Topic: How many phasers? (Read 3498 times)

ganymad · « **on:** February 21, 2004, 04:16:47 am »

im playing around with my shiplist and i want to make the canon ships as accurate as possible.
but i have some problems in finding resources without contradictions.
im intrested how many weapons are on these ships.

heres what i use in my shiplist:(btw: i use phaser 2 as the standart federation phaser;phaser 1 as megaphasercanons;dis3 as standart klink disruptor;dis 4 as disruptors wich have big guns (like those on the wingtips of the bop; h-phot as standart klingon torpedo)

oberth: 2phaser (both FA); 1photon(FA)
mirinda: 14phaser 2(4 FA ; 4 SFBR ; 4 SFBL ; 2 RA ); 2photons(2 FARA ; 2 FARA); 2phaser1 (1 RH ;1 FH)
enterprise:18 phaser 2 (4 FA ; 4 SFBR ; 4 SFBL ; 4 ALL ; 2 RA) ;4 photons (2 FA ; 2 FA ; )
constellaston:14 phaser 2 (4 FA ; 4 SFBR ; 4 SFBL ; 2 RA) ; 8 photons ( 2 FA ; 2 FA ; 2 FA ; 2 FA)
excelsior: 20 phaser 2 (4 FA ; 4 RLL ; 4 FLL ;4 SFBR ; 4 SFBL) ; 8 photons ( 2 FA ; 2 FA ; 2 RA ; 2 RA)
excelsior refit: 22 phaser 2 (4 FA ; 4 RLL ; 4 FLL ;4 SFBR ; 4 SFBL ; 2RA) ; 8 photons ( 2 FA ; 2 FA ; 2 RA ; 2 RA)

im pretty sure about the oberth , mirinda and the enterprise but not with the excelsiors (some reference say it doesnt have rear torpedoes and some say it only has 16 phasers (the studio model shows 20 - all on the saucer. Same problem with the sonstellation.some reference say 12 phasers, some say 14 , some say 17 while i once read 24 phasers and 16 torpedo tubes!!! [a bit too much i think]).

no problems with the klinks:

bop: 2 dis4(1 FA ; 1 FA) ; 1 h-phot (1 FA)
ktinga: 8 dis 3(1 FLL ;1 RLL ; 2FLL ; 2 RLL ; 1 LRR ; 1 RRR) ; 2 h- phot (1 FA ; 1 RA)

just for comparism: emprorors class battlecruiser (used as kcx):18 dis 3(2 FLL ; 2 RLL ; 3 FA ; 3 FA ; 2 FARA ; 2 FARA ;2 RRR ; 3 LRR) ; 3 h-phot(1 FA ; 1 FA ; 1 RA) [quit a beast, isnt it?]

any ideas on the constellation and the excelsiors?
(the models shows 14 , the excelsior had 26 - i removed 6 of them)

thanx,

ed

DestinyCalling · « **Reply #1 on:** February 21, 2004, 07:17:03 am »

How do you work out 4 photorps for the Enterprise????

Marauth · « **Reply #2 on:** February 21, 2004, 07:17:47 am »

The Excelsior does indeed have 26 phasers - an aditional 2 on the rear cargo bay (the clamshell that most people think is the shuttlebay but that's another debate for another thread) presumably RA arc, and 4 ALL arc on the underside same as the Enterprise. It definetely has the rear torpedos - they're on that large grey extension on the rear underside - 2 nice big tubes clearly visible.

I have no clue as to where the rear firing phasers on the Constellation would go but it makes sense that it would have them otherwise it's completely undefended on the rear arc which is very bad so I'd guess it does have them. BTW don't'ya think 8 torps is a bit much for the Constellation? 4 launchers firing twice per turn is quite a hefty drain on the power on normal - no overloads for you sonny. Though with SFB screwed up rules on power coming from the nacelles

Khalee · « **Reply #3 on:** February 21, 2004, 07:20:23 am »

Thoes phasers on the bottom of the refit Enterprise were put there to cover that arc, the Enterprise still can only fire one bank at a time can't fire both banks at once unless you make it a x ship

But are you puting these up to FASA specs If so I got the book and can give you the Specs from it if you want.

Marauth · « **Reply #4 on:** February 21, 2004, 08:03:33 am »

Unless he's seriously upping the power that these ships have there's no way they'll be able to move, power shields and charge weapons at the same time but it seems to me that as long as all the ships are specced in this way i.e. closer to canon then it should all balance out in a weird way. The problem with the saucer phasers is that there simply aren't enough hardpoints to allow for the 8 separate banks of phasers together with 2 separate torp launchers.

Edit: BTW I just for a laugh thought I'd give the Ulysses classes weapons loadout if you count all the weapons:

52 individual phasers - that's in 25 banks, 11 banks of 2 on the top and 11 banks of 2 on the bottom of the saucer, 4 on the underside and 2 banks of 2 each on the aft arc. Then torpedos - assuming the same fire rate of 2 torps per turn from a single launcher that makes 6 launchers firing 12 torps per turn - 8 fore and 4 aft.

This was using WickedZombie's USS Babylon model BTW. God only help us if he ever does a Missouri or Yamato

ganymad · « **Reply #5 on:** February 21, 2004, 08:19:42 am »

excelsior underside of the secondary hull - there are yellow markings but no phaser balls like they are on the saucer:

http://www.shiporama.org/Excelsior/hull/jeinexcl16.jpg

http://www.shiporama.org/Excelsior/saucer/jeinexcl18.jpg

http://www.shiporama.org/Excelsior/saucer/jeinexcl22.jpg

same on the excelsior refit but no markings on the secondary hull:

http://www.shiporama.org/Images/Excelsior/lakota4.jpg

and nothing at all on the rear cargo bay:

http://www.shiporama.org/Images/Excelsior/excel2.jpg

i read somewhere that the enterprise b has phasers between those 2 big tubes at the end of the hull. the excelsior doesnt seem to have them:

http://www.shiporama.org/Excelsior/hull/jeinexcl11.jpg

i use the the same number of phasers as the ships number of emitters. scince i use phaser 2 for fed ships it doesnt get too strong + the arcs are pretty bad.

8 torpedoes on the constellation might sound a bit uber but believe me it isnt. the ship has a 45 centerwarp (to simulate a single warpcore) 10 impulse (2x5 enterprise impulse engines) and 4 reactors + 4 battery. combined with a move cost of 1.1 and only 2 phaser 2 for rear defense and only 4 phaser 2 for side defence it is actually quit easy to destroy and to outmanouver (class D).
sure it could have more energy to handle all those torpedoes but it already can move with a speed up to 11 when they recharge. overload stops that ship if the phasers reload simultaniusly. but when everything is charged it goes up to 23.
still quit fast. btw. its not supposed to run all of the photons on overload.1 or 2 launchers on overload and it bits like it had12 photons wich is up to 96 points of damage. all forward weapons together ( 4 ph2,2ph1,8photons will give a maximum
alpha strike of 138 points! if u take the left,right and aft phasers offline u can overload all torpedoes + a bit of speed.that will give u a nice punch of max. 234. sure the firepower has its price. but when specing that ship i had canon and big fleet engagements in mind. 8 photons sit very well for a artillery cruiser dont u think?anyway - this treat wasnt about energy management it was about the number of emitters and weapon specs, wanst it?

[damn i love this place! ]
i use it as a cb as a kind of artillery ship. its easily beaten with a warriors anger kcc with 14 disruptors an 3 heavy photons.disruptors can be overloaded, phaser 2 cant. but i admit - my constellation has quit a punch in its forward arc

but nothing compared with my fdn (p81s yorktown) only 14 phasers but 12 photons forward. BUT little more energy than a conny , same shields and hull. it only has its forward firepower to survive.
my fdnh (ulysses packs 24 phaser 2 ( 4 FA ; 4 RLL ;4 LLL ; 4 FH ; 4 RH ; 4 RA) 12 photons (2 FA ; 2 FA ; 2 FA ; 2 FA ; 2 RA ; 2RA) i dont use a fed BB , thats why i made the fdnh so strong.

btw. i didnt put 4 torp launchers onto the enterprise. it uses a 2x2FA torplaunchers. my reliant uses 2x2FARA torplaunchers.
actually i always put double lauchers for every tube onto my fed ships (1exception: oberth only uses 1 single 1FA tube)

and , nope , i dont go for fasa rules (thax anyway

) i use my rules but i want to keep the number of phaser emetirs corect to the studio models.i posted this just to find out what u think and to see if u have informations i could not find on the net:)
i dont intend to say:my specs are the only cool ones. No , i just want to know what u think. its not my aim to give offence

greatings,

ed

ganymad · « **Reply #6 on:** February 21, 2004, 11:43:22 am »

bump

i know , i know,

but hey im just curios.
any thoughts, hints,suggestions?

what specs do you use for thos ships?
enterprise A
oberth
mirinda
excelsior
enterprise B
constellation
ktinga
warriors anger
emperor
firehawk
killerhawk

btw. i DO use wz`s ulysses but i retextured it and now it has the maximum of phasers the ui has to offer. exactly 24.
the excact specs are in the download of my retexture. just import them in shipedit and try them out. u will see the ship can move quit good

Klingon Fanatic · « **Reply #7 on:** February 21, 2004, 11:52:12 am »

Ganymad,

Go here for Klingon Academy specs:

http://www.3dactionplanet.com/klingonacademy/archive/kanews/archives/archive_1299.html

Also PLEASE do a post of your Romulan retexture WIPs.

Qapla!

KF

ganymad · « **Reply #8 on:** February 21, 2004, 12:06:55 pm »

thanx kf. ill tkae a look at that site

u want a wip? u get a wip. check back in 3 or 4 hours. when i get home ill post some pics ok?

btw: id love to see wz do a yamato! i would retexture it thats for sure to fit in the style of the other models i use.
probably he will put about 80 phasers on them (sounds lethal doesnt it? >:) )

and maybe , if i get it ready ill post a pic of something i began last night ..something big...something klingon...it was inspired by a pic posted here by kf i think. i redid it and i added some details to it...
hey kf..guess what it could be ?

Terradyhne · « **Reply #9 on:** February 21, 2004, 12:17:50 pm »

that are the specs for weapons i use for some of those ships

Excelsior: 16 phaserbanks of 2 each (4 forward,2 rear,4 port,4 starboard and 2 lower) 4 torps (2 forward,2 rear)
Oberth: 1 phaser forward no torps
Constellation: 6 phaser of 2 each (2 forward,2 port,2 starboard,1 lower) 2 torpbays of 2 each (2 forward,2 rear)
Constitution refit: 9 phasers of 2 each (2 forward,1 rear,2 port, 2 starboard,2 lower) 1 torpbay of 2 each (1 forward)
Miranda: 6 phasers of 2 each (2 forward,2 port,2 starboard) 2 mega phasers (2 forward/rear) 2 torpbays of 2 each (1 forward,1 rear

Marauth · « **Reply #10 on:** February 21, 2004, 12:23:59 pm »

Quote:

excelsior underside of the secondary hull - there are yellow markings but no phaser balls like they are on the saucer:

http://www.shiporama.org/Excelsior/hull/jeinexcl16.jpg

http://www.shiporama.org/Excelsior/saucer/jeinexcl18.jpg

http://www.shiporama.org/Excelsior/saucer/jeinexcl22.jpg

same on the excelsior refit but no markings on the secondary hull:

http://www.shiporama.org/Images/Excelsior/lakota4.jpg

and nothing at all on the rear cargo bay:

http://www.shiporama.org/Images/Excelsior/excel2.jpg

i read somewhere that the enterprise b has phasers between those 2 big tubes at the end of the hull. the excelsior doesnt seem to have them:

http://www.shiporama.org/Excelsior/hull/jeinexcl11.jpg

I should point out that that was Greg Jein's Excelsior (as the URLs state) and so isn't the Excelsior from the films and is only a replica - it was made for the Voyager episode Flashback as the original had already been converted to the Enterprise-B - speaking of which the phasers would normally be where the big gaping hole of the model stand is - that would explain no markings LOL. It just seems ludicrous to me that Starfleet would build it's brand new ubership and not give it any phasers to cover the secondary hull.

Point conceded on the fantail phasers though

http://www.starshipmodeler.com/trek/lakota-17.jpg

This is of the actual studio model in it's Lakota version - they only changed the engines, nacelles and secondary hull - the rest is all paint scheme alterations.

http://www.starshipmodeler.com/trek/lakota-37.jpg

See what I mean about the support being where the phasers would be?

ganymad · « **Reply #11 on:** February 21, 2004, 12:54:07 pm »

i see i see. hm - i thik i got to do some more research

ill post what ill find

ganymad · « **Reply #12 on:** February 21, 2004, 02:46:08 pm »

fury of the seraph is right - the excelsior HAS those 4 phasers on the underside of the hull. i havent found pics of the excelsior before it was refited to the lakota type but most model sites (physical models) have quit good pictures of the excelsior. and the companies who make those kits most likely have seen the studiomodel or at least has been given the information that the ship has those 4 phasers.at least every model i could find has them. so i think we can assume thet the excelsior has 24 phaser emitters.so far so good. my excelsior uses aft torp launchers but on some reference sites i found
they only list 2 fore torpedo tubes. but its balanced - about 50 percent say it has them , about 50 percent says no.
i think it has them - would be quit embaressing when such a small ship like the mirinda has aft tubes and the new pride of the fleet doesent.
the excelsior b seems to have 2 RA phasers between the torptubes - at least there is an upgrade kit for a physical model wich clearly shows a double phaser array. this makes 24 for the excelsior and 26 for the ent B.
some reference says they are lokated under the cargobay at the end of the saucer some say its close to the shuttlebay close to the phasers we talked about. however -whereever they might sit it doesnt make a difference in handling.
no information on the constellation - at least i havent found anything usefull.ill keep on searching.
has wickedzombie ever mentioned something about a possible missuri or yamato lately?

Fury_of_a_Seraph · « **Reply #13 on:** February 21, 2004, 02:51:57 pm »

Umm...i didnt say anything about this topic....*shrug*

Parislord · « **Reply #14 on:** February 21, 2004, 03:15:58 pm »

I usually determine the total number of phasers on the cannon model, then divide in half for the 2-d nature of SFC, since you have to figure that having an equal number of emitters on the dorsal/ventral is for spherical coverage.

Marauth

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