Topic: New computer assembly with old hard drives (Read 18791 times)

E_Look · « **Reply #40 on:** April 29, 2004, 11:01:46 am »

Well, gentlemen, that's what I had to resort to. The only problem is that on my other system, I seem to have a ground fault or something with the front side USB ports. The system sometimes shuts down, hangs, or reboots if I even touch the metal near the port with a USB connector. Otherwise, I think I'd forget about the Zips these days. I hear you all on this one.

Javora · « **Reply #41 on:** April 30, 2004, 05:35:53 pm »

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Well, gentlemen, that's what I had to resort to. The only problem is that on my other system, I seem to have a ground fault or something with the front side USB ports. The system sometimes shuts down, hangs, or reboots if I even touch the metal near the port with a USB connector. Otherwise, I think I'd forget about the Zips these days. I hear you all on this one.

Make sure those USB connector wires are installed on the right pins. Crossing wires can fry your motherboard as well as anything that you have connected to the USB port. I would check even if it is a name brand (HP, Dell, etc.), those machines are put together so fast that problems can (and do) occur.

If your not sure, this web site details how the wires should be connected. Hope this helps.

E_Look · « **Reply #42 on:** April 30, 2004, 08:41:15 pm »

The problem is, El Klutzo here put the computer together. Hey, how come they don't file the edges down on all those sheetmetal pieces??!!

I'm going to check your link right now.

E_Look · « **Reply #43 on:** May 01, 2004, 03:08:15 am »

Okay, Javora,

I checked my (individual) front USB port pins and connectors and they were all correctly connected. You know what the problem I think turned out to be? Bad case design- the connectors by the actual front of case USB ports are so close to the metal housing for the ports that the little square openings on the connector that the pins go through might cause shorting, I guess especially if one of the pins is for power. I put a strip of electrical tape on the metal housing by the connector and so far, except for the very first time I tried it, seems to work. That time, it crashed the system, but upon rebooting, this seems to have gone away!

Did my first "case mod" ever- drilled a few holes on the side panel and added an extra fan. Boy, if you're not careful, drilling with the hole cutter mandrel on a loose piece of sheetmetal could either cause the drill to slip and cut your fingers off or cause the sheetmetal to go flying and cut your head off! I should have clamped it down, but I feared scratching the nice paint job, which I did anyway, so, safety first next time! (I actually then held it down on a piece of wood with my knee, which caused a couple of shallow dents that could be seen if viewed a certain angles, but not too bad.

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Capt. Mike · « **Reply #44 on:** May 01, 2004, 06:41:22 am »

There are these things called quik grips, nice rubber jaws, easy on and off. I use them at work to clmp things to the bench. they come in multiple sizes, and well worth the investment.

Glad you got everything going. How's the kid like the new machine?

Mike

E_Look · « **Reply #46 on:** May 02, 2004, 11:53:32 pm »

Heck, I used to use heatshrink tubes all the time. But, and I'm positive you must have seen this before, the leads from the front side USB ports go into this black plastic connector and in there soldered or crimped to their various separate pins. The problem is, there is a tiny square hole in that plastic connector block right in front of the crimped part and some of the pin/lead combinations are just loose enough inside the block that they seem to wiggle a bit if the wire is jiggled a bit. I suspect some of these might "lean" a bit out that little square "window" close enough to the metal USB port housing that there might be some small arcing across to each other. There is NO way to get heatshrink over those areas, even if I pulled out the wire/pin combination, for if I then put the heatshrink over those portions, they might not fit back into the plastic connector block.

Ah, what's one piece of e-tape in a place I'm never going (hopefully) to look at again?!

And as to the case maker- it's Codegen and they don't even make this particular model anymore. I don't think they're the best cases at all; in fact the first thing I did to it was to swap out it's included power supply for a really good one (Antec Truepower 430 W supply), so I don't think highly of any of their stuff. But, I got it as a gift and that does beat having to pay another $25-100 USD for one (personally, I'd stick to the lower end of that price spectrum, later with the looks and pizazz and all that). Oh, that and that the finish is this cool metalflake medium gray (yeah, I've got unhip tastes), so I stayed with it.

E_Look · « **Reply #47 on:** May 05, 2004, 12:51:41 pm »

Capt. Mike-

He LOVES it! He loves the color of the case and lights, the fact that there ARE lights at all (two green LED fans, two red LEDs on the mobo [whatever for, I have no idea], and the two standard LEDs on the front panel, green for power and red for the HD activity.

And, it runs Age of Mythology, Age of Empires, and of course StarCraft. I haven't let him install StarLancer or any of the SFC on it yet... there's enough there to distract him from studying. Maybe this weekend.

It runs fairly cool... I gave him a better case than I've got, so air flow for him is essentially a non-issue. SFC1 will definitely be an issue though, but he likes SFC3 (horrors!) over the other three (though he likes OP, too), probably because it's TNG. He's of the generation that thinks the Captain of the Enterprise is a bald Frenchman.

Oh, of course, there's a cloud around every silver lining- I've got to hunt for the patches and upgrades to the Age of Microsoft games. I don't play 'em myself, so I'm not exactly up on what's out there for them. Age of Mythology and Age of Empires displays halting or "stop-and-go" motion for ground units, even birds in the air and fish in the sea. It CAN'T be CPU or vid card; he's got an Athlon XP 2500+ Barton core and a Connect3D Radeon 9500 in there. I'm thinking that it must be that these games need some kind of patch or something from Bill Gates. When he installed A O Myth on my rig, since I have Internet and he doesn't, I think it got automatically updated; on his standalone machine, I guess the software detected that and didn't even bother to display some message telling me I should look for upgrades.

Thanks for asking!

Javora · « **Reply #48 on:** May 05, 2004, 05:15:30 pm »

Age of Mythology and Age of Empires II. Since you didn't specify here is the Age of Empires patch. Hope this helps.

E_Look · « **Reply #49 on:** May 06, 2004, 12:58:39 am »

Javora, thanks. I found those sites earlier tonight via MetaCrawler.

It turns out that these updates for the games made little or no difference!

Rather, it was the driver update (the new Catalyst 4.4 drivers, as someone posted on our forums) for the ATI card that did the trick! And the kid was beginning to suspect that Ol' Pops stuck him with a slow CPU.

BIG EDIT:

And it turns out too that this new updated ATI Radeon driver suite, Catalyst 4.4, almost (say, about 90-95%) fixed the haltingness and herky-jerkiness of SFC1 in WinXP!!!

I tested SFC1 under NO compatibility mode applied, in Win 98 mode, and Win 2000 mode and it's almost like new with no compatibility mode used!! Amazing.

E_Look · « **Reply #50 on:** April 07, 2004, 02:23:13 pm »

Knowledgeable Ladies and Gentlemen of Taldrenland,

I am building a computer for my kid, but I want to use the old hard drives from his old system. There are two, an old WD 15 Gb HD, and a newer Maxtor 40 Gb HD.

I'm not sure if I'm going to use both or just the 40 Gb one.

Is there anything I should know about using an old one instead of new one or should I just bite the bullet and get a new one (as I do understand how to do that!)?

Khalee · « **Reply #51 on:** April 07, 2004, 02:26:07 pm »

If it still works properly and is compatable with the system then no, should not be aby problems, Im useing a old one on my new computer I got last year and it's working just fine.

E_Look · « **Reply #52 on:** April 07, 2004, 04:56:37 pm »

Thanks, but are there any installation issues with WinXP and an old hard drive with stuff on it I don't want to erase?

Barabbas · « **Reply #56 on:** April 08, 2004, 04:03:51 pm »

The 15Gb and 40Gb drives aren't all that old, and if you've had no problems with them, just plug 'em into the new system and start the install from the XP CD.

Check the label on each drive and make sure you have them set properly. You new system probably has two HDD controllers, a primary and a secondary. Each controller can support a master and a slave drive. Your 40 should be the master, since it's probably faster and so you'd want that to be the WinXP system drive. Make that one a Master. The 15Gb drive could then be a Slave on the primary channel, or a Master on the secondary. Then your CD drive would either be Master or Slave on the Secondary, depending on what you choose for the 15Gb drive.

Does any of that make sense?

E_Look · « **Reply #57 on:** April 08, 2004, 08:25:17 pm »

Everyone, thanks for your answers so far.

Javora, the two drives actually are still in a system running Win 98. Can I just plug them in then, or do I still have to copy their data and then zero out before installing?

And Barabbas, that makes total sense... and I was considering the reverse, putting the OS and some executables on the 15 Gb and saving the 40 for stuffing data and image files, but I totally forgot that the newer one, the 40, must be faster!

Sethan · « **Reply #58 on:** April 08, 2004, 08:39:29 pm »

I second what Javora and Barabbas said.

A default install of XP can easily wipe the drive you are installing it on, if you are not familiar with such installs and / or careful - that is why I suggested copying all the data to the other drive first.

Barabbas is correct about making the 40GB the master - but I would put the 15GB on the secondary IDE channel (with the CD drive as the slave). If the two hard drives are on the same IDE channel and the data transfer rate of the two hard drives is different, the machine will transfer data at the slower rate of the two - even from the faster drive.

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