Topic: A question. NO LAUGHING ALLOWED! (Read 5550 times)

J'inn · « **on:** February 23, 2003, 02:11:29 am »

OKAY I GIVE UP!!

<puts on dunce cap>

I have SFB Volumes 1 through 3. They're colectting dust in my closet.

I played the game with friends maybe twice in my life. I liked it. My friends did not.

That's all I know about SFB.

So . . . .

What the heck is Federation & Empire??

Please: no pointing and laughing.

Holocat · « **Reply #1 on:** February 23, 2003, 02:20:18 am »

From what I know, which is less than you in SFB since I don't own ANY SFB material and did not hear of the game before I found, quite by accident, SFC, Federation and Empire was the strategy game that mated with SFB. Perhaps similar to what the dynaverse was to resemble? From what I have heard, it allowed one to play as the leader(s) of their respective nations and use this to 'generate' battles of a sort for the commodores/captains of SFB. From the advertisment I have so far read you can, "Play out the entire general war," though this would, from the same statment, take years.

I think someone with more F&E experience should now elaborate,

Holocat.

Marcus Smythe · « **Reply #2 on:** February 23, 2003, 02:23:49 am »

Jinn... Federation and Empire is what us freaks and geeks do when running a multi CVA, Federation vs Kzinti duel, you know, dronewaves in the hundreds, gets boring, straightforward, and simple.

Basically, Federation and Empire lets you run the General War. From the opening action as the Heroic Lyran and Klingon forces defend themselves from Hydran and Kzinit aggression, right up to the place where the Colaition takes earth and wins. (It is belived by >50% of the players that there is some imbalance in the baseline General War scenario... but its STILL great fun)

Other scenarios for more limited engagements, ISC invasion, all that good stuff. Move aroudn counters. Count economic points. See the horror that is your first three battlelines vanishing into pyrotechnics over Hydrax.

FireSoul · « **Reply #3 on:** February 23, 2003, 02:35:40 am »

Quote:

From what I know, which is less than you in SFB since I don't own ANY SFB material and did not hear of the game before I found, quite by accident, SFC, Federation and Empire was the strategy game that mated with SFB. Perhaps similar to what the dynaverse was to resemble? From what I have heard, it allowed one to play as the leader(s) of their respective nations and use this to 'generate' battles of a sort for the commodores/captains of SFB. From the advertisment I have so far read you can, "Play out the entire general war," though this would, from the same statment, take years.

I think someone with more F&E experience should now elaborate,

Pretty much.
.. the D2 map is based on F&E. When 2 opposing fleets meet, there's a choice:
- statistically decide what happens.. based on die rolls.. and conclude casulties, etc.
- move on to SFB and play it out, the long way.

.. F&E can indeed take years, but I am convinced a good computerized front-end would settle that nicely.
Have you seen the ADB post about their brief history of the General War ?
.. imagine a game set-up to do just that.. all of that.

-- Luc
FireSoul

J'inn · « **Reply #4 on:** February 23, 2003, 02:39:31 am »

So . . .

Are we basically talking about an EAW type game with a much much better Dynaverse engine that uses an Order of Battle, much better fleet controls, etc etc?? Sounds like it.

If the engine allows for lots of campaign side modifications. Adjustments by the Admins, I mean: Such as adjusting the OoB, fleet sizes, etc; It would be cool.

Corbomite · « **Reply #5 on:** February 23, 2003, 02:41:22 am »

All that has been posted is true, but if you want an analogy of F&E it's like Risk for SFB.

DONOTDELETE · « **Reply #8 on:** February 23, 2003, 06:00:35 pm »

All good posts, but not getting into the nuts and bolts of how it works...

You control EVERYTHING in your Empire(s). (REALLY a pain in the ass when you control more than one Empire, you need a player for each!)

You control diplomatic relations with planets in your empire, and with other Empires. You set which starships are going to be built, which variants of which starships are going to be built, etc. How many ships get the "+" upgrade this year, EVERYTHING.

Ship combat can be resolved strategically, by a die-roll ( An F-CA almost always beats a K-D6, etc) OR you can resolve individual combats with SFB. WARNING:::: THIS option will make individual turns take WEEKS/MONTHS and games take YEARS!!!!

Which really kicks ass, but makes for a bitch when Thanksgiving comes and you need the big table!

Have a nice day!

Tulmahk · « **Reply #9 on:** February 23, 2003, 07:40:29 pm »

Just an observation, but I've always found it strange that this game people defend so fervently here (SFB), 99% of the copies ever issued of it are sitting in closets gathering dust. My own copy is in the same state.

DONOTDELETE · « **Reply #10 on:** February 23, 2003, 07:47:58 pm »

Perhaps 99% of the copies YOU are aware of, lol.

SFB is still actively played around the country/world in tournaments, including Origins. Many hobby shops have groups that game on a regular basis, and proably do so in your area as well.

Granted, however, it is much harder to find play time and players in the age of 500 channels, DVD Trek, Xbox, PC gaming, streaming internet porn, etc.

Have a nice day!

3dot14 · « **Reply #12 on:** February 23, 2003, 08:29:52 pm »

For the analogy, I was thinking of the Total War series of computer games.

You get to control the provincial economy, buildings constructions, units trainings. and When a conflict needs to be fought, either the computer can do it auto or you can go in the fight it yourself.

(BTW I am totally hooked on Medieval Total War... Except I haven't found the counter unit to Nubian Spearmen in Early era yet, and they are massacreing me.

)

J'inn · « **Reply #15 on:** February 23, 2003, 02:11:29 am »

OKAY I GIVE UP!!

<puts on dunce cap>

I have SFB Volumes 1 through 3. They're colectting dust in my closet.

I played the game with friends maybe twice in my life. I liked it. My friends did not.

That's all I know about SFB.

So . . . .

What the heck is Federation & Empire??

Please: no pointing and laughing.

Holocat · « **Reply #16 on:** February 23, 2003, 02:20:18 am »

From what I know, which is less than you in SFB since I don't own ANY SFB material and did not hear of the game before I found, quite by accident, SFC, Federation and Empire was the strategy game that mated with SFB. Perhaps similar to what the dynaverse was to resemble? From what I have heard, it allowed one to play as the leader(s) of their respective nations and use this to 'generate' battles of a sort for the commodores/captains of SFB. From the advertisment I have so far read you can, "Play out the entire general war," though this would, from the same statment, take years.

I think someone with more F&E experience should now elaborate,

Holocat.

Marcus Smythe · « **Reply #17 on:** February 23, 2003, 02:23:49 am »

Jinn... Federation and Empire is what us freaks and geeks do when running a multi CVA, Federation vs Kzinti duel, you know, dronewaves in the hundreds, gets boring, straightforward, and simple.

Basically, Federation and Empire lets you run the General War. From the opening action as the Heroic Lyran and Klingon forces defend themselves from Hydran and Kzinit aggression, right up to the place where the Colaition takes earth and wins. (It is belived by >50% of the players that there is some imbalance in the baseline General War scenario... but its STILL great fun)

Other scenarios for more limited engagements, ISC invasion, all that good stuff. Move aroudn counters. Count economic points. See the horror that is your first three battlelines vanishing into pyrotechnics over Hydrax.

J'inn · « **Reply #19 on:** February 23, 2003, 02:39:31 am »

So . . .

Are we basically talking about an EAW type game with a much much better Dynaverse engine that uses an Order of Battle, much better fleet controls, etc etc?? Sounds like it.

If the engine allows for lots of campaign side modifications. Adjustments by the Admins, I mean: Such as adjusting the OoB, fleet sizes, etc; It would be cool.

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