Topic: TMP FED wip1 (Read 8259 times)

TheSkinMan · « **on:** February 24, 2003, 01:13:06 am »

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starforce2 · « **Reply #1 on:** February 24, 2003, 01:15:11 am »

interesting design. That a torpedo pod or a deflector dish?

Captain KoraH · « **Reply #2 on:** February 24, 2003, 01:29:42 am »

Sweet skinman! I think this is gonna be awesome. I'm thinking about making a TMP mod, maybe you'll let me use it when it's finished.

Speaking about finished, do you have a download link for the 2nd edition Tholian? And, you don't mind if I use them in the Neutral Zone mod do you?

Ducttapewonder · « **Reply #3 on:** February 24, 2003, 04:14:43 am »

Me likes so far.

TheSkinMan · « **Reply #4 on:** February 24, 2003, 03:08:06 pm »

update

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ChrisJohnson · « **Reply #5 on:** February 24, 2003, 04:06:03 pm »

Y'know, in all of your models from day 1 (except your Legion [Sp?] ones has been done in a strange way. In perspective angles you give us, it looks squished or bent outta shape a bit. Not to the point that it looks bad though, that's hardly the case with almost every model of yours. This is no exception. Despite the slightly squished view of pics one and three of your update, it looks very beautiful, especially the warp engines (warp grilles lit up on the insides or not, and I think we might need more non-lit versions) Of course the perspective bent-outta-shape signatures you give the model could be just my mind. And if so than oh well. Never stops me from thinking that and thinking much more of how beautiful your ships are (especially this one, already my favorite). Good job Skin Man!

Oh, BTW... The tail thrusters on the warp engines are on the opposite sides. Just thought you should know.

TheSkinMan · « **Reply #6 on:** February 24, 2003, 11:27:23 pm »

The tail thrusters on the warp engines are on the opposite sides becase i was testing to see if i liked them thair or not.I always liek to try something new and dif.
About the squished or bent outta shape thing, i dont see what your talking about If you could point it out more it mite help me to see the error and fix it.

SkinMan

starforce2 · « **Reply #7 on:** February 25, 2003, 12:58:26 am »

I don't see any squishing, although the lighting and the way the pylons go into the hull, the first upper-side view has the pod looking like it's off center. I think yur just seeing an illusion.

RipperMan · « **Reply #8 on:** February 25, 2003, 07:59:58 am »

I am by no means an expert ;-) but man..thats one good looking TMP ship! woo! Is this going to be a theme for the next few weeks? or are you just doign this as a one off.

Anthony_Scott · « **Reply #9 on:** February 25, 2003, 08:10:10 am »

Very nice, can't wait to have it available for download...will make a nice addition to my sizeable collection of ships! Keep up the good work!

TheSkinMan · « **Reply #10 on:** February 25, 2003, 08:51:38 am »

Hear is some update shots. I am working on 6 models right now.,one i have ben working on for about 5 months,its a suprise

I am doing the TMP ship just as something fun to do to kill some times.

Atrahasis · « **Reply #11 on:** February 25, 2003, 09:28:13 am »

Well Skin, I have noticed some things about this one:

What are those large tan rectangles on the top of the saucer? Are they hatches or transporter pads, and if they are the latter why are they only on the top and not on the bottom as well, seeing as how people usually transport DOWN to a planet rather than up to it? If they are supposed to be hatches of some sort, don't you think they look like band-aids?

Also, you realize that the impulse deflection crystal is oval and not a true circle, but if you meant to do that then it makes it look like its having a hard time trying to decide whether to be an oval or a circle.

Also, the first stage magnatomic flux constrictor housing on your necalles is meshed rather blockily, the front part should have a gradient to it. But if you meant to do that then I guess its your call.

Lastly, the back of the bridge looks way too long (unless you meant to do that) and the VIP lounge is not supposed to be flat like that at the back, it's supposed to be a curve (unless you meant to do that).

Other than that, it's a start....

TheSkinMan · « **Reply #12 on:** February 25, 2003, 10:01:09 am »

Agen Atrahasis you have shown all your true self LOL.

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Savage · « **Reply #13 on:** February 25, 2003, 10:34:33 am »

Atrahasis , I have noticed some things about you. You are jealous of Skin and you'r Post's about his models and textures make you LAME!!

Please take what little dignity and respect you have now and go.

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Rod O'neal · « **Reply #14 on:** February 25, 2003, 10:51:37 am »

Quote:

Well Skin, I have noticed some things about this one:

What are those large tan rectangles on the top of the saucer? Are they hatches or transporter pads, and if they are the latter why are they only on the top and not on the bottom as well, seeing as how people usually transport DOWN to a planet rather than up to it? If they are supposed to be hatches of some sort, don't you think they look like band-aids?

Also, you realize that the impulse deflection crystal is oval and not a true circle, but if you meant to do that then it makes it look like its having a hard time trying to decide whether to be an oval or a circle.

Also, the first stage magnatomic flux constrictor housing on your necalles is meshed rather blockily, the front part should have a gradient to it. But if you meant to do that then I guess its your call.

Lastly, the back of the bridge looks way too long (unless you meant to do that) and the VIP lounge is not supposed to be flat like that at the back, it's supposed to be a curve (unless you meant to do that).

Other than that, it's a start....

Ok. What is up with this? When someone does something bad/negative to me, I ask myself, "Why is this person doing this? What are they accomplishing?" There has to be something in it for them, or why would they go through the bother?
Atra. Would you please tell us why you are doing this? What's in it for you? Do you have an axe to grind? Has Skin ever done anything to you? The only thing that you are accomplishing right now is to alienate yourself and give support to Skin. If you are trying to degrade his work or belittle him, it's backfiring. Try and look at this from a 3rd person perspective and imagine what this makes people think of you. I'd hate to see what the response would be to a model of yours if you were to post one right now. This is creating a poor atmosphere. I'm sure you aren't trying to do this. Sorry to lecture, just a bit of friendly advice.

Marauth · « **Reply #15 on:** February 25, 2003, 02:26:27 pm »

To be fair, you people are jumping on Atra a bit too quickly here, I mean I know in the other thread about the Hydran reskin, his tone was originally a bit harsh, but in his last post, he seemed perfectely reasonable to me, he simply pointed out some details on Skin's ship that are innacurate compared to the Connie/Miranda/etc. ships - asking if it was Skin's intention to depart from the canon. As for the tan rectangles, I also want to know - what the Kirk's toupé are they? My first thought was hatches, though I think Atra was a bit harsh with the band-aid thing. Seriously guys if it had been someone like me posting that post Atra made, you guys wouldn't have had a rant about it, but coz of the arguement Skin and Atra had in the other thread, people seem instantly prepared to jump to the support of Skinman, which is sad really because his post was very reasonable (possibly apart from the band-aid thing) You guys really shouldn't get so defensive about criticism, if I ever made a model I wouldn't want a dozen people saying, - 'it's great it's wonderful, you're the Messiah... etc' I would want someone to say, 'well you forgot to make that bit rounded', or 'I don't think this looks as good as it could' though if I ever made something everyone would say it was complete sh!t but that's because I lack the talent. What really got me though is that what Rod O'neal just posted - 'I'd hate to see what the response would be to a model of yours if you were to post one right now' - I can't be bothered to put the quote thingy around it. Were Atra to return to modeling now and post sommething, people should post honestly on the merits of the model, NOT because they like Skin and Atra criticised his work. Don't think I'm playing Devil's Advocate here, I'm just being impartial.

Oh and Skin, the model does look nice, but I would personally have made the impulse engine structure a little lower to the hull, but it's your model and I look forward to seeing it finished. *Ducks to avoid flaming for criticising someone's model* j/k on that last thing BTW.

Lord Schtupp · « **Reply #16 on:** February 25, 2003, 02:52:10 pm »

Perhaps the tan areas are still to be illuminated sheild/deflector emitters like on the TOS connie.

I really like the hull aztec.

Suggestion: where the warp pylons meet the primary hull I think there should be a textured "reinforced area" on the saucer texture as right now it looks a little "kitbashy".

Ok coolness people, coolness.....

TheSkinMan · « **Reply #17 on:** February 25, 2003, 04:16:35 pm »

Lord you are right thair needs to be something thair, I just have not had a good idea of what to do with that spot yet.
Still have not even started texturing the underside.

Hear is some update pics.

SkinMan

Rod O'neal · « **Reply #19 on:** February 25, 2003, 06:35:06 pm »

I was trying to make my statement as constructive as possible. I do have to say it was because of the fireworks in the other mentioned post that I said anything at all. I really didn't immediately see the problem with the "mesquito bite" post and thought that SkinMan was overreacting to Atras critique. After they exchanged comments though, it seemed to me that SkinMan was correct at taking offense. When I saw this all I could think is that it was happenning again. Atra, If you meant no insult and were offering your learned oppinon, tell me and I will issue a swift appology. This comment just seemed , to me, to be more inflamatory than the last.
As far as respecting my "superiors" goes, I do respect Atrahasis' work. A lot! He's a fantastic modeller and my comment was in no way directed at his modelling contributions to SFC.

Sakrot · « **Reply #20 on:** February 25, 2003, 11:43:04 pm »

I had hit it! *throw my old F-DD away*

Atrahasis · « **Reply #21 on:** February 26, 2003, 05:56:21 am »

You know, for those of you, inluding SkinMan, who joined this forum or started modelling say within a year or so ago or less than that, I need to remind you that the old-timers have been here ever since the game came out in I think 1999, and during APOC's heyday and the friendships that the old-time modelers made between themselves, the way we offered support was to say things truly and without frills, because this is the way we not only helped each other out but allowed the modeler to see his own work from a totally different perspective.....which is a more powerful and valuable insight than 1000 positive comments you could hear, which if you think about it are rather empty and only go to inflate one's ego more and more to the point that one actually becomes deaf to the voices of others that do not praise. Yes, it was criticism, but we spoke our minds, and we thanked each other for it. And if one can calmy hear.....really hear.....the criticism of his own work that other people had, only then could he work together with other modelers to create grand projects, like the D2 mod or what have you. If you can't stand to hear criticism......you actualy become a loner and useless to others in a project.

These days, and my other old-time modelers agree, that the new modelrs who have come on very recently are way too sensitive and like to hear only praises.....hey, not that it's up to me or whoeevr to try and save the world, but the fact is that posts these days are nothing but empty sweetness piled upon more of the same......that in a way is brainless and is just non-thought piled on non-thought. I dont know about everybopdy else, but I for one think the act of craeting something is a thinking process that involves not only the modeler but also the viewing public who wiill and should offer their input and observatiosn. Othweriwse, if you don't believe that, then you are saying that the only reason for posting your work in public is to collect praises for it. But hey, that's just my opinion.

By the way Skin, everybody else has joined up at Frost-Work's to work on sevrral new grand projects for SFC, BC, et al, you know, one of those grand collaborative projects reminiscent of the way things were a few years ago where people had to have great teamwork skills...........why aren't you there?

TheSkinMan · « **Reply #22 on:** February 26, 2003, 07:21:45 am »

Agen Atrahasis you have opened your mouth for me to only make you look dum. For one thing i am over at frostworks i am even a memeber of it. But unlike some people i dont have to be in the spotlight all the time.
I am working on a new webpage and i have asked peter the owner of fromworks to keep it hush hush till the webpage is ready for trafic. Thats why maybe you think i am not around. But Trust me i am every whear.

Now about the apoc and stuff, i have ben hear from the start, my name was not always skinman on the Taldren forums if most of you new who iw as you probly would be in shock and my oldwebpage still has the old apoc logo on,something peter pointed out to me, Because i was a memeber of apoc for a long time.

Atrahasis you realy know nothing about me and about a month now you have made every thing i do into some fight with you and and have just ben a real pain in my butt. I don't know what it is, if you just dont like me fine don't like me but dont lower your self to be a @ss just to try and piss me off, Because i just ignore it and laff at you because how dum it make you look, and ethers are geting sick of it to.

Yes i do like people i respect to poin stuff out errors with my models and textures that i could fix. But like i said its only people i respect that i realy take what thay say to heart, and after all you have said and did i have ZERO respect for you,and thats all your doing before this last month probly i would ahve taken you works to heart, but now after all you have said and did, i never will.

ChrisJohnson pointed out that my ship looked to him a little squished , i took what he said and realy looked over my work and then asked him to point it out to me so i could fix it. I have never had a problem with Chris and he dont just go from forum to forum and post to post flaming and saying stuff to piss people off. So i have respect for what he says.Atrahasis maybe you should be more like him.

What it all reay comes down to Atrahasis I realy don't care what you think of my work now, i got nothing to prove to you, no mater what you say and do i will not care.
I do the low poly models for fun and to give people something new to put in thair game, so the game don't get boring and old.

If you want to keep talking crap and doing what you do go for it, but i will just ignore you . I have no time with my 3d work to play your flame war game, i have models and textures to make.

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RipperMan · « **Reply #23 on:** February 26, 2003, 07:32:14 am »

Now Now play nice...

i cant stand flame wars on the best of days, and i can stand them even less when its about pointless things.

I dont know about other cases, but in this case certinaly Atra wasnt picking on you. The only time he said anythign wrong in that post, was that you were one of the people that have only started in the past year.

I think you took what he said to be offenceive and it wasnt...atleast to what i read. He was talking about how the community used to be, and how perhaps people in general should offer more critasism than mindless 'nice ;-)' comments.

Sometimes ofcourse we have to remember that people generally dont see anything wrong, and with artists that are as experiences are yourselfs your goign to get alot of people who generaly just like the work and have nothing bad to say.

I suggest you both either try to work out whatever these issues are OUT of the forums, or agree to disagree and be professional. I am in no way saying either of you are acting unproffesionally, its not my place to. But i am offering these statement as my advice to anyone that has similar problems.

Thanks...

Savage · « **Reply #24 on:** February 26, 2003, 07:44:27 am »

I hope Atrahasis is not working on the Frost-Work's grand projects.
RipperMan , you should take a look at skins posts you will see Atrahasis in all his post saying and trying to anger skin.

So RipperMan, are You playing the Devil's Advocate ?

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Then shall he answer you saying, Verily i say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.

Rod O'neal · « **Reply #25 on:** February 26, 2003, 07:51:17 am »

Atrahasis,
I said earlier that if you told me that your post was meant as constructive critisism, that I would apologise. You didn't direct your post directly to me and didn't come straight out and say that there was no ill intent in yours, but, if so, I'm sorry if I wronged you. I have been here less than a year, so it might have been in response to me. I actually was trying to stop any arguing.
SkinMan,
Please don't think that I am saying that I think you are wrong or have nothing to be upset about because I'm willing to say I'm sorry. I honestly can't tell you that you took it wrong, and as you have pointed out, his comments that are directed to you by name, are inacurate. To put it as gently as I know how.
I enjoy both of your modelling contributions and I hope to get more great models from you both. Hopefully, with both of you at Frost-Works, things will improve, with time.
sincerely,

TheSkinMan · « **Reply #26 on:** February 26, 2003, 07:54:56 am »

RipperMan i have tryed to stop this and just ignore Atra, and i will do it once agen to try and stop this and get some peace. But as you will see, He will not stop.
I am not a healthy person and i am having some life threating helth problems i just dont got the time or the health to deal with him and his stress any more.

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starforce2 · « **Reply #27 on:** February 26, 2003, 09:11:22 am »

here we go again. ugh.

anyways, I still wanna know what the pod is for.

TheSkinMan · « **Reply #28 on:** February 26, 2003, 09:28:54 am »

Starforce i don't know what the pod is LOL. This is my first TMP fed. I have no clue what it is, i found it on a tmp ships schematic and was thinking it looked cool so i made one and put it on my shiIp

What i realy need is some tmp schematic that shows the tmp ship or ships and the dif parts fo the ship and thair names, so i know what im looking at. I know some stuff but not as much as i would like to know.

Any help on this would be cool.

---SkinMan---

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Lord Schtupp · « **Reply #30 on:** February 26, 2003, 10:18:15 am »

To me the pod looks like a small secondary hull/navigational deflector-sensor housing or dillythium fuel storage/Orion slave girl whipping facility. Hard to tell....

Oh I was just joking about the dilythium fuel thing lol

Looks great sman

starforce2 · « **Reply #31 on:** February 26, 2003, 10:23:58 am »

the only other tmp ship I know of to have a similar device is on mindblips site, the ashton. It's under light cruisers or something..on blacktide.

TheSkinMan · « **Reply #32 on:** February 26, 2003, 11:12:45 am »

Ya i have ben to that schematics webpage, but the schematics they have dont tell you what part is what on the ships.

SkinMan

RipperMan · « **Reply #33 on:** February 27, 2003, 04:04:35 am »

Lord Bile recently did a new Constittion class at our forums, maybe u shoudl check that out ;-)

Savage · « **Reply #35 on:** February 27, 2003, 09:28:50 am »

Actually, Atrahasis all the people hear on the taldren forums the sfc3 and the bc forums know quite a bit about you . modelers who have watched you and your big fat mouth for the past year or so more closely than I have. As you might have observed I am not here for stretches of time. Let's see, the things I know about you, testified by other modelers who remmeber things from your posts:

1) You're a @#%$
2) You said your a college teacher but if you are, the schoolbord should remove you.
3) You have a ego complex you Must be making up for a small @W#$%
4) You sometimes get pissy and whiney and threaten to leave modelling for good when someone says something you dont like about your work. Or get p81 to fight your battles for you.
5) 99%of the other modelers don't like you.
6) You have not made a model in years/months and all you do is trash talk the moderls that are doing hard work.
7) Your just a jealuse lamer and we all wish you would just go a way, Realy you are lame

You have made NO honest comments about skins work , From the start you have tryed to make skin look bad, But you have only made you look bad.

Skin will never be friends with trash like you and he has never disrespected p81, if skin and p81 are having a problem its from you in the middle making problems.
Atrahasis you say skin said this, skin did this, and that. but he has not. All he did was post his work and you show up and be the noob you are and start trouble. I think you have head problems, and should get some help.
We are all sick of you and your talk.

Skin has tryed to stop this and just let it go, but you will not. Be a man and just stop before you lose what little dignity and respect you have, if you have any at all.

RipperMan now do you see what skin was saying?

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Marauth · « **Reply #36 on:** February 27, 2003, 01:28:13 pm »

Could everybody shut the F**K UP! I've been following this pointless fued for several weeks and this is worse than when Atra and Don were fighting! (Well apart from the language Don used but...) Savage, why are you posting this obvious flame? Do you really want Atra to fight with Skin? Coz it really sounds like it from your post, Atra is not an @#%$ - whatever expletive you meant by that. You have no right to judge his fitness to teach as you have no idea what he teaches or whether or not he is good at it, the penis insults are just low, he has not in my experience thrown a wobbler whenever someone criticised his work and he is not a jealous lamer and not everyone here wishes he would go away, especially not me. You insinuate that Skin and P81's problems are caused by Atra - what are you smokin, pass me some, you don't seen to have any basis for that statement other than 'I think Atra sux so I'll say he's starting fights'.

Oh and before anyone replies to this, think before you type and don't drag me into this saying that I'm Atra's rentboy or some other stupid lame-ass insults. And lastly NO-ONE better say I'm Atra under a different name. This is my last post on this thread and on any where Atra and Skin start argueing coz no one listens to me you just all seem to wanna fight with each other - why do you think this board used to get so many trolls and flamers? Coz we can't stop f**kin arguing!

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