Topic: spike tv ds9 marathon, ratings and enterprise (Read 2301 times)

NannerSlug · « **on:** April 06, 2004, 03:08:16 pm »

it feels sooo good to be watching good trek again.. the depth of the plot line, the character a and b lines.

i wonder what type of ratings spike tv gets from tng and ds9, and what they are in comparison to enterprise.

Lieutenant_Q · « **Reply #1 on:** April 06, 2004, 05:08:30 pm »

Never thought of that. The critics that say that Star Trek is losing its popularity because of Enterprise's lackluster ratings. I wonder if those same critics look at the ratings of DS9 and TNG on Spike and can do the math? I don't hold out any hope that Berman and Braga can.

Pestalence · « **Reply #2 on:** April 06, 2004, 06:57:19 pm »

Well if they went back to Roddenberry style of Trek instead of writing their own history of Trek through Enterprise, then maybe it would pull back the fan base.. but until they go back and revise Enterprise to meet canon in the early TOS episodes like "The Cage" / "The managerie" and the rest of the TOS series where everything like Phasers and Warp 5+ ships were brand new.. then set canon off of that and revamp Enterprise to fit set canon from all the other Trek series then maybe the Fan Base will return.. Starting with removing that Akira class vessel and putting in the historically correct Deadelous class ship as seen in the disp[lay case of TNG and First Contact... then remove Phase Pistols and rename them Lasers to fit TOS "The Cage" canon precident.. then maybe i will start watching....

what B&B did really butchered what Roddenberry tried to create in TOS and TNG, which both those series had the highest ratings of all Treks created.. after Roddenberry died and B&B took over.. trek has steadily gone downhill.. they need William Shatner or Leonard Nemoy to take over the entire Trek franchise as far as show concepts and episode creativity and depth goes...

But what do i know.. I've only seen every Trek ever created up until Enterprise 2nd episode showed.. However i have seen every episode of TOS, TNG, Voyager (sucked during last season), and DS9.. TOS is still my favorite.. best comraderie of any Trek created.. then TNG is my 2nd fav.. then DS9, then Voyager... after ahich the Trek franchise ended as Enterprise breaks canon so much that is has to be based on the mirror universe rather than the main Trek timeline...

I mean they even butchered the time to travel to the Klingon Homeworld.. It took them in TOS 3 times longer at a higher warp velocity to get there than it did Archer in a supposedly more primitive ship.. how's that for breaking canon...

anyhow enough for my rant...

Bring back Kirk.... I have several ideas myself.. like the regeneration of the aging process that Mccoy did and / or what they did for Polaski... only have them genetically changed as far as looks go.. with all the cast still living with exception of DeForest kelly, it should be quite easy to do...

NannerSlug · « **Reply #3 on:** April 06, 2004, 08:42:47 pm »

good point pesty. i agree.

like wise. i saw a promotion on spike during the marathon that said they were the star trek hq... not scifi channell, not UPN, Spike... interesting. like i said, i would love to see the ratings.

FFZ · « **Reply #4 on:** April 06, 2004, 09:03:16 pm »

Kirk, Spock and McCoy are heros of the old school, the very foundation of adventure/drama.

In the three, ToS was able to play accross a wide emotional and intelectual spectrum, and touch something that fans still feel 4 decades later.

Watch those old episodes, and you really do feel space is vast, and new things can always be found, yet no matter the challenge, the three will find a way to overcome the problem, through ledership, logic and common sense, the three qualities of Kirk, Spock and McCoy.

This is the missing element, TNG and DS 9 both tapped into the hero base, you really carred about Data and Worf and O'Brian and Sisko and all the other characters.

I never felt that for Voyager, I didn't care about them, and I don't really about Enterprise, and to me, that is the problem.

RingWraith 413 · « **Reply #5 on:** April 07, 2004, 02:03:51 am »

I felt something for 7 of 9 !!!!!! Woo-Hoo

Wraith 413

Age · « **Reply #6 on:** April 07, 2004, 02:43:22 am »

You Forgot about photon torpedoes maybe you didn't watch that season yes they do have photon torps on NX01.I agree and said that that ship looks like an inverted look of the Akira starship.This series should be like heading out to sea 2000.00BC or so maybe longer or the first flight over seas all lone very scary when you think about it.When seafares went to sea they stayed within an eye distance to land until better navigational aids came along.

nx_adam_1701 · « **Reply #7 on:** April 07, 2004, 11:59:52 am »

I dont mind watching it, I think its pretty neat, different but kool, remember when DS9 came out, its first season was airing the same time TNG's season 6 was out, maybe theyll make another season for trek, if ENT doesnt go well

adam out

PS VOY also came out during DS9 as well, wierd none finshed before the other came out

Age · « **Reply #8 on:** April 07, 2004, 01:09:58 pm »

Yes It would be nice to see it stay on the air maybe they can make into a mirror universe and go back to the first season and start over agian and stay with those to seek out new like to go where no one(PC) has gone before and make the tech. more similiar no photons or phasers and no transporting people and rework those shuttle pods.I have a friend who is a die hard Trek fan and she is into this show and if I told her that I wanted to see this show die she wouldn't like that but there needs to be some major changes and get W. Shatner and L.Nimoy to replace B&B and let them be in charge of the Trek franchise aswell as Majel Roddenberry.Good riddens B&B.I never like Rick Bermon that much after he decided to kill of my favourite Captian yes it him who killed of Kirk.

nx_adam_1701 · « **Reply #9 on:** April 07, 2004, 01:40:50 pm »

He killed of Kirk, I had no idea, what an ass&^%$, H should be excuted lol

adam out

Lepton1 · « **Reply #10 on:** April 07, 2004, 08:19:03 pm »

Pest,

Get over it. It is an alternate time line. That's it. No biggy. There is absolutely no relationship between the downfall of trek and Enterprise and it (Enterprise) cannot be blamed for trek's state. As I have said elsewhere, trek started to suck when it tried to be all things to all people: A show for men, women, kids, etc. Enterprise is a show for adults much as TOS was, despite the many children who did watch it like me.

And that whole TOS triad of main characters is not a duplicatable thing nor does it need to be duplicated. That is only one way to do a show and it is perhaps the most banal, the buddy show or movie. Things in life are a bit more complicated than some chummy exchange of quips like a good deal of the beloved TOS. Enterprise is a mature show with a mature and modern sensibility and in that fashion it is certainly better than many trek series of late. I mean, I have been watching those DS9 reruns and some of those episodes are just so awful and stiff and poorly paced. Enterprise is much more polished and cinematic in its scale while DS9 can feel so closed, claustrophobic, and just TV, TV. Enterprise is like a little movie each week and it looks that way.

I would say that Enterprise is more Roddenberry than DS9 and Voyager or even TNG to some extent and it certainly shares more with TOS than any other trek show. Enterprise tries to deal with complex moral issues on the scale of nations and planets much like a number of Roddenberry's more preachy episodes.

There are a lot of things to recommend Enterprise and it is certainly a show worth watching.

nx_adam_1701 · « **Reply #11 on:** April 07, 2004, 09:13:20 pm »

hey i said I liked the show, i watch it all the time, i never complained, all i said was that i didnt noe bb killed kirk off, but i do agree the show is for a mature audience, even though i started watching trek at an early age,

adam out

Magnum357 · « **Reply #12 on:** April 07, 2004, 11:15:14 pm »

I agree with Lepton on many points here. I think of Enterprise as a very different timeline (but I wish they wouldn't have used an upside down Akira for the Enterprise, YUK!) where their are some similarities in this timeline as Genes Trek is but also has some differences. And we already know that this universe is different because the Expanse is not in Genes Trek nor is the Xindi (at least as far as I know). Enterprise gives us a whole new outlook on trek with this Timeline.

And I do agree with Lepton that we should not try too make Enterprise a carbon copy of TOS trek or the other shows. Its still art in a way. If their was another spinoff of the Babylon 5 series, should it be exactly the same thing as the Original series? But I do agree with others that even though Enterprise could very well be a different timeline. some consitancy should count. Getting too Kronos in a matter of a day in the first episode of Enterprise is still an eyesore for this new show. If B&B are still in charge of Trek in the future, they need too realize this even with their unique creation.

Novae · « **Reply #13 on:** April 08, 2004, 04:26:17 am »

Although I sort of lost faith after the first season or 2 of DS9, after watching the reruns on spike, it has totally rekindled my interest. IIRC, season 6 peaks the series with the dominion war string, though soon after that retard vegas prick starts to get his own episodes. whoever was behind that was totally pushing their pet interest on an audience that couldnt give a rats turd. but i digress. DS9 rocks, secondary acting is second to none (especially garak and gul dukat), storyline is awesome, special effects rock (though voyager may surpass), and the action scenes rule. im hooked.

NannerSlug · « **Reply #14 on:** April 06, 2004, 03:08:16 pm »

it feels sooo good to be watching good trek again.. the depth of the plot line, the character a and b lines.

i wonder what type of ratings spike tv gets from tng and ds9, and what they are in comparison to enterprise.

Lieutenant_Q · « **Reply #15 on:** April 06, 2004, 05:08:30 pm »

Never thought of that. The critics that say that Star Trek is losing its popularity because of Enterprise's lackluster ratings. I wonder if those same critics look at the ratings of DS9 and TNG on Spike and can do the math? I don't hold out any hope that Berman and Braga can.

Pestalence · « **Reply #16 on:** April 06, 2004, 06:57:19 pm »

Well if they went back to Roddenberry style of Trek instead of writing their own history of Trek through Enterprise, then maybe it would pull back the fan base.. but until they go back and revise Enterprise to meet canon in the early TOS episodes like "The Cage" / "The managerie" and the rest of the TOS series where everything like Phasers and Warp 5+ ships were brand new.. then set canon off of that and revamp Enterprise to fit set canon from all the other Trek series then maybe the Fan Base will return.. Starting with removing that Akira class vessel and putting in the historically correct Deadelous class ship as seen in the disp[lay case of TNG and First Contact... then remove Phase Pistols and rename them Lasers to fit TOS "The Cage" canon precident.. then maybe i will start watching....

what B&B did really butchered what Roddenberry tried to create in TOS and TNG, which both those series had the highest ratings of all Treks created.. after Roddenberry died and B&B took over.. trek has steadily gone downhill.. they need William Shatner or Leonard Nemoy to take over the entire Trek franchise as far as show concepts and episode creativity and depth goes...

But what do i know.. I've only seen every Trek ever created up until Enterprise 2nd episode showed.. However i have seen every episode of TOS, TNG, Voyager (sucked during last season), and DS9.. TOS is still my favorite.. best comraderie of any Trek created.. then TNG is my 2nd fav.. then DS9, then Voyager... after ahich the Trek franchise ended as Enterprise breaks canon so much that is has to be based on the mirror universe rather than the main Trek timeline...

I mean they even butchered the time to travel to the Klingon Homeworld.. It took them in TOS 3 times longer at a higher warp velocity to get there than it did Archer in a supposedly more primitive ship.. how's that for breaking canon...

anyhow enough for my rant...

Bring back Kirk.... I have several ideas myself.. like the regeneration of the aging process that Mccoy did and / or what they did for Polaski... only have them genetically changed as far as looks go.. with all the cast still living with exception of DeForest kelly, it should be quite easy to do...

NannerSlug · « **Reply #17 on:** April 06, 2004, 08:42:47 pm »

good point pesty. i agree.

like wise. i saw a promotion on spike during the marathon that said they were the star trek hq... not scifi channell, not UPN, Spike... interesting. like i said, i would love to see the ratings.

FFZ · « **Reply #18 on:** April 06, 2004, 09:03:16 pm »

Kirk, Spock and McCoy are heros of the old school, the very foundation of adventure/drama.

In the three, ToS was able to play accross a wide emotional and intelectual spectrum, and touch something that fans still feel 4 decades later.

Watch those old episodes, and you really do feel space is vast, and new things can always be found, yet no matter the challenge, the three will find a way to overcome the problem, through ledership, logic and common sense, the three qualities of Kirk, Spock and McCoy.

This is the missing element, TNG and DS 9 both tapped into the hero base, you really carred about Data and Worf and O'Brian and Sisko and all the other characters.

I never felt that for Voyager, I didn't care about them, and I don't really about Enterprise, and to me, that is the problem.

RingWraith 413 · « **Reply #19 on:** April 07, 2004, 02:03:51 am »

I felt something for 7 of 9 !!!!!! Woo-Hoo

Wraith 413

Age · « **Reply #20 on:** April 07, 2004, 02:43:22 am »

You Forgot about photon torpedoes maybe you didn't watch that season yes they do have photon torps on NX01.I agree and said that that ship looks like an inverted look of the Akira starship.This series should be like heading out to sea 2000.00BC or so maybe longer or the first flight over seas all lone very scary when you think about it.When seafares went to sea they stayed within an eye distance to land until better navigational aids came along.

nx_adam_1701 · « **Reply #21 on:** April 07, 2004, 11:59:52 am »

I dont mind watching it, I think its pretty neat, different but kool, remember when DS9 came out, its first season was airing the same time TNG's season 6 was out, maybe theyll make another season for trek, if ENT doesnt go well

adam out

PS VOY also came out during DS9 as well, wierd none finshed before the other came out

Age · « **Reply #22 on:** April 07, 2004, 01:09:58 pm »

Yes It would be nice to see it stay on the air maybe they can make into a mirror universe and go back to the first season and start over agian and stay with those to seek out new like to go where no one(PC) has gone before and make the tech. more similiar no photons or phasers and no transporting people and rework those shuttle pods.I have a friend who is a die hard Trek fan and she is into this show and if I told her that I wanted to see this show die she wouldn't like that but there needs to be some major changes and get W. Shatner and L.Nimoy to replace B&B and let them be in charge of the Trek franchise aswell as Majel Roddenberry.Good riddens B&B.I never like Rick Bermon that much after he decided to kill of my favourite Captian yes it him who killed of Kirk.

nx_adam_1701 · « **Reply #23 on:** April 07, 2004, 01:40:50 pm »

He killed of Kirk, I had no idea, what an ass&^%$, H should be excuted lol

adam out

Lepton1 · « **Reply #24 on:** April 07, 2004, 08:19:03 pm »

Pest,

Get over it. It is an alternate time line. That's it. No biggy. There is absolutely no relationship between the downfall of trek and Enterprise and it (Enterprise) cannot be blamed for trek's state. As I have said elsewhere, trek started to suck when it tried to be all things to all people: A show for men, women, kids, etc. Enterprise is a show for adults much as TOS was, despite the many children who did watch it like me.

And that whole TOS triad of main characters is not a duplicatable thing nor does it need to be duplicated. That is only one way to do a show and it is perhaps the most banal, the buddy show or movie. Things in life are a bit more complicated than some chummy exchange of quips like a good deal of the beloved TOS. Enterprise is a mature show with a mature and modern sensibility and in that fashion it is certainly better than many trek series of late. I mean, I have been watching those DS9 reruns and some of those episodes are just so awful and stiff and poorly paced. Enterprise is much more polished and cinematic in its scale while DS9 can feel so closed, claustrophobic, and just TV, TV. Enterprise is like a little movie each week and it looks that way.

I would say that Enterprise is more Roddenberry than DS9 and Voyager or even TNG to some extent and it certainly shares more with TOS than any other trek show. Enterprise tries to deal with complex moral issues on the scale of nations and planets much like a number of Roddenberry's more preachy episodes.

There are a lot of things to recommend Enterprise and it is certainly a show worth watching.

nx_adam_1701 · « **Reply #25 on:** April 07, 2004, 09:13:20 pm »

hey i said I liked the show, i watch it all the time, i never complained, all i said was that i didnt noe bb killed kirk off, but i do agree the show is for a mature audience, even though i started watching trek at an early age,

adam out

Magnum357 · « **Reply #26 on:** April 07, 2004, 11:15:14 pm »

I agree with Lepton on many points here. I think of Enterprise as a very different timeline (but I wish they wouldn't have used an upside down Akira for the Enterprise, YUK!) where their are some similarities in this timeline as Genes Trek is but also has some differences. And we already know that this universe is different because the Expanse is not in Genes Trek nor is the Xindi (at least as far as I know). Enterprise gives us a whole new outlook on trek with this Timeline.

And I do agree with Lepton that we should not try too make Enterprise a carbon copy of TOS trek or the other shows. Its still art in a way. If their was another spinoff of the Babylon 5 series, should it be exactly the same thing as the Original series? But I do agree with others that even though Enterprise could very well be a different timeline. some consitancy should count. Getting too Kronos in a matter of a day in the first episode of Enterprise is still an eyesore for this new show. If B&B are still in charge of Trek in the future, they need too realize this even with their unique creation.

Novae · « **Reply #27 on:** April 08, 2004, 04:26:17 am »

Although I sort of lost faith after the first season or 2 of DS9, after watching the reruns on spike, it has totally rekindled my interest. IIRC, season 6 peaks the series with the dominion war string, though soon after that retard vegas prick starts to get his own episodes. whoever was behind that was totally pushing their pet interest on an audience that couldnt give a rats turd. but i digress. DS9 rocks, secondary acting is second to none (especially garak and gul dukat), storyline is awesome, special effects rock (though voyager may surpass), and the action scenes rule. im hooked.

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