Topic: Mr Ferrett (Read 20649 times)

moosefoof · « **on:** January 19, 2003, 01:29:29 pm »

I fail to comprehend how this game was ever released.
The bugs are so numerous, and annoying, that anyone who plays the game for 2 minutes ? ok sorry ? 5 minutes, will encounter a problem.
Given that you people made the thing I?m going ?out on a ledge here? and will assume that you also knew of these problems when you tested it.
So why did you release it? It?s not conceivable that you weren?t aware of all the fixes the game needs.

My conclusion is this.
You simply decided to release this tits up version regardless, fill your pockets, and worry about the problems and the customers later.

Cheers.

Semper · « **Reply #1 on:** January 19, 2003, 01:40:05 pm »

Welcome to the wonderful world of gaming...

BuckStrider · « **Reply #2 on:** January 19, 2003, 01:54:27 pm »

Welcome to the Wonderful World of PC Gaming...Even I wonder why i don't play console games.
Bugs are a part of it because of multiple platforms and components....That I understand
Bugs are part of ISP connections and optimizing them...That I understand

I just dont get why games that seem to be made on the PC platform have so many GAME problems

What I mean by GAME problems are the bugs that are NOT part of PC components and ISP connection issues

Vysander · « **Reply #3 on:** January 19, 2003, 02:00:25 pm »

because you can do so much more with a PC and therefore the games are far more complex (and i'm not talking graphical engine but the variety of user interfaces (mouse, keyboard, joysticks...) along with having 20+ people all in a persistant world trying to interact with a common source at the same time... etc). Also you have many different software configurations.. some linux, some windows 95, 98, me, XP, directx 8.1, 9, other... ati cards, voodoo cards, geforce cards, some with old drivers, some with new ones. Some machines with only 64 megs of ram, others with a gig...

I'm sure the game worked perfectly on their 'standard' machines which represent a broad range of computers, but i'm sure you can get hung up with most of our 'custom configs' a lot.

Game consoles work all the time because the way you program them is so exactly specified and there's no variance from xbox to xbox, but I really don't think you'll find a game like SFC on a game console due to it's complexity but rather straightforward rpgs, 1st person shooters, and sports games.

btw I hated playing simcity on my super nintendo

enjoyed it much more on a computer.

Corbomite · « **Reply #4 on:** January 19, 2003, 02:16:28 pm »

Ummm Who's "Mr. Ferrett"? Some pet of yours or something?

Aenigma · « **Reply #5 on:** January 19, 2003, 03:24:22 pm »

It could be just my imagination, but i think you actually mean mr. Ferrell. That is no pet as far as i know

I always think that it could have been worse (wow even worse? yes even worse lads

)

Aenigma

Tannhauser · « **Reply #6 on:** January 19, 2003, 03:26:20 pm »

Quote:

I always think that it could have been worse (wow even worse? yes even worse lads )

Yep, it could be Starfleet Command 3: Daggerfall, or Starfleet Command 3: Battlecruiser Millenium.

3dot14 · « **Reply #7 on:** January 19, 2003, 03:38:42 pm »

Or even "Starfleet Command 3: starfleet command 2"

moosefoof · « **Reply #10 on:** January 19, 2003, 04:41:11 pm »

no mistake.

ferrett was an intentional joke.

relating to the the furry ferret - a small mamalian creature i believe...

Subspace · « **Reply #11 on:** January 19, 2003, 04:43:10 pm »

I can understand some bugs ... but dam this game has bugs that are so bad you know they knew about them

Stil Great Game

& I hope the patch makes my Romulans better off

Jackal99 · « **Reply #12 on:** January 19, 2003, 06:15:08 pm »

bugs and BUGS are different...

bugs concerning pc-configs are "normal" (sadly) but those concerning simple game features are NOT !

2 examples:

mega bug 1: the ai ships in your fleet that self destruct after something got destroyed
ultima bug 2: after loading a save game in conquest mode the stardate is not advancing anymore

these two examples have NOTHING to do with pc configs! Everybody has these bugs regardless which pc system is used.
20 minutes of gaming in conquest mode are enough to observe bug 1 SEVERAL times.... so I simply don´t believe that this wasn´t discovered by a beta tester or taldren before the game has been released!!!!!!!!!!!

what makes me most angry is not the bug itself, but the fact that the game is out since end november (europe) and these two "specials" haven´t been fixed emmidiatly...
bug1 could be solved by simply denying the ai to use the self destruct feature... (no reason why it takes them 2 month to fix it !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

what makes me dieing is what i read in the bug report forum (old forum).. that bug 1 is still NOT fixed in the beta patch.

S'Talon tr'Khev · « **Reply #13 on:** January 19, 2003, 06:37:44 pm »

I said it a while back, that beta testers should all be fired for allowing some of these glaring bugs to sneak through, but I also have the feeling that Taldren crew were aware of them and simply decided to fix them in a latter patch...sucks but I guess that's how gamming co.'s run their show now.

DoggieMon · « **Reply #16 on:** January 19, 2003, 10:28:10 pm »

One thing that ticks me off is that in various interviews Taldren stated that they had actually finished the game a few months prior to release and that they were actually fine tuning the game so the release would be flawless. That seems to me an obvious lie. I can find the magazine where they were quoted if you need proof. I agree that Taldren MUST have been aware a some very obvious shortcomings in their product and it was released anyway. The game was relased in early November in the U.S. It seems to me that 2-3 extra weeks of development could have done wonders for this title and an early december ship date could still made the game available during the holiday shopping season. Interplay pushed the release of SFC2. I can understabd Taldren may have had no option but to swallow that. Now interplay is broke. Maybe Activision pushed the release with the knowledge of the current bugs. I can alo see how Tandren might have just to put up with it. A strong public comment from Taldren and Activision might just decide they have no further use for them in the future. As for patching, Taldren has stated that given the bureaucratic process of going through their publishers QA (I wonder if that's an actual joke) they prefer to fix as many bugs as possile and release a big patch fixing as many things as possible instead of releasing smaller patches and having to through the process for each patch. And the game has plenty to fix so there you go. They did try to relase the public beta patch to appease the public and get insight from their customers, so I think they deserve credit for that evebn if Activision pulled the plug later. But you know, there is justice after all. Activision's stocks are already tumbling in Wall Street after they announced that the next economic report won't fulfill expectations. Keep releasing buggy games Activision and we know where you will end up, bought by a French company and then to read Chapter 11primer. Taldren will find another publisher and sell SFC4: The Buggy Frontier. The people will vote with their wallets and the managers will blame them as "not being ready" or "being saturated."

And BTW, I have bought and enjoyed ALL the SFC titles. Despite their bugs the games are good enough to have a cult following. Not many puclishers achieve that. But I might just wait and see when they release the inevitable expansion pack. Something Activision might actually do to help the franchise is h ave all the bugs fixed by Taldren and then publish SFC3: Gold Edition (I think they did that ffor SFC1) with extra campaigns. That seems to be working for some other games, Tribes 2 come to mind.

just my 2 cents

Doug

Hale · « **Reply #18 on:** January 19, 2003, 10:59:40 pm »

Its all true though.

If Taldren is concerned about people saying their games are buggy, maybe they should put more (some?) effort into making them not buggy in the first place.

This point can be (and has been argued), but I believe Taldren's products are of below average quality. Not even close to the industry standard of "buggyness". SFCII:OP and SFCIII are virtually unplayable IMO.

If they'd like me to stop bitching, please contact me about refunding my $14.95 I overpaid for SFCII:OP in the bargin bin.

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