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Re: Tactics list for new DV2 players....
« Reply #60 on: December 16, 2007, 06:03:42 pm »
I'd be a much more deadly oppenent if I understood tactics a bit better than I do. As is, my unpredictability wins most of my matches... probably because my understanding of tactics is barely sufficient enough for me to gain the upper hand pulling out one of my tricks at the opportune moment. Fortunately, my understanding of when that 'moment' is is dead on. But if I'm paired with someone who knows tactics... ooohhhh, watch out!

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Re: Tactics list for new DV2 players....
« Reply #61 on: December 16, 2007, 06:07:52 pm »
The best general tactic is to be unpredictable. Don't fall into a pattern that your opponent can devise a counter to.

But its okay to let people think that you are using such a pattern, only to break it at the key moment.  :)

You've been reading my play book.   I'd say 50% of my 1v1 kill occur when I lull people into a pattern and then change it on them

Thats been in my playbook since I learned to play chess in grade 6 many moons ago.
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Re: Tactics list for new DV2 players....
« Reply #62 on: December 16, 2007, 06:11:11 pm »
Don't just overload use underloads and turning weapons off to gain power advantages.  All weapon modes exist for a reason and should be used when appropriate.
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Re: Tactics list for new DV2 players....
« Reply #63 on: December 17, 2007, 08:05:43 am »
Always approach your target at a 45 degree angle when making a direct-fire attack run, especially against a plasma opponent.   If you approach straight on, your opponent can HET into you and easily get an anchor.   If you approach at a 45 degree angle, you can turn away when they HET, often while still getting in your shot.
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Re: Tactics list for new DV2 players....
« Reply #64 on: December 17, 2007, 03:16:57 pm »
I'd be a much more deadly oppenent if I understood tactics a bit better than I do. As is, my unpredictability wins most of my matches... probably because my understanding of tactics is barely sufficient enough for me to gain the upper hand pulling out one of my tricks at the opportune moment. Fortunately, my understanding of when that 'moment' is is dead on. But if I'm paired with someone who knows tactics... ooohhhh, watch out!
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Orignally Posted by DizzyHere's another one: Dropping/Lifting your Skirt.

When you drop a shield intentionally to get the enemy to fire at you when he isn't planning on it. This is such an awesome tactic because people will nearly instinctively fire at a downed shield even out of effective range amd thru a 2 shift if they see you drop your shield and their DF weapons are rdy. hehe
That is what you told me to do and of coarse I feel for it.

I don't see how how hard it could be going agaist a Lyran unless it is Mog.I would just keep my distance.
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Re: Tactics list for new DV2 players....
« Reply #65 on: December 17, 2007, 08:16:29 pm »
... if I'm paired with someone who knows tactics... ooohhhh, watch out!


That's why I want to wing Lyran with you. A lack of patience is your biggest tell. You would go screaming in and I could read the "play" and act appropriately.

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Re: Tactics list for new DV2 players....
« Reply #66 on: December 17, 2007, 08:29:12 pm »
Don't just overload use underloads and turning weapons off to gain power advantages.  All weapon modes exist for a reason and should be used when appropriate.
Amen!
I usually keep the phaser capacitor at 10% unless I have a chance to go slow and powercharge it.

I read an article once that said something like "don't do your attack run until your weapons are charged and you're fully accelerated." I have a problem with this. I always forget to check the speed dial and I run in too slow. Then I get fryed trying to get out quick enough.

I also always depend on long-range "coward" tactics too much. When someone charges at me, I panic :). I need to shake it up more, like Corbomite's advice.

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Re: Tactics list for new DV2 players....
« Reply #67 on: December 17, 2007, 08:51:03 pm »
Don't gloat to your opponent about how you have already defeated them.  Some people will get annoyed and creative and snatch victory from the jaws of defeat.  Why do you think I first tried the Lame Duck maneuver?  :)
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Re: Tactics list for new DV2 players....
« Reply #68 on: December 17, 2007, 08:59:55 pm »
I'm not too patient. But I have been known to play 2 and 3 hour matches.  :D

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Re: Tactics list for new DV2 players....
« Reply #69 on: December 18, 2007, 06:27:29 am »
I'm not too patient. But I have been known to play 2 and 3 hour matches.  :D

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Re: Tactics list for new DV2 players....
« Reply #70 on: December 18, 2007, 09:30:34 am »
I'm not too patient. But I have been known to play 2 and 3 hour matches.  :D

"Just play it safe against Dizzy.
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He'll get bored and either do something bold or stupid, maybe both. The both is what you have to look out for.
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Sometimes they are one in the same and make the difference between defeat and victory. Thats why I like winging with Dizzy, too bad he likes flying Feddies.
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Re: Tactics list for new DV2 players....
« Reply #71 on: December 18, 2007, 10:45:36 pm »
Here's a blast from the past...

http://ca.geocities.com/gary.swinfield@rogers.com/

Keep in mind this is about 5 years old. Note the tactics page.
They have already been mentioned, but I thought you guys would get a kick out of it. It was "cutting edge" when it was made(it's old hat now).

I finally sat down and put in the time to get it up and running. The links are old and don't work, and some stuff doesn't line up anymore, but there is it nonetheless.
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Re: Tactics list for new DV2 players....
« Reply #72 on: December 18, 2007, 10:52:00 pm »
I'm not too patient. But I have been known to play 2 and 3 hour matches.  :D

"Just play it safe against Dizzy.
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He'll get bored and either do something bold or stupid, maybe both. The both is what you have to look out for.
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Sometimes they are one in the same and make the difference between defeat and victory. Thats why I like winging with Dizzy, too bad he likes flying Feddies.
I though Dizzy liked Flying Rom as of lately.Yeah those links are old.

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Re: Tactics list for new DV2 players....
« Reply #73 on: December 22, 2007, 03:43:39 pm »
Here's a blast from the past...

http://ca.geocities.com/gary.swinfield@rogers.com/

Keep in mind this is about 5 years old. Note the tactics page.
They have already been mentioned, but I thought you guys would get a kick out of it. It was "cutting edge" when it was made(it's old hat now).

I finally sat down and put in the time to get it up and running. The links are old and don't work, and some stuff doesn't line up anymore, but there is it nonetheless.


Hey that's pretty cool!

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Re: Tactics list for new DV2 players....
« Reply #74 on: December 24, 2007, 12:23:21 am »
My go-to tactic as a Romulan is pretty much basic cloaking procedure.

Defense:

Vs. seeking weapons, keep outside range 5-7, and ensure you're going slow enough to decelerate rapidly.  If you're charging weapons, most likely you are.  When your opponent fires seekers at you, IMMEDIATELY nail the e-brake and cloak simultaneously.  This causes all seeking weapons to gradually lose their lock.  If performed outside range 10, nothing tan touch you.  Closer is risky, and should never be attempted inside range 5 without a weasel.

Offense:

Basically, stay cloaked while you charge, decloak once to draw seekers, immediately cloak again, then decloak once everything has dissappeared.  Fire, rinse, and repeat.  It is often necessary to adjust your phaser slider to 1/3 to match the charge rate of your plasma since you're cloaked and can't fire faster anyway.
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Re: Tactics list for new DV2 players....
« Reply #75 on: December 24, 2007, 08:37:44 am »
Here's another one: Dropping/Lifting your Skirt.

When you drop a shield intentionally to get the enemy to fire at you when he isn't planning on it. This is such an awesome tactic because people will nearly instinctively fire at a downed shield even out of effective range amd thru a 2 shift if they see you drop your shield and their DF weapons are rdy. hehe

Used that on Kroma in a Rom ship once, to his credit he resisted it once, but if you put a bare butt in front of him, he can only hold out so long.  Then he was caught between a wave of drones, 2 asteroids and Freedom's pursuing fighters.

A simliar thing to do, is if you know your enemy is empty of direct fire weapons, drop a shield, if he has hit an runs on auto his shield will drop and you can let loose on him. This one is what I call "The Sucker Punch"


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Re: Tactics list for new DV2 players....
« Reply #76 on: December 24, 2007, 08:39:26 am »
The Lame Duck maneuver
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When playing as Mirak against someone who evades missiles well I've stopped firing them when low on supply and acted more aggressive with the direct fire weapons.  My opponent then assumes that I am out of supply and comes in for the kill only to find that one last volley fired at point blank range makes him the prey rather than the predator. 

Thats what I call "The Limping Cat"

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Re: Tactics list for new DV2 players....
« Reply #77 on: December 24, 2007, 08:43:13 am »
I'd be a much more deadly oppenent if I understood tactics a bit better than I do. As is, my unpredictability wins most of my matches... probably because my understanding of tactics is barely sufficient enough for me to gain the upper hand pulling out one of my tricks at the opportune moment. Fortunately, my understanding of when that 'moment' is is dead on. But if I'm paired with someone who knows tactics... ooohhhh, watch out!

A few people are actually good at predicting unpredictability.  Or at least have peaked in Dizzy's bag of tricks enough.  Dizzy is the only pilot I feel is much better than me who I have a winning record against.  ;D


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Re: Tactics list for new DV2 players....
« Reply #78 on: December 24, 2007, 01:56:39 pm »
My go-to tactic as a Romulan is pretty much basic cloaking procedure.

Defense:

Vs. seeking weapons, keep outside range 5-7, and ensure you're going slow enough to decelerate rapidly.  If you're charging weapons, most likely you are.  When your opponent fires seekers at you, IMMEDIATELY nail the e-brake and cloak simultaneously.  This causes all seeking weapons to gradually lose their lock.  If performed outside range 10, nothing tan touch you.  Closer is risky, and should never be attempted inside range 5 without a weasel.

Offense:

Basically, stay cloaked while you charge, decloak once to draw seekers, immediately cloak again, then decloak once everything has dissappeared.  Fire, rinse, and repeat.  It is often necessary to adjust your phaser slider to 1/3 to match the charge rate of your plasma since you're cloaked and can't fire faster anyway.
How do you do this without getting people pissed at you?!

It's too bad, really. It's a valid tactic, and necessary for Old Roms. There's ways around it, so people who don't want to "waste their time" fighting a cloaked Romulan, shouldn't be grouchy. Oh well ;)


I fought an ISC recently, and right now, I think they are my toughest enemies. It was a late, 200 bpv no X battle. I had a R-NHK and they had an I-CVLS. I really didn't know what to do. When I tried dancing ballet with them, their 2 PPDs ripped my shields away. I tried going for an anchor and they dumped 2 fighter squadrons in my face, along with the Plasma I's. I killed one squad, but the other got away and repaired.
Are there any good tactics against the ISC? They are hard to approach for an anchor kill, but then they slowly gut me at long range!

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Re: Tactics list for new DV2 players....
« Reply #79 on: December 24, 2007, 02:44:44 pm »


A simliar thing to do, is if you know your enemy is empty of direct fire weapons, drop a shield, if he has hit an runs on auto his shield will drop and you can let loose on him. This one is what I call "The Sucker Punch"



That is such an awesome tactic! I'm gonna use that against Corbo!