Topic: Been Kinda wondering why the Romulans have never been a major player in star tre (Read 7457 times)

Khalee · « **on:** April 02, 2004, 06:40:23 pm »

Considering how most every ones wants them to have more roles they seemed to have been kept as filler matrial. Is there maybe some leagle reson for them never being devolped as much as the others have. Kinda like the perhaps the Kizinti.

Praxis · « **Reply #1 on:** April 02, 2004, 07:33:25 pm »

They were around a whole lot in DS9...

Khalee · « **Reply #2 on:** April 02, 2004, 07:45:04 pm »

But not like the Cardasians the Borg the Dominion, It seems to have allways been some one else. look at the new Enterprise we got one episode about them most everything else has been about the stupid time war. its like they are dilibertly ingoring what the fans want, and its more Romulans.

MarianoDT · « **Reply #3 on:** April 02, 2004, 08:06:17 pm »

So why Nemesis was so unpopular? Maybe this is why we don´t see them in ENT.
Personally, I love the movie, and I was surprised when I knew about its performance in theaters.

I´d like to see more romulans too.

InragedSith · « **Reply #4 on:** April 02, 2004, 08:18:10 pm »

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So why Nemesis was so unpopular?

The plot

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Maybe this is why we don´t see them in ENT.

Braga said that they won't do the Romulans in ENT because it wouldn't be interesting since we couldn't see the Romulans

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Personally, I love the movie,

I'm sure "Insurrection" and "The Final Frontier" are also among your favorites

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and I was surprised when I knew about its performance in theaters.

I wasn't with 6 months advanced warning thanks to a leaked script

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I´d like to see more romulans too.

I'd also like to see the Romulans It's a shame that the last noteworthy appearances of the Romulans were "Unification" and that DS9 episode with the latin title

Ravok · « **Reply #6 on:** April 02, 2004, 09:47:05 pm »

Good point.

EmeraldEdge · « **Reply #7 on:** April 02, 2004, 10:05:23 pm »

Apparently they were interesting enough for one episode without seeing them, or do they lack the creativity to figure out a few more ways of doing it.

In the original series, I believe the Romulans were intended to be the big bad guys, instead of the Klingons, but there were budget constraints that didn't allow that to happen.

As for the Romulans now... ugh! I couldn't even make myself watch the last movie, the Romulans have been so badly bastardized.

Ravok · « **Reply #8 on:** April 02, 2004, 10:28:36 pm »

Gagh! So i guess the Earth Romulan war isn't going to happen?

It would be a whole lot more interesting than the lust in space curd Ive had to sit through

Capt_Spade · « **Reply #11 on:** April 02, 2004, 11:35:06 pm »

I tend to agree as well. They seem to be ignoring the formula to what made the other Star Trek shows flourish. I say give the people what they want! I know these people have a vision, or whatever they want to call it, but without giving the public what they want the Star Trek franchise will wither and die. I personally do not want that to happen as I have been a loyal Star Trek fan since I was about 7 years old. More Romulans, the Earth Romulan War, bring Kirk back, ect. find a way to at least meet the public halfway with what they want! Well that?s what I say anyway. I?m out!

Ravok · « **Reply #13 on:** April 03, 2004, 12:53:00 am »

Has this guy been watching the same Show we have? or is he just overcome with delusions of grandeur.
And what is up with Majahel Roddenberry ( hope I'm spelling her name right) Doesn't she have any say in the slop job this guy's been doing? Or doesn't she care?
It really is a shame to see such a beautiful vision trampled on and run through the dirt.

FFZ · « **Reply #15 on:** April 03, 2004, 09:48:19 am »

Braga is full of crap, you could easily show the Romulans, AS LONG AS THE STARFLEETERS DON'T SEE OR TALK TO THEM.

In 'Balance of Terror,' Kirk and company only see them because of a transmission, and they don't interact verbally at all till the end. This could be easily handled by any GOOD scriptwriter, so it's no surprise B&B can't handle it.

To them, a good script involves caves, flashlights, destroying a piece of ToS lore, and finding a way for T'Pol to get naked.

Ravok · « **Reply #16 on:** April 03, 2004, 10:08:20 am »

You pretty much sumed up the first 2 seasons.

Khalee · « **Reply #17 on:** April 03, 2004, 10:23:26 am »

Well in balance of terror they said you never saw a Romulan anyway in that war as they refused to alow it and they self destructed to advoid capture too.

And in the enterprise episode where they had the Tholians you never saw them and it was a pretty good one. and you never saw the romulans in the one enterprise show either, and it was a godd one so it can be done.

sandman69247 · « **Reply #18 on:** April 03, 2004, 11:28:35 am »

Hey, I know, let's set up an online petition to send to Paramount asking for the replacement og B&B...hell, there are any number of people here and in other fansites that could fill their jobs, and do it 1000% better. I don't even watch ENT anymore, because every episode they destroy one more thing. As a scifi show, it's ok, but as a Trek show, they've blown it. The mistake that was made, and it should be obvious, is not having a true ST fan running the show. If they did that, we would be fine, but instead the have an egomaniac in charge who thinks his vision is better than Gene's. Oh well, I guess we'll just have to live with it for now...maybe they'll get their act together, but I'm not holding my breath.

FFZ · « **Reply #19 on:** April 03, 2004, 11:35:44 am »

I would be for an on-line petition, Bakula actually asked for something like this, to be sent to Les Moonves, who will decide 'Enterprise's fate.

FFZ · « **Reply #20 on:** April 03, 2004, 11:56:12 am »

Efforts to save Enterprise are now underway, but Berman has given up:

http://www.trektoday.com/news/030404_01.shtml

FFZ · « **Reply #22 on:** April 03, 2004, 01:27:45 pm »

That quote definately has 'white flag' written all over it, but this is more telling of why Enterprise had problems.
http://www.trektoday.com/news/020404_01.shtml
When the DS 9 guy told them they had problems, B&B ignored him!

Ravok · « **Reply #23 on:** April 03, 2004, 01:40:26 pm »

Sounds good to me how do we get it started?

Ravok · « **Reply #25 on:** April 03, 2004, 10:14:13 pm »

I don't get it either? What did Gene leave it in his will or some thing?

Lieutenant_Q · « **Reply #27 on:** April 03, 2004, 11:21:12 pm »

You be confusing him with the guy who really is in charge of Trek. This is just a person who does ratings, for all the major networks.

Rick Berman though...really needs the axe, if they bring in the writing staff of DS9, Enterprise could be turned around in a heartbeat.

EmeraldEdge · « **Reply #28 on:** April 03, 2004, 11:49:58 pm »

There's probably a whole lot of folks that could turn Trek around, but it's obviously not B&B, they've had several chances now, and all we get is the same old drek (which in many ways is getting worse with age). It's really unfortunate because I think this is actually one of the better casts of Trek, but they'll go down as the crew that sunk the ship unless something is done pretty fast.

Ravok · « **Reply #29 on:** April 04, 2004, 12:06:00 am »

I'm going to have to agree i also think it is shaping up to be a good crew as well. (Even tho they don't have any Klingon's serving.)

FFZ · « **Reply #30 on:** April 04, 2004, 11:56:33 am »

Berman has been around Trek since the TNG days, serving in the executive producer role on DS9, and taking over Voyager and Enterprise completely.

Since he was involved with two sucessful projects about Trek, he was expected to keep it up.

As I recall, he used to make excuses about Voyager's rotten ratings, claiming the system was flawed that did ratings, and saying that TNG and DS9 were syndicated, so theyt had a different system.

The truth is, since UPN took over the future of Trek, it has been all downhill.

IKV Nemesis D7L · « **Reply #31 on:** April 04, 2004, 12:45:31 pm »

Rick Berman:
The Big Blue Marble childrens show. Producer.

Brannon Braga:

Braga produced music videos before joining TNG's writing staff in season 4

Chlidrens TV and music videos? How does that qualify them to produce a major SciFi TV series?

FFZ · « **Reply #32 on:** April 04, 2004, 01:31:56 pm »

I don't understand it either. By year four, TNG was red hot script wise, before it started to slip again in the fifth year. IMO, years 3-4 were the best 2 years TNG ever had, they included all the Worf discomendation stuff, the epic two-parter vs the Borg and its aftermath, a really cool episode with Enterprise 'C" ect.

By year five, the show seemed to slip into a preachy, annoying mode, while still doing some fantastic stories.

Age · « **Reply #33 on:** April 04, 2004, 02:37:18 pm »

I think it is time for them to go back to thier former jobs and let some else take the helm for awhile.It would be nice to see Ronald Moore back and some else from the TMP era.This would give Trek a really big new look or a shot in the arm with some fresh Ideas and concepts.

FFZ · « **Reply #35 on:** April 05, 2004, 09:50:04 am »

The Tholians were shown, but Spock reacts as if he doesn't know them.

Marauth · « **Reply #36 on:** April 05, 2004, 10:16:05 am »

Why would he have known them, it's not like they had many dealings with the Tholians b4 that ep. unless you go by SFB where the Thols arrived around the 2170s

Khalee · « **Reply #37 on:** April 05, 2004, 10:28:26 am »

Im talkning about them in the new Enterprise, where they were fighting over the Time pod. You never saw them and it was a pretty good show.

FFZ · « **Reply #39 on:** April 06, 2004, 12:16:25 pm »

B&B must go if the show is to live.

Whatever they had to give was given years ago, all they do now is repeat the same old stuff, rehashed over and over.

They must be dying to stick a holo-deck into the plot somehow.

EmeraldEdge · « **Reply #40 on:** April 06, 2004, 12:27:46 pm »

I though for sure that when they had the Tripp pregnancy episode where they had the holographic technology, that surely within an episode or two we'd see holodeck episodes as they adapted the technology to a cargo bay or something.

FFZ · « **Reply #41 on:** April 06, 2004, 12:30:29 pm »

I'm sure they want to, they managed to work replicators, Ferengi and other 24th century stuff into the show, they just haben't figured out how to do it just yet.

Khalee · « **Reply #42 on:** April 02, 2004, 06:40:23 pm »

Considering how most every ones wants them to have more roles they seemed to have been kept as filler matrial. Is there maybe some leagle reson for them never being devolped as much as the others have. Kinda like the perhaps the Kizinti.

Praxis · « **Reply #43 on:** April 02, 2004, 07:33:25 pm »

They were around a whole lot in DS9...

Khalee · « **Reply #44 on:** April 02, 2004, 07:45:04 pm »

But not like the Cardasians the Borg the Dominion, It seems to have allways been some one else. look at the new Enterprise we got one episode about them most everything else has been about the stupid time war. its like they are dilibertly ingoring what the fans want, and its more Romulans.

MarianoDT · « **Reply #45 on:** April 02, 2004, 08:06:17 pm »

So why Nemesis was so unpopular? Maybe this is why we don´t see them in ENT.
Personally, I love the movie, and I was surprised when I knew about its performance in theaters.

I´d like to see more romulans too.

Ravok · « **Reply #48 on:** April 02, 2004, 09:47:05 pm »

Good point.

EmeraldEdge · « **Reply #49 on:** April 02, 2004, 10:05:23 pm »

Apparently they were interesting enough for one episode without seeing them, or do they lack the creativity to figure out a few more ways of doing it.

In the original series, I believe the Romulans were intended to be the big bad guys, instead of the Klingons, but there were budget constraints that didn't allow that to happen.

As for the Romulans now... ugh! I couldn't even make myself watch the last movie, the Romulans have been so badly bastardized.

Ravok · « **Reply #50 on:** April 02, 2004, 10:28:36 pm »

Gagh! So i guess the Earth Romulan war isn't going to happen?

It would be a whole lot more interesting than the lust in space curd Ive had to sit through

Capt_Spade · « **Reply #53 on:** April 02, 2004, 11:35:06 pm »

I tend to agree as well. They seem to be ignoring the formula to what made the other Star Trek shows flourish. I say give the people what they want! I know these people have a vision, or whatever they want to call it, but without giving the public what they want the Star Trek franchise will wither and die. I personally do not want that to happen as I have been a loyal Star Trek fan since I was about 7 years old. More Romulans, the Earth Romulan War, bring Kirk back, ect. find a way to at least meet the public halfway with what they want! Well that?s what I say anyway. I?m out!

Ravok · « **Reply #55 on:** April 03, 2004, 12:53:00 am »

Has this guy been watching the same Show we have? or is he just overcome with delusions of grandeur.
And what is up with Majahel Roddenberry ( hope I'm spelling her name right) Doesn't she have any say in the slop job this guy's been doing? Or doesn't she care?
It really is a shame to see such a beautiful vision trampled on and run through the dirt.

FFZ · « **Reply #57 on:** April 03, 2004, 09:48:19 am »

Braga is full of crap, you could easily show the Romulans, AS LONG AS THE STARFLEETERS DON'T SEE OR TALK TO THEM.

In 'Balance of Terror,' Kirk and company only see them because of a transmission, and they don't interact verbally at all till the end. This could be easily handled by any GOOD scriptwriter, so it's no surprise B&B can't handle it.

To them, a good script involves caves, flashlights, destroying a piece of ToS lore, and finding a way for T'Pol to get naked.

Ravok · « **Reply #58 on:** April 03, 2004, 10:08:20 am »

You pretty much sumed up the first 2 seasons.

Khalee · « **Reply #59 on:** April 03, 2004, 10:23:26 am »

Well in balance of terror they said you never saw a Romulan anyway in that war as they refused to alow it and they self destructed to advoid capture too.

And in the enterprise episode where they had the Tholians you never saw them and it was a pretty good one. and you never saw the romulans in the one enterprise show either, and it was a godd one so it can be done.

sandman69247 · « **Reply #60 on:** April 03, 2004, 11:28:35 am »

Hey, I know, let's set up an online petition to send to Paramount asking for the replacement og B&B...hell, there are any number of people here and in other fansites that could fill their jobs, and do it 1000% better. I don't even watch ENT anymore, because every episode they destroy one more thing. As a scifi show, it's ok, but as a Trek show, they've blown it. The mistake that was made, and it should be obvious, is not having a true ST fan running the show. If they did that, we would be fine, but instead the have an egomaniac in charge who thinks his vision is better than Gene's. Oh well, I guess we'll just have to live with it for now...maybe they'll get their act together, but I'm not holding my breath.

FFZ · « **Reply #61 on:** April 03, 2004, 11:35:44 am »

I would be for an on-line petition, Bakula actually asked for something like this, to be sent to Les Moonves, who will decide 'Enterprise's fate.

FFZ · « **Reply #62 on:** April 03, 2004, 11:56:12 am »

Efforts to save Enterprise are now underway, but Berman has given up:

http://www.trektoday.com/news/030404_01.shtml

FFZ · « **Reply #64 on:** April 03, 2004, 01:27:45 pm »

That quote definately has 'white flag' written all over it, but this is more telling of why Enterprise had problems.
http://www.trektoday.com/news/020404_01.shtml
When the DS 9 guy told them they had problems, B&B ignored him!

Ravok · « **Reply #65 on:** April 03, 2004, 01:40:26 pm »

Sounds good to me how do we get it started?

Ravok · « **Reply #67 on:** April 03, 2004, 10:14:13 pm »

I don't get it either? What did Gene leave it in his will or some thing?

Lieutenant_Q · « **Reply #69 on:** April 03, 2004, 11:21:12 pm »

You be confusing him with the guy who really is in charge of Trek. This is just a person who does ratings, for all the major networks.

Rick Berman though...really needs the axe, if they bring in the writing staff of DS9, Enterprise could be turned around in a heartbeat.

EmeraldEdge · « **Reply #70 on:** April 03, 2004, 11:49:58 pm »

There's probably a whole lot of folks that could turn Trek around, but it's obviously not B&B, they've had several chances now, and all we get is the same old drek (which in many ways is getting worse with age). It's really unfortunate because I think this is actually one of the better casts of Trek, but they'll go down as the crew that sunk the ship unless something is done pretty fast.

Ravok · « **Reply #71 on:** April 04, 2004, 12:06:00 am »

I'm going to have to agree i also think it is shaping up to be a good crew as well. (Even tho they don't have any Klingon's serving.)

FFZ · « **Reply #72 on:** April 04, 2004, 11:56:33 am »

Berman has been around Trek since the TNG days, serving in the executive producer role on DS9, and taking over Voyager and Enterprise completely.

Since he was involved with two sucessful projects about Trek, he was expected to keep it up.

As I recall, he used to make excuses about Voyager's rotten ratings, claiming the system was flawed that did ratings, and saying that TNG and DS9 were syndicated, so theyt had a different system.

The truth is, since UPN took over the future of Trek, it has been all downhill.

IKV Nemesis D7L · « **Reply #73 on:** April 04, 2004, 12:45:31 pm »

Rick Berman:
The Big Blue Marble childrens show. Producer.

Brannon Braga:

Braga produced music videos before joining TNG's writing staff in season 4

Chlidrens TV and music videos? How does that qualify them to produce a major SciFi TV series?

FFZ · « **Reply #74 on:** April 04, 2004, 01:31:56 pm »

I don't understand it either. By year four, TNG was red hot script wise, before it started to slip again in the fifth year. IMO, years 3-4 were the best 2 years TNG ever had, they included all the Worf discomendation stuff, the epic two-parter vs the Borg and its aftermath, a really cool episode with Enterprise 'C" ect.

By year five, the show seemed to slip into a preachy, annoying mode, while still doing some fantastic stories.

Age · « **Reply #75 on:** April 04, 2004, 02:37:18 pm »

I think it is time for them to go back to thier former jobs and let some else take the helm for awhile.It would be nice to see Ronald Moore back and some else from the TMP era.This would give Trek a really big new look or a shot in the arm with some fresh Ideas and concepts.

FFZ · « **Reply #77 on:** April 05, 2004, 09:50:04 am »

The Tholians were shown, but Spock reacts as if he doesn't know them.

Marauth · « **Reply #78 on:** April 05, 2004, 10:16:05 am »

Why would he have known them, it's not like they had many dealings with the Tholians b4 that ep. unless you go by SFB where the Thols arrived around the 2170s

Khalee · « **Reply #79 on:** April 05, 2004, 10:28:26 am »

Im talkning about them in the new Enterprise, where they were fighting over the Time pod. You never saw them and it was a pretty good show.

FFZ · « **Reply #81 on:** April 06, 2004, 12:16:25 pm »

B&B must go if the show is to live.

Whatever they had to give was given years ago, all they do now is repeat the same old stuff, rehashed over and over.

They must be dying to stick a holo-deck into the plot somehow.

EmeraldEdge · « **Reply #82 on:** April 06, 2004, 12:27:46 pm »

I though for sure that when they had the Tripp pregnancy episode where they had the holographic technology, that surely within an episode or two we'd see holodeck episodes as they adapted the technology to a cargo bay or something.

FFZ · « **Reply #83 on:** April 06, 2004, 12:30:29 pm »

I'm sure they want to, they managed to work replicators, Ferengi and other 24th century stuff into the show, they just haben't figured out how to do it just yet.

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