Topic: Rapid space transport (Exotic or speculative technologies Thread) (Read 10684 times)

Stormbringer · « **Reply #40 on:** March 27, 2004, 10:08:55 pm »

Not really perception there. It is relativity. Since an observer is involved I guess you could make the claim perception is involved like that but like your centrifugal correction it is not really accurate terminology. That aside; my mystical theories do hold that sort of place for perception and Will. An interesting experience I had during a deliberate attempt to percieve a condition that was unreal and to create that situation as real tends to back it up, -but that is a discussion not suited for this particular forum.

ActiveX · « **Reply #41 on:** March 27, 2004, 10:13:26 pm »

Hehe, either way it stacks up the same, if you are travelling to a system 400 lightyears away, you won't much care that you should have died last Tuesday...

I also think light speed is only impossible when you are immobile (

I know), but when you are actually attempting to go light speed you won't have that same realization...

It's like not knowing you are going 120 mph until you look at the speedo or are outside the vehicle...

Stormbringer · « **Reply #42 on:** March 27, 2004, 10:18:23 pm »

Light speed is constant. things like time passage, inertial mass and so forth are relative but a headlight on a car traveling at 99 percent of light speed is still just going off the car at light speed. they are not additive. an observer in one reference frame observes time at one rate. An observer in an outside reference frame percieves it at another but instruments back it up so it is not perception per se that is different. It is the data coming in that has changed.

ActiveX · « **Reply #43 on:** March 27, 2004, 10:24:08 pm »

And that is what the focus should be, why does the data change, and why do our calculations say light speed is impossible?

Maybe the key is to make light of ourselves.

Since photons cease to exist once they stop moving, there would have to be a way to stop it...

Essentially, we have to invent the transporter...

And IIRC, it already has been sofar as we can tell...what was it a proton that they moved from one atom to another instantly?

The thing that I don't get is why we can measure infinite...light speed is finite, and finite is surpassable...

Stormbringer · « **Reply #44 on:** March 27, 2004, 10:29:24 pm »

IIRC it was a photon. BTW photons can be "frozen" in a laser confinement system (like ghost busters.

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ActiveX · « **Reply #45 on:** March 27, 2004, 10:31:20 pm »

But the photon is moving, just not in relation to the observer...

One other thing I don't seem to understand is why we have to settle for going lightspeed...

Why not just fold the damn universe in half and step across...much faster...

Or we could create some wormholes and play Stargate SG-1...

Stormbringer · « **Reply #46 on:** March 27, 2004, 10:40:09 pm »

Good topics!

Energy (or mass) is the currency needed to fold space. Trek's warp is just a spatial surf ride but it is folding space, -just not on such a large scale. Even treklike folding space requires more energy than the output of the sun. (and that may be putting it mildly) Still that sort ofthing can be done it is just a matter of time until we find the means to produce the energy needed or fid a way to finesse less energy into doing an equivelent thing.( I'd give this one a 20 percent there rating)

Wormholes. well we are capable of this just at a microscopic space scale and fleeting duration. Mind you there is a way theoretically to enlage wormholes from the quantum scale where they exist naturally and make them large enough to drive a ship through (or to walk through.) Once we demonstrate this in the lab then we need to work on how to ensure the other opening is near someplace we want to go. So this one is about 33% there.

SL-Punisher · « **Reply #47 on:** March 27, 2004, 10:42:05 pm »

Einstien only said it was impossible for a given object to approach the speed of light..of cours this doesn't apply to objects already traveling at the speed of light or faster.

Stormbringer · « **Reply #48 on:** March 27, 2004, 10:46:16 pm »

True. Tachyons (hypothetically speaking) escape the light speed limit in a number of ways and a careful examinations merely says inertial mass is infinite at light speed not after. In fact it reverses and becomes less the faster you go after passing through light speed. Quantum tunneling ( or something like it) could jump this barrier.

ActiveX · « **Reply #49 on:** March 27, 2004, 10:50:31 pm »

Well the thing is, why do we have to go lightspeed, if just turning into light would be more efficient and faster?

Assume for a minute that you could be decoded if you will into a beam of light and shot at say...the moon, and then recoded into your previous form?

This could go hand in hand with cloning, I once watched a show about time travel in that your memories were transported into your clone at the destination, and the original you had to be killed (literally). When you came back, a new clone was created where you started and your new memories are implanted in the new one...

It was a weird show, especially since a Velociraptor was the operator of the machine...

Stormbringer · « **Reply #50 on:** March 27, 2004, 10:50:49 pm »

Active, you got me thinking on the problem of navigating with worm holes. If I could create the macroscopic mouth of a worm hole at will and I could create them in such a way that the terminus was always a fixed distance and direction in front of the ship it would not mater if the worm hole were not very long. By creating them in series, I could create the effect of a continuous worm hole to my final destination. The time elapsed would be finite but a tiny tiny fraction of the time it would take to traverse normal space time.

ActiveX · « **Reply #51 on:** March 27, 2004, 10:58:00 pm »

I don't think wormholes will be much use for the frontier, but I see no reason we couldn't build a gate system as we expand...

Remember, communication is the downfall of any empire and stagnation happens when you can't order expansion...

If we can't talk to our frontiers in other systems, we can't even pretend that we are expanding...

So a wormhole transport system could double as a Verizon Stellarless comlink...

Stormbringer · « **Reply #52 on:** March 27, 2004, 11:06:04 pm »

Yes but remember we ar trying out the various proposed FTL like systems to see which is more "doable." The wormhole thing has the virtue of not taking as much energy (possibly) as the others and has a method for control of the endpoint. messages could be sent through them or by tachons or by stable quantum entangled digital code streams using huge puopulations of entangled particles to "communicate" with each other (by polarity switching) instantly. The multitude would prevent degradation of the signal due to unentaglement of some of the particles or other accidents. Most phyicists claim no info could actually be sent this way due to the fragile nature of entanglement. My massivly parrallel scheme should alleviate that concern.

ActiveX · « **Reply #53 on:** March 27, 2004, 11:07:59 pm »

If we have to we could just put a message in a frickin bottle...

Stormbringer · « **Reply #54 on:** March 27, 2004, 11:13:22 pm »

Let's continue tomorrow. I'm going to bed.

ActiveX · « **Reply #55 on:** March 27, 2004, 11:14:03 pm »

Hehe, night.

Stormbringer · « **Reply #56 on:** March 25, 2004, 05:01:16 pm »

Tangentially to my planetary construction thread the topic of warp drives and Zero Point Energy and other speculative science ideas has come up. To keep focused whilst still discussing these fascinating topics I decided to start another series of threads this one is for Si-Fi like or advanced propulsion systems and ancilliary or spin off technologies.

IOW we should discuss various schema for FTL and or reletavistic sublight spacefight. Everything from nuclear engines to dimensional travel and the proposed solutions or theories necessary for them to work. Advanced propulsion schemes are hardly exclusive to fiction. NASA itself has delved into nuclear fission, fusion, anti-matter, light sails, laser, and even anti-gravity propulsion. Some with actual hardware (Minerva, Nerva) some laboratory studies and some just conceptual studies.

And there is always the fringe science, basement scientists and even some outright k0oks which; established science aside, I find fascinating. It's all within the bounds of this discussion. Who shall go first?

Stormbringer · « **Reply #57 on:** March 26, 2004, 09:12:15 pm »

What -no one here is interested in speculating on the evolution of space propulsion technology on a space naval simulation web site where one's credentials are protected by relative anonymity? Afraid of looking silly? Buncha space wussies. You're scared. Scared!

Stormbringer · « **Reply #58 on:** March 27, 2004, 08:22:57 pm »

This is getting depressing, I'm having a conversation with myself again. NASA Daedelus design ? Icharus? MINERVA? NIRVA?

oes nobody know anything about these serious early attempts at advanced propulsion or design for spacecraft or propulsion?

ActiveX · « **Reply #59 on:** March 27, 2004, 08:45:01 pm »

I have several advanced propulsor designs running around my head...

Some are based on neutron diffusion (a bit farfetched) and another is a gravity drive (pulls or pushes stellar object to incite motion)...

I have loads, but no real theoretical science knowledge to base them on hehe...nother words Im not even a high school graduate...

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