Reply #48 on:** April 22, 2004, 01:02:57 pm »

1000 meters IMHO

olbuzzard · « **Reply #49 on:** April 22, 2004, 10:14:50 pm »

right now ... this is kinda the direction I'm leaning toward:

sandman69247 · « **Reply #50 on:** April 22, 2004, 10:30:55 pm »

I think she should be increased about 5% across the board...my reasoning is that, she should be a little bigger than the Sovy, but still smaller than the Galaxy. She'll still have the same shape and HxWxL ratio, so she won't fall into the Sovy too-sleek look, and still project a "TITAN"ic feel. Remember Rikers ego...he wouldn't take a ship smaller than the Enterprise, no matter how much power it had. Besides, to me, it just feels wrong for it to be that small, comparitively. My $.02

Great work to you both.

olbuzzard · « **Reply #51 on:** April 22, 2004, 10:49:01 pm »

A lot of what you say has merit... she IS longer than the Galaxy class .... just not as wide. Also please note the Titan is slightly taller as well (though it may need to be just a tad higher) . If younoticed we intentionally made the "neck" between the primary and secondary hulls more defined and "taller" than on the Sovy. As for the length ... hmmm my thought are as follows... ( I may be just off on a deep end here ... but ...) I was kinda leaning toward an arugment of "power... weapons ... and maneuverability (for a ship that hull class). That was the reason I stayed away from theh concept presented by "the Miranda Forum" where they conclude that the ship should be as follows: length: 1241 meters; width: 770 meters; height: 545 meters; with 61 decks, and a crew of over 2000. To me that is just a tad over the top.

I understand what you are saying... trust me .. and there may be some validity to that! ( I'm just not convenced that is where we want to end up just yet !)

BTW.... We really appreciate the kind words and the positive input ... thanks !

sandman69247 · « **Reply #52 on:** April 22, 2004, 11:05:58 pm »

NP, maybe I just need a front view to make come intp focus...(shameless hint

).

ModelsPlease · « **Reply #53 on:** April 22, 2004, 11:13:32 pm »

I like where you're going with this sir.It makes sense and is a truly realistic concept,I however disagree with toning down her weapons as you have. She should have more punch then that.With your specs she's hardly better then the Sovie. And the Miranda site SIZE specs could have some validity if you wanted to match up size wise with opponents. If the Romulans continue to build Scimitar like ships,and let's face it,why would they stop,the federation has nothing to stand up to it.The Enterprise was totally out sized,out classed ,out gunned,out manuvered,and out run.Though combat did prove the Sov could take one hell of a beating. With that as a foundation,the Federation would need to step it up a notch. Just something to ponder.

Scimitar Specs:
Length : 890m
Beam : 1,350m
Height : 245m

Weapons
52 X Disruptors
27 X Heavy Torpedo Tubes

Please give her back her punch..... 20 arrays and the original distribution for the 8 torp bays so she can bite at ya from all angles and directions. That's my pitch for that and besides it's only 6 more arrays then than Sovie,totally not Uber......BUT it's more

Personally I like the size you have chosen Keep the size as it is. My $.02

-MP

olbuzzard · « **Reply #54 on:** April 23, 2004, 07:30:38 am »

I understand totally MP... They also thought of the Scimitar as a "Preditor". Also, please keep in mind that there would not have been enough time to construct the Titan based upon the encounter with the Scimitar. Perhaps another ship designed with the expressed purpose of war to keep up with such demands might be appropriate. That concept is totaly contrary to "Fed Cannon Design" for the time being. At the time the Titan would have been concieved and constructed they would have been more concerned with the Borg or the Jem'Hadar where technoology, power management and yes... "better" or more affective weapons would be a concern. There seems to be a vaild statement to her being maybe a tad longer (but certainly no wider). IMHO if she's too wide... too large, maneuverability becomes an issue. I will consider the Phaser Arrays ... that might be something to consider... ( I'll give it some serious thought )

BTW.... all of the input has been excellent and thought provoking. Great job so far guys ...

Kaenyne · « **Reply #55 on:** April 23, 2004, 08:20:45 am »

Not to make life more difficult for ya Olbuzzard, just wanted to say that no matter what size you decide upon, the your Titan is still a great design. (Although I'd still go with the Miranda specs?MP has some points)

olbuzzard · « **Reply #56 on:** April 23, 2004, 08:36:47 am »

Understood... Information recieved in light of your intent... and it is appreciated. That is the reason I wanted to get feed back on this... not just shoot from the hip. I still think we are on the right track and certain that when this is finished that we will have a design that not only works ... but will reflect ST / TNG and the SFC community as well. I am still listening to input and will finalize my decision by late this evening. ( I have a Bass toruney tomorrow ... so I would like to have this phase of the development done by tonight)

OH .. BTW ... the picts above are proportional to the specs listed beside them ( more or less ). And I'm seroiusly considering the Titan being a tad longer than the Sovy ... but it will NOT get any wider than it's current proposal.

Keep those cards and letters comming !!

Thanks

Kaenyne · « **Reply #57 on:** April 23, 2004, 08:51:05 am »

Will do! Hope ya catch a whopper!

sandman69247 · « **Reply #58 on:** April 23, 2004, 09:30:52 am »

Good luck in the tourney!!!

OK, I can live with a little longer...5%,

I also agree with the thought she should have more bite than your current specs, but not much more. Anyway, I think this fan-freakin'-tastic!!..Everyone getting involved like this, it's great!

Azel · « **Reply #60 on:** April 23, 2004, 03:22:37 pm »

OK I like the last version
more guns.....I say as much as a venture variant galaxy refit
it should be as much as a sovy...not more because the ship was in the same era

ModelsPlease · « **Reply #61 on:** April 23, 2004, 05:27:22 pm »

On a final note sir leave her size exactly the way it is.It totally fits into the scheme of TNG. As to the developement and role of the Titan I just wanted to point out a few things.....

1) We cannot assertain how long it has been since the Dom War ended
2) What time passed between the Dom War and The Borg Assault in First Contact.
3)Time between First Contact and Insurrection.
4) How long was the Enterprise in drydock for her Nemesis refit.
5) How long she was in drydock for repairs after her battle with the Scimitar.Condidering the extent of her visual damage it must have been a few years.Case in point,look how long it took to repair the USS Cole and she only took one bomb hit.

The beauty of creating this ship is the luxury we have of conjecturing when her developement began.We know it took 20 years for the Galaxy project to take shape.so there is at least a 20 gap between E-C and E-D.If we speculate her developement along side of the Sovereign Class .it is easily concievable that she was originally designed to engage the Borg based on Starfleets early encounters with them.With the Borg no longer a threat as of this minute,and the E-E in drydock,being the newest ship in the fleet and as a show of strength (which at this point no one believes the Federation has anymore), why not have the Titan head up the Fleet during negotiations with the Romulans ? She has the 3 B's...
1)Beefy
2)Bad Azz
3)Beautiful

-MP

On a side note........Azels new destroyer could be the Fed answer to the Dominion Battleship.Hehehe cheap plug to get her modeled as well.But it is a great design.We can speculate that it was the culmination of everything the Feds hoped the Defiant would be.

My $.02 on that.
And HAPPY FISHING SIR !

olbuzzard · « **Reply #62 on:** April 23, 2004, 07:28:54 pm »

I will consider your presentation sir. Excellent marks on all counts. I do appreciate the review of the size of the ship. Although I knows there was a large jump in size (historically) from the Connie refit to the Excelsior ... it just seems that the size of the ship reviewed by "Miranda" was too large... there have been no MAJOR technological break throughs (even in multivectoring tech ) that would indicate that a ship that large would be nothing less than lacking saverly in manueverability.

However, there are indications that there have been improvements in other areas that would make a ship the size of the Sovy (or even one just slightly longer ) that would make it a power house. After fighting a war with the Dominion the Federation would be pushing hard to improve in those areas. BTW .. at the close of the movie (Nemesis) there was only an indication that months ( not years ) had passed. So I still maintain that while the Scimitar incodent was fresh on their minds ... that was not able to affect the design of the ship. I DO believe that as a result of that encounter that they sent the strongest ship that they had... a newly completed "Titan". There were other Sovys ( though not many) ... but they chose this ship for a reason. I believe that reason was directly related to the "power" of this new vessel.

That brings me to this conclusion. Unless someone can bring me a solid valid reason that we should not procede with this formatt she shall be launched as follows:

18 phaser arrays (that is 50% more than the Sovy) ... 8 heavy torp tubes ...
length: 689 meters
width: (same as above)

all other specs ... same as above ( see comparrison picts above)

I will check back later this evening just before bet time... ( time to get the tackle out and get ready for tomorrow )

BTW ... again much thanks to those who have take the time to review, encourage, and give input into this project.

Ryker · « **Reply #64 on:** April 23, 2004, 08:06:48 pm »

lol- agreed

Recommendations for maximum weapons load:

SAUCER section phasers:

Two forward ventral
Two forward dorsal

Two aft ventral
Two aft dorsal

Underslung (ventral) torpedo pod holding a 120 degree twin quantum torpedo turret (Sov has single turret tube, seems logical extension to have two side by side tubes in the same turret)

ENGINEERING HUL

One central dorsal (by the warp core ejection hatch)
One on the underside of each nacelle pylon
One on the top side of each nacell pylon

Aft photon launchers (4, one pair above shuttle bay at rear of ship, second pair by ventral hull intercut (by tractor beam emitter)
Forward photon launchers (4, one pair at engineering root of interconnecting hull (between saucer and engineering sections, one pair underneath deflector dish- both pairs facing forward)

This makes for

13 phasers
4 forward Photon launchers and 2 Quantum launchers (in torpedo pod)
4 aft Photon launchers

This doesnt sound over the top to me- if a ship is covered with phaser strips, it doesnt look that elegant

Rat_Boy · « **Reply #65 on:** April 23, 2004, 08:12:28 pm »

So, in simple terms, is the Titan supposed to be more or less powerful than the Sovereign? Once that question is answered, then you can go from there. I suggest, for gameplay purposes, using the loadout Nanner gave the Sov for GaW, since that's fairly close to cannon, and I have the funny feeling that the Titan may be in a future build.

By the way, might I suggest for names of future ships of the class that you use the names of the Greek Titans? Here's a list of them, although maybe naming one Uranus isn't such a good idea.

Azel · « **Reply #66 on:** April 23, 2004, 08:14:06 pm »

about the same as the Sovy or Galaxy refit

olbuzzard · « **Reply #67 on:** April 23, 2004, 11:28:29 pm »

LOL ... more than one way to get people to speak up ... and it worked !!!!!!!!!

WE will continue this tomorrow !!!! LOL

I still think my origonal idea was the best ... 14 to 16 Array with from 6 to 8 heavy torps. As for the Sovy in the last movie being over the top... I dissagree.... but the Scimitar... most definately. She was a preditor built for one purpose... not just war ... but a SPECFIC purpose.

I see the Titan as being either about the same size as the Sovy or perhaps slightly larger with improved weapons and technology as a result of the Dominion War. I use the example of the Defiant as a result of that type of application. Not so much as size and so forth ... as the attempt of the Federation to "adapt" to the demands of the times.

Please think on this theory and see what we can come up with.

Gentlemen ... the answer is right in front of us.. and it's not that hard to get to.

I'll be gone most of the day.. ssoooooo I'll see ya then guys !

ModelsPlease · « **Reply #68 on:** April 24, 2004, 04:00:39 am »

If Titans weapons are the SAME or Less THEN existing ships.What sets her a part other then the way she looks? I don't think the Sovie's weapons are over the top but the Scimitar's were totally. If Titan is the next step for the Feds,I think Ol'Buzzards last weapon spec proposal is fine. And her size is very reasonable as well. BTW has anyone stepped up to model her yet ? My $.02 is ask the lord of the undead, Wicked Zombie ,I like the work he did on the Sovereign,Integrity,and Cobra........ok I like all his stuff

Never hurts to ask
-MP

WickedZombie45 · « **Reply #69 on:** April 24, 2004, 11:40:52 am »

Just because a ship is named Titan doesn't mean it has to be the size of a starbase. The Galaxy and Sovereign could appear huge compared to most other vessels in the quadrant, so the Titan wouldn't have be much bigger. The Feds usually give ships names of historical importance or name their ships after astrological/geological locations. Titan could simply be named after Saturn's moon. Also, the idea that the ship was built to counter the Scimitar doesn't hold up since Riker was given command of it long before they ever knew about the Reman ubership. I doubt they're will be any more Scimitars, or at least enough to justify building a whole new class of ships to fight them one-on-one. Afterall, even with all those Borg cubes and D'deridex warbirds flying around, Starfleet still didn't up their size standards. The Feds favor fleet action over ship-to-ship standoffs, and have a quality over quantity/size mentality.

The weapons loadout doesn't have to be overblown either, just as long as it is within the realm of reason. A slight advantage over the Sov and Galaxy seems appropriate. The Titan could also have enhanced shields, armor, and sensor systems to further set her apart from the others. There's more to a starship than just weaponry afterall.

sandman69247 · « **Reply #70 on:** April 24, 2004, 01:30:47 pm »

Yeah, what he said...

Does this mean you're going to tackle this bad boy? Pretty please with undead dessert on top?

olbuzzard · « **Reply #71 on:** April 24, 2004, 08:23:15 pm »

Ok guys... WZ finally touched on just exactly what we wanted to hear ....

The name "Titan" historically does not implicate "huge" ... It does however carry with it the conotation that it is distinctly of a battle or " warrior" class. The Galaxy was definately for exploration .. though it has weapons that must be respected. The Soverign was designed for a different purpose ... And the "Titan" IMHO is designed as a result of the conflict in the Dominion wars.

"Titan" is one tough "Warrior" with the equipment on board to back it up. Historically the "Titans" were not neccessarily "huge or big " but they were definately known for being strong, tough, fighters.

At any rate .. I think the last specs should be ok..

I'll do a recap ... Been fishing all day and we need to put things away. (Oh BTW... second place with "Big Fish" .... We still have the touch !!)

NannerSlug · « **Reply #72 on:** April 24, 2004, 08:25:00 pm »

i agree with you 100% wz.

heres hoping that you might have taken the job of building her.

DarkScream · « **Reply #73 on:** April 24, 2004, 10:10:32 pm »

ok I dont know about the rest6 of you but I am getting goosebumps just thinking about the finished product lol I cant wait to see this thing

Ryker · « **Reply #74 on:** April 25, 2004, 08:46:25 am »

Please Wiz, you could turn this dream ship into a real mesh, one which would be celebrated and enjoyed across the world...!

BUMP- This beauty deserves to be on Page 1

ModelsPlease · « **Reply #75 on:** April 25, 2004, 04:33:57 pm »

Bumping and begging. Please please please model the Titan

olbuzzard · « **Reply #76 on:** April 25, 2004, 04:48:51 pm »

They may be waiting for a finaly analysis on the total phaser arrays ... I just sent Azel a PM on it.. I have a pretty good idea ... but I'm reviewing the sketches with him just to make certain that we are satisfied with the final count.

( at least I'm hoping that is all we are waiting on !! heheh !! )

Great bunch of guys though .. there are several that are quite good at this sort of thing and a few more who really do great textures as well. Someone will step up... all in good time. Have faith bud ... all in good time !

Spartan · « **Reply #77 on:** April 25, 2004, 07:04:02 pm »

Make her one hell of a battle cruiser and you've sold one to me

Sweet drawings so far bud.

Someday (when I get a repreave from work) maybe I'll come up w/ a Great Lakes class battle cruiser, always love the BCH's

I am looking forward to the model Buzz.

Ryker · « **Reply #78 on:** April 26, 2004, 05:13:44 am »

bump

nx_adam_1701 · « **Reply #80 on:** April 26, 2004, 01:47:47 pm »

Wow I didnt know that, sounds interesting, if you could please tell me the episode, i could watch it, thx for the info

adam out

nx_adam_1701 · « **Reply #81 on:** April 26, 2004, 01:50:26 pm »

I was just thinking that makes alot of sense because in the ending of the Dom Wars, Worf becamse Ambassador to Qo'Nos, the defiant was left behind to the station for defense purposes, but in First Contact, worf was commanding, therefore it had to be sometimes before the ending to the dom wars, the only thing i was wondering about was why we never saw a Sovereign in any of the battle scenes in Dom Wars DS9, but hey, i think your right

adam out

Kaenyne · « **Reply #82 on:** April 26, 2004, 01:54:33 pm »

I don't know about timelines, but as far as the absence of the Sovereign Class, it was decided by Rick Berman that the class was to be reserved to the feature films in order to keep it "special", i.e. a "movie star" of sorts.

strider74205 · « **Reply #83 on:** April 26, 2004, 02:36:11 pm »

You could look at the uniforms. The DS9 crew didn't get the new uniforms till the episode "Begotten" (can't spell). This was i think a month or two after first contact came out because I remember wondering when they would get the new uniforms. So i figure (and i have nothing but logical reasoning to prove this) that First Contact happened before the war started, but after that episode. Pretty much because of the unifrom thing it had to have happened after Begotten and I doubt Starfleet could have spared that many ships to fight a cube and still win the war while it was going on.

Also if the enterprise had "been in space for nearly a year" then it had to have been more than a year since Generations since Starfleet wouldn't want to be without its flagship for too long. Depending on how much time passes between the destruction of the enterprise D and Worf going to DS9 (since they hadn't built the new one yet) you can pretty much figure First Contact happened a more than a year after "Way of the Warrior." So I'm thinking about a year and a half between the destruction of the Enterprise D and First Contact, which would place it somewhere in the latter half of DS9's 5th season.

Feel free to punch holes in this theory of course cause it is just a theory.

Ryker · « **Reply #84 on:** April 26, 2004, 05:06:26 pm »

A quote, just before the Dominion comes through the Wormhole ("In Purgatory's Shadow"), Kira asks Sisko at a staff meeting why Starfleet cant reinforce their position against any fleet that might come through, Sisko replies:

"Between the Klingon War and the recent Borg attack, Starfleet's stretched pretty thin".

This happened in late 2373- middle-late 5th season of Deep Space 9, which also matches the First Contact stardate (50893.5, around October-November 2373), but before the start of the Dominion War (in A Call to Arms- at the end of 2373).

Bump for Titan news!

Core · « **Reply #86 on:** April 27, 2004, 04:37:52 am »

no it wasnt it was after the generations mision
check the star dates

ModelsPlease · « **Reply #88 on:** April 28, 2004, 07:19:33 am »

More bumping and begging,pleading and some gatuitous groveling for a modeller. PLEASE. On another note does anyone wanna tackle a beggin' Graemlin for the forum ?

For now here's begging for a modeller !

olbuzzard · « **Reply #89 on:** April 28, 2004, 09:53:24 pm »

one last request on this one ... We really could use a modeler .. TNG specialist .... maybe someone who has done a Sovy ?? or simllar ships ... (any one who is feeling guilty about now ...

)

Reverend · « **Reply #90 on:** April 29, 2004, 12:04:25 am »

uh, me too

BEG BEG?

Ryker · « **Reply #91 on:** April 29, 2004, 04:43:01 am »

Add me to that list....!

Ryker · « **Reply #92 on:** May 04, 2004, 10:46:05 pm »

Bump, for reference purposes

Reverend · « **Reply #93 on:** May 04, 2004, 11:04:48 pm »

thanks to Sandman!!!

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