Topic: Does anyone remember Raistlin?  (Read 9447 times)

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Tremok

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Re: Does anyone remember Raistlin?
« Reply #40 on: February 13, 2004, 03:59:35 pm »
 Drizzt and Salvatore? Salvatore is an adequate writer, but hardly among the likes of Tolkien or Weis/Hickman.    

Taldren_Admin

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Re: Does anyone remember Raistlin?
« Reply #41 on: February 13, 2004, 07:40:09 pm »
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Somebody should make a series of movies involving RA Salvatore's Dark Elf characters    



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Sirgod

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Re: Does anyone remember Raistlin?
« Reply #42 on: February 13, 2004, 07:43:34 pm »
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 Drizzt and Salvatore? Salvatore is an adequate writer, but hardly among the likes of Tolkien or Weis/Hickman.    




hehe, My step son Chris has been in one of there books , A short story thingie...

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Dash Jones

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Re: Does anyone remember Raistlin?
« Reply #43 on: February 14, 2004, 08:42:08 am »
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Bah! I'm still upset with Sturm's death. I didn't particularly care for the other characters, so I have been hesititant to read other series beyond the chronicles. Besides, it seems that Sturm's tale is not uncommon in Dragonlance. Flint dies, Tanis dies, Riverwind dies, Tas dies, Goldmoon dies, Laurana dies, everyone dies. I can take tradegy, but to a point. Life is depressing enough as is.

PS,  *Paladine* was the god's name wasn't it?  
 




Yes, Paladine WAS his name (emphasis on was).

jualdeaux

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Re: Does anyone remember Raistlin?
« Reply #44 on: February 14, 2004, 09:35:05 am »
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 Drizzt and Salvatore? Salvatore is an adequate writer, but hardly among the likes of Tolkien or Weis/Hickman.    




This could be very true, but they are entertaining.

Dash Jones

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Re: Does anyone remember Raistlin?
« Reply #45 on: February 14, 2004, 10:39:41 am »
I'd say Salvatore overall in writing style is a DIFFERENT writing style, but wouldn't say Tolkien or Hickman/Weiss were better.

How does one judge who is the better writer?

Active vs. passive tense?

In which case Salvatore is hands down better than Tolkien...

Backstory and the incorporation of literature and mythological elements?

In which case Tolkien is hands down the better writer...


The interesting thing about this is the matter of opinion.

Currently I think Tolkien will have a bigger impact on literature...which is how people get classics...either that which has a bigger impact on literature, statments about society, or popularity...

But I wouldn't say that defines who is a better writer...or not.

That instead is a matter of opinion.

Writers of Classics are hardly ever the best writers of their times...only the most noted...

Tolkien himself...of interest...or rather his books...were in obscurity in regards to popularity for years...and considered rather useless as they were childrens and young adult books (which is ironic considering the current views of them and the context they are put into with the movies).

In a counter to Tolkien one could always look at CS Lewis's fantasies for children as well (I'd put Tolkien for more of an older audience...but as stated, as started with the Hobbit, they were more directed for a youthful audience of the time...hence my parents and grandparents generations...or perhaps the arena in between when the books were written).  CS Lewis ironically was considered the greater writer at the time overall...and Tolkien the one who wrote interesting but insignificant books (of course most fantasies back then were for children...looking at the context of the times.  The closest to fantasy for adults in mainstream was...Science Fiction!).

CS Lewis also wrote many other books, which were considered adult in material...even though some of them were more fantasy in many ways.

It is only in the past years AFTER Tolkien's death that these books have started to be considered classics and gain popularity, and even, as akin to most fantasy, much of which has been inspired, intentionally or unintentionally, by Tolkien's Trilogy.

Of course, of interest is that many of the fans of Tolkien before his death were university students...and the Hobbit was actually in regards, overall more popular than the Trilogy.

However, I would say that Tolkien will be considered a classic in years to come, as far as the English language is concerned, for changing the face of what was seen as fantasy.  Fantasy existed before Tolkien, but fantasy as per today, with adult Fantasy, was more the range of collectors of such items As Andrew Lang, who appealled to both adult and children.  Now Fantasy is seen as more of an adult taste, at least along the lines of Tolkien Fantasy...which in many ways, has created an entirely NEW genre of literature.

In that, obviously he would be considered as much of a classical writer as the likes of Jules Verne, or HG Wells.

But better?  That's a matter of opinion I would say.

 

Tremok

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Re: Does anyone remember Raistlin?
« Reply #46 on: February 14, 2004, 01:25:29 pm »
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 Drizzt and Salvatore? Salvatore is an adequate writer, but hardly among the likes of Tolkien or Weis/Hickman.    




This could be very true, but they are entertaining.  




True, if you can stand the constant preaching. I managed to get to the last book of the Seige of Darkness series before I could stand it no longer. I might pick it up later once my irritation settles down.

Also too elf centered, I felt.
 
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Soreyes

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Re: Does anyone remember Raistlin?
« Reply #47 on: February 20, 2004, 05:35:39 am »
The Raistlin that we all Know and Love

   

JMM

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Does anyone remember Raistlin?
« Reply #48 on: February 11, 2004, 06:59:02 pm »
late 80's, was a series of books, he was weak in body but strong in spirit, dealt with his light and dark side. I believe his brother was a warrior named Carrimon? Does anyone know those books? If the director of LOTR did that one, he'd be a very wealthy person indeed.  

Matsukasi

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Re: Does anyone remember Raistlin?
« Reply #49 on: February 11, 2004, 07:10:39 pm »
Yeah, Raistlin and Caramon are in a couple of the Dragonlance series of books.  

JMM

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Re: Does anyone remember Raistlin?
« Reply #50 on: February 11, 2004, 07:12:31 pm »
Gracias! I loved that series! You da man!

Raistlin died, right?  

EE

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Re: Does anyone remember Raistlin?
« Reply #51 on: February 11, 2004, 07:14:08 pm »
I have that set of books... I dont think Raistlin died.

JMM

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Re: Does anyone remember Raistlin?
« Reply #52 on: February 11, 2004, 07:15:52 pm »
But Raistlin was so sick, just strong in mind, and he went through dark and light. He was coughing up blood if I remember the series?

That series rocked. Who was the cleric?  

EmeraldEdge

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Re: Does anyone remember Raistlin?
« Reply #53 on: February 11, 2004, 07:31:11 pm »
At the end of the second trilogy, I believe Raistlin became a god didn't he?  His hourglass eyes became a constellation in the sky, it seems like.

I loved the first trilogy a lot, and would love to see it become a movie someday, but only if it was done with at least the quality of LOTR movies.  I fear though, that since LOTR was so popular that studios will thing they can spew out any fantasy license as a movie with lackluster quality and expect to make huge amounts of money (LOTR was taking some big chances to get made).  That always happens when a film comes out and defines a genre, all the crap comes out after and they say "oh, people are tired of this type of movie" when in fact they are just tired of bad movies of that type.  

EE

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Re: Does anyone remember Raistlin?
« Reply #54 on: February 11, 2004, 07:39:13 pm »
I dont remember his name but I do remeber he was a cleric of Sune. There was also Cyric who took Bane's place. You know, its likely in the D&D Mini's that they may end up making all of them as figures in the future.

Soreyes

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Re: Does anyone remember Raistlin?
« Reply #55 on: February 11, 2004, 10:38:20 pm »
 
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At the end of the second trilogy, I believe Raistlin became a god didn't he? His hourglass eyes became a constellation in the sky, it seems like.
 




At the End of the Second Trilagy. Rastlin gave up his Quest to be a God, after Caramon showed him that he would rule over a Dead world. Rastlin closed the Gateway to the Abyss with him still in the Abyss. Paladin in the end saved him and placed him in a place that he could "Rest"

In later books Rastlin does return. Once he came back to give the Staff of Magus to his Nephew Palan.

I would love to see a move of "The Test Of The Twins"  

EmeraldEdge

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Re: Does anyone remember Raistlin?
« Reply #56 on: February 11, 2004, 11:27:18 pm »
Aha, thanks for the refresher.  As soon as I read it it all came flooding back, of course.  I even read the story where he comes back to give the staff, so I was thinking "Duh!". lol.  

JMM

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Re: Does anyone remember Raistlin?
« Reply #57 on: February 11, 2004, 11:39:25 pm »
Paladin, I remember now, thanks Soreyes!  

Dash Jones

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Re: Does anyone remember Raistlin?
« Reply #58 on: February 11, 2004, 11:42:39 pm »
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I dont remember his name but I do remeber he was a cleric of Sune. There was also Cyric who took Bane's place. You know, its likely in the D&D Mini's that they may end up making all of them as figures in the future.  




Uhm, I think you're talking about a different series.  It's called the Avatar series or something.  The clerics name is Adon I believe...and other companions would involve Kelemvor and the lady who became the new Mistress of Magic, Midnight or something was her original name.

Dragonlance is actually STILL going along...though I think the only books really worth reading are those by Wiess and Hickman.  Raistlin has an interesting history...and yes...he's dead...but no he's not...you'd have to read the next duology and then the War of Souls trilogy...it kind of goes like...

Chronicles Trilogy - original dragonlance trilogy
Legends Trilogy - Raistlin and Caramon trilogy mainly, with some others added in
The Next Generation Duology - includes infamous Dragons of the Summer Flame
The War of Souls Trilogy - Okay fare.

There's another trilogy NOT written by Weiss and Hickman, but the writing is so bad that I suggest not touching it with a five foot pole, despite the fact that some read it and think it's vital (it's too bad it covers some important Dragonlance History, but the writing is so bad...it's not even worth reading...it's down and out, the worst writing I have EVER read...and I've read some pretty bad stuff from some classmates at school).

 

Soreyes

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Re: Does anyone remember Raistlin?
« Reply #59 on: February 12, 2004, 02:46:56 am »
 
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There's another trilogy NOT written by Weiss and Hickman, but the writing is so bad that I suggest not touching it with a five foot pole, despite the fact that some read it and think it's vital (it's too bad it covers some important Dragonlance History, but the writing is so bad...it's not even worth reading...it's down and out, the worst writing I have EVER read...and I've read some pretty bad stuff from some classmates at school).
 




Oh yeah!!!!  I think those books were trying to flesh out some of the Minor players that were in the Dragonlance saga. A lot of the writing for those books was real bad. There were a few good books. The one about Lord Soth was very good I thought.