Topic: FASA V-4 TMP version now up as well as TOS (Read 4481 times)

red_green · « **on:** March 24, 2004, 05:22:43 am »

I'll just post updates on my FASA Rommies in here instead of having 9 threads. I started on the V-4. Thats why the rest are not done. Keep starting new ones. I got the wing done. Its at 400 polies. I could have done it with 200. I used an extra 200 just to bevel the edges. That helps make it so it isnt just a rectangle from the edge on angle. I hate flying 2 by 4's.

I tried 2 other ships but there headed for the recycle bin.

I think I got a better idea how to go about one of them, but this is starting to feel like work. So I'll finish up what I have so far.

The newest pics are always furtherest right on the bottom row. Only 1 pic of the V-4 wing is up, Kinda unremarkable by itself. When I release the ships, this will be specced as a DN. I got all crusiers and scouts so I thought this one could be bumped to DN.
My reasoning is its the 1st design with the trademark Rommie wings and thus makes the best representation for a ship making the bridge from late TOS to TMP.

wip thread

Wing of Vengeanse V-4 refernce site

ModelsPlease · « **Reply #1 on:** March 24, 2004, 07:02:36 am »

Good idea then we won't have to drool all over the entire forum,just in here.

Ok get the mop

-MP

Klingon Fanatic · « **Reply #2 on:** March 24, 2004, 11:02:30 am »

I will revise my FASA to SFC collection release schedule. Since you are working on a V-4 and Anduril's/Scott Hunters has been missing in action for, almost three years, when YOUR V-4 is done and in my possession I will make arrangements to get the entire collection that I have out to somebody who can arrange for hosting.

My current thoughts are to streamline the collection by removing ALL canon TMP ships from the collection (not starbases or shuttles though).

KF

red_green · « **Reply #3 on:** March 25, 2004, 12:56:23 pm »

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I will revise my FASA to SFC collection release schedule. Since you are working on a V-4 and Anduril's/Scott Hunters has been missing in action for, almost three years, when YOUR V-4 is done and in my possession I will make arrangements to get the entire collection that I have out to somebody who can arrange for hosting.

My current thoughts are to streamline the collection by removing ALL canon TMP ships from the collection (not starbases or shuttles though).

KF

I wouldn't change your release date on my account. I may be a month away from releasing any of these. Soon I will have a lot less time to work on them. Then I like to go over them and fine tune. When they are released they will be in SFC3 format.

Small update. Finished the guns and impulse engines. The edge of the wings will eventually get mapped seperate so the textures wont be stretched like they are now.

wip pics

red_green · « **Reply #4 on:** March 26, 2004, 04:28:10 pm »

Bigger update. Mesh is complete and 90% mapped. Textures are almost done also. Just need to finish up the guns and the wing edges. Then scale and convert. I build meshes by eyeballing them so now would be the time to check it out to see if you think the proportions are off. Comments welcome. The V-4 will be my 1st Romulan released. Still not setting a date though. These Rommies are being put in production in response to Lord Sctupps TOS Fed fleet, which the Romulans percieve as a threat, so are increasing their ship production.

updated V-4 pics

Azel · « **Reply #5 on:** March 26, 2004, 04:32:58 pm »

Red-Green
All I can say is WOW!!!
I really enjoy your work
Thank you

Mariner · « **Reply #6 on:** March 26, 2004, 06:19:35 pm »

Well, my first suggestion is to replace the center warp engines with some the box modules on the schematic, or something resembling them (perhaps giant assault disruptors?

). You don't really need visible warp engines IMO, since this looks like the Romulan version of the Klink BoP. Perhaps a glowing impulse engine put at the end of the main fuselage would suffice for a warp/impulse engine?

Great work BTW.

Klingon Fanatic · « **Reply #9 on:** March 27, 2004, 06:31:49 am »

Red_Green,

Your last post was a wonderful read and yet another excellent example of how FASA designs are improved by the SFC community. I strongly believe that if FASA Trek were made today it would be a VAST improvement over the original game thanks to model makers throughout the ST: computer gaming community.

In regards to Klink BOPs I think you are dead on about them! My favorite KBOP variant is WZ45's W'ked class followed by Terradyne's version of the Insurrection and I use them both as fighters.

As far as the V-4 goes, I really am hoping you will consider a TMP version.

KF

red_green · « **Reply #10 on:** March 27, 2004, 10:15:45 am »

KF I have seen you have done some retexturing. Perhaps you could convert it to TMP. I have lots more meshes collecting dust so any TMP version would be a year or 2 away.

I was eyeing up another Rommie ship to do. So I'd rather just keep doing TOS versions until there all done. Once there released it would be easy for someone to import Terradyne's V-9 engines and put them on the V-4. As long as he gives his permission of course.

I have been comparing the stats on the V-4 to other ships. The V-8 weighs in at 67,000 tons. The V-4 at 65,000 and the Klingon k-22 (BOP) at 45,000. A bigger difference is cargo capacity. With the K-22 at 250 tons. The V-8 at 2,400 and the V-4 at a whopping 4000. Because of the V-4's large cargo hold it could be converted into a light carrier I believe. The back end is a perfect shape for a carrier. So I thought I would try meshing open shuttle bays with 1 or 2 P-12 cutters inside. Hopefully I can do that in a couple hours. If it takes longer or looks sucky then I'll just texture the bays in.

Thanks for the comments everyone. I never thought of this carrier potential until the comparison to the BOP was mentioned.

red_green · « **Reply #11 on:** March 27, 2004, 02:17:28 pm »

I meshed in a shuttle bay. I crammed 3 shuttles in there. Looks crowded. I could go with 2 or even 1 rotated looked about the best. I'll have to see what size these shuttles would actually be as compared to the V-4. This well look so much better when the bay and back are textured. Thats one reason I am just focusing on TOS. I want to keep the quality up. I could just release as is now and get more ships out, but if I spend a few more days on it, the little details will really polish it off.

Regarding the bays. I still have other options. I could make it 2 levels or add in partitions. Perhaps 2 levels with 2 shuttles on the bottom and 1 on top. btw the shuttles are 600 polies each but I believe for the purposes here I could get them down to 350. Now if only I could model in a Romulan shuttle pilot.

James Formo · « **Reply #12 on:** March 28, 2004, 12:29:52 pm »

Yea my sig is too big. Fixing it later.

I am a pig in mud.

I got the shuttle bays how I want. Four total. 2 open and 2 closed. Was going to put more stuff in there but you won't see it anyway cause I can't zoom in any closer. I redid the windows for the 3rd time and now there are some markings along the wing edge but they seem blurry so rework number 4

I textured in some nice weathering on the wing top and bottoms, only when I apply the lightmap parts of the wing glow due to the varience in the textures. I think I can fix that by using a lightmap from before I weathered the wings. Basically I am just messing around trying to pick up a few things but not making any significant progress

The bad news for some of you is this is going to be around 4,500 polies when I am done.

Klingon Fanatic · « **Reply #13 on:** March 28, 2004, 01:23:20 pm »

One tiny suggestion... please use some Romulan numbers on the hangar bays, LOL!

Nice job so far!

KF

yeaterk · « **Reply #15 on:** March 28, 2004, 04:09:01 pm »

i love it except for the open hanger bays doors( not a critisism ) just my opion, i whould leave the engines where they are and the weopens on the wings like the pic in fasa book( once again just me ) in what era you could do differnt textures for the differnt eras that should make every happy i would think. keep up the good work.

MajorRacal · « **Reply #17 on:** March 28, 2004, 08:03:59 pm »

That V-4 is certainly coming along nicely. I actually like the open shuttlebay door, though perhaps the Comilius looks a little too big - but then again, the specs said she should only have a load out of 2, so what would i know?

MajorRacal

Azel · « **Reply #19 on:** March 29, 2004, 09:38:10 am »

Man ...I have to tell you...I was not at all a big fan of this design...BUT DAMN!!!
Your's is stunning!!!
thank you man

I love sove of the shots you put her in....So Gorgeous!!

Kaenyne · « **Reply #20 on:** March 29, 2004, 09:41:27 am »

Holy Smokes, that IS good!

Gimme!

red_green · « **Reply #21 on:** March 29, 2004, 06:17:18 pm »

Thanks guys. She is all ready for her maiden voyage. Try not to get her blown up. Unless your playing Fed of course

Its at my Yahoo club. Sorry you have to join it 1st, then click under files. Heres the link.

Link to d/l the V-4 SFC3 version

Its complete for SFC3 with hard points damage maps/damage light maps. PLus a break model. All the odds and ends like TI, VL and BS files with install instructions and some ship back ground.

Please d/l if you like it. I have FASA ships I can complete but not much sense in releasing if only 3 people d/l it. I put more work into ships I release then ones I just throw in my own game. Figure if my names in the readme I don't want the model to be too shabby.

yeaterk · « **Reply #22 on:** March 30, 2004, 02:30:09 am »

it says i am not authorized to view the page i guess to download it, i did join the group bye the way.

ModelsPlease · « **Reply #23 on:** March 30, 2004, 05:08:54 am »

Great ship sir,too bad Yahoo says it has reached it's D/L limit so I cannot D/L her.But I'll continue to try tomorrow.

-MP

Marauth · « **Reply #24 on:** March 30, 2004, 05:45:49 am »

Why not put it up at the SFU? then ppl can get to it all the time with no d/l limit.

red_green · « **Reply #25 on:** March 30, 2004, 08:12:06 am »

Sorry guys. I forget how low yahoo band limit is. Also wasn't sure what happened to files at SFU but I figured out how to get the direct link so the one below should take you right to it. Now that I know I'll just post files over there from now on.

V4 d/l link

Marauth · « **Reply #26 on:** March 30, 2004, 09:04:16 am »

May I say - since I never got to see the images up at VillagePhotos - that is fcuking brilliant

could you do a version without the open shuttlebay? And will we get that shuttle as a separate mod?

red_green · « **Reply #27 on:** March 30, 2004, 10:52:16 am »

Yea I can do a closed bay version. Just some info on the shuttle as MajorRacal commented it might be too big. I measured it in game comparing to the wing span of the V-4. I was able to put 16 and 1/2 shuttles touching end to end lengthwise along the wingspan. Since the wingspan is 195 meters, this makes the shuttle length 11.8 meters. Anyone have an idea what an average shuttle length in TOS era was? I want to get things as authentic as possible so I appeciate comments like MajorRacal made and Mariner did earlier about using square nacels. The ship looks much better for it.

The shuttle is actually modeled after the P-12 cutter as seen in this link.

P-12

This P-12 is actually 54 meters in length. Making it more of a PF fighter I imagine. The length of the V4 is only 80 meters. So obviously it couldn't carry a P-12. So when I release the P-12, I will scale one at 54 meters and the other the same size as the stock shuttle in SFC3(I'm assuming those will be 2 different sizes, but maybe not). I also have 2 versions of nacells for it so I will include them both. I actually have not finished texturing it yet. Though for inside the bay it really didn't need any detail, but the 54 meter one will

red_green · « **Reply #28 on:** March 30, 2004, 03:38:55 pm »

As per request. A new version with closed bays. I also went ahead and repainted the wings. The buzzards are green now also. I did that after I too the screen shot.

Here is both links.

TMP closed bay version

TOS open bay version

****IMPORTANT**** Note While the texture maps are different for each version, they have the same names. Whats cool about that is you can use either texture version for both ships. Just be sure to back up a copy before you copy over the originals.

***ANOTHER SEMI-IMPORTANT NOTE***** On the TOS version. rename bottom8_D.bmp to bottom8D.bmp Thats the only error I have found so far.

Am I nice to you guys or what?

ModelsPlease · « **Reply #29 on:** March 30, 2004, 03:56:10 pm »

Thank you sir,they rock !!! Oh BTW if you are looking for a good place to upload your ships try here......

www.stcd.sgnonline.com

They update the site within a few days of new postings

-MP

red_green · « **Reply #30 on:** March 30, 2004, 04:31:34 pm »

ModelsPlease, I tried that website but I don't see any way to upload. There is no submit file button. I tried clicking on uploads but it just says no files in this catagory.

Klingon Fanatic · « **Reply #31 on:** March 30, 2004, 04:36:35 pm »

D/l the TMP version. Now to keep my end of the bargain.... Mwa, ha, ha!

KF

red_green · « **Reply #32 on:** March 30, 2004, 05:09:27 pm »

Ok got it. Its up at STCD site now as well as SFU.

TMP version

TOS version

ModelsPlease · « **Reply #33 on:** March 31, 2004, 03:58:27 am »

My apologize' Red_Green I should have just linked you to the upload area.I will remember that for the next time someone asks this question.Great work again !! Keep those Rommies comming.

-MP

yeaterk · « **Reply #34 on:** March 31, 2004, 01:38:28 pm »

i d/l both thank you not sure which paint job i like better, so i wont choose, will put both in game.

Wolfsglen · « **Reply #35 on:** March 31, 2004, 01:46:41 pm »

Absolutely incredible work! These ships are beautiful to behold in game

Ever notice how some of the weird FASA stuff that sometimes looks crud on paper looks awesome in 3D? This is one of them

Wolfsglen · « **Reply #37 on:** April 03, 2004, 11:38:48 am »

Great stuff

Look forward to seeing it.

And i liked the open shuttle bay one, so there

But open or closed is still good.

red_green · « **Reply #38 on:** April 06, 2004, 08:51:38 pm »

The TOS version V4 typeII is available here. This is a retexture of the TOS version. Its the same textures as previously only more details and weathering. Let me know which of the TOS textures you prefer, weathered or "shipyard new". As future ships may only have 1 release.

TOS V4typeII

The mesh is the same with closed bays. I could have added 1 more gun per side. But I don't like uber ships. I think refits should be updating or replacing guns, not added a bunch more

Rhaz · « **Reply #39 on:** April 07, 2004, 12:31:04 am »

Awesome work. I really like the type II textures, but I can't open the archive file after I d/l it

yeaterk · « **Reply #40 on:** April 07, 2004, 02:12:56 am »

opened fine for me. You might have probelms opening it cause it is .Rar not zip. That might be the probelm.

As to which i like ... welll the old one i guess, your mkII skin is tough rough looking for my tastes. But that is just me.

Hope to see some more of your work soon. keep up the good work.

ModelsPlease · « **Reply #41 on:** April 07, 2004, 03:30:46 am »

Kick azz sir !!!! Love the Type II. Oh BTW if I may make a suggestion in your quote at the bottom about toasting Marshmellows......shouldn't it be Marshmellons? Circa Star Trek V." Well what do you know,a marshmellon"-McKoy

-MP

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