Topic: Berman going? Let it be true (Read 8794 times)

Aoav160 · « **on:** January 30, 2004, 08:15:45 pm »

http://www.cinescape.com/0/editorial.asp?aff_id=0&this_cat=Television&action=page&type_id=&cat_id=&obj_id=40707

Still unconfirmed but it would be nice

Magnum357 · « **Reply #1 on:** January 31, 2004, 12:24:34 am »

Well, its still just a rumor. Berman should have never have tried too do a "Star Wars" and make a prequel series. Just too complicated, and too easy too alienate fans that way. Even Star Wars alienated a few Star Wars fans when Episode 1 came out.

Age · « **Reply #2 on:** February 24, 2004, 04:49:33 pm »

I 'll second that Magnums357 .I still wished thet would bring everybodys favourite Captian back to life yes Captian James T Kirk.He was and still is the best he broke all the rules and just think we would not of had Orion Pirates without his piece of action.He broke the rules that is why we can do it to.I say thank-you Captian Kirk.

EmeraldEdge · « **Reply #3 on:** February 24, 2004, 05:42:00 pm »

I don't see a problem with a prequel, but they did it all wrong, disregarding everything that was supposed to happen later, and just throwing stuff out there. Bad news, when you have a hard core base of fans. News Flash: Alienating a large segment of your viewership is bad for buisness. lol.

I actually think this cast is pretty good (the best one in a long while) but the show definitely needs help. There are a fews things of interest that pop up from time to time, but they always just blow by them and scoot towards the old standby/filler plots. Oh, well. Here's hopin' B&B finally get the axe.

On a side note, it's interesting to not the filler shows, and they are bumping it to 9 in March, right when Steven King's Kingdom Hospital premieres. They just can't get away from anything in the similar genre. I wonder if Kingdom will continue to hurt it?

SL-Punisher · « **Reply #4 on:** February 24, 2004, 06:13:42 pm »

::goes back to stabbing Rick Berman voodoo doll with pins::

NannerSlug · « **Reply #5 on:** February 24, 2004, 08:47:54 pm »

doing a prequel is not a bad thing.

doing the whole temporal cold war/ time garbage/ xindi stuff is.

we want to talk more about getting back to basics.. you know - klingons, romulans, etc.. (andorians and tholians show up more frequently?)

TOCXOBearslayer · « **Reply #6 on:** February 24, 2004, 09:17:51 pm »

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doing the whole temporal cold war/ time garbage/ xindi stuff is.

But this is what Berman wanted to do from the begining.... he wanted 'time cops' from a future Federation..... he was forced to do a prequel and added the time cops element anyways.

Fire his @$$.... they should make the Sulu/Excelsior adventures before George Takei gets to damn old....

EmeraldEdge · « **Reply #7 on:** February 24, 2004, 09:34:48 pm »

Sadly George is getting pretty old, but I'd still like to see him in action. I would have loved to see Captain Sulu and the Excelsior rather than most of the Trek series we've been given (heck, I'd rather watch that than TNG, DS9, or Voyager). It's obvious B&B do what they want, as it's always about some temporal/time something or other. They need to go, and if I were the guys in charge I would have been pretty angry when they went and did the prequel as their time traveller story instead of doing it properly.

Heck, I think some of the stuff between the Andorians and the Vulcans could make for some really good T.V., but they never really go where they need to, they just use it as window dressing for filler episodes. Sad, really.

David Ferrell · « **Reply #9 on:** February 24, 2004, 10:37:45 pm »

When I saw George Takei back in 2001 during an OP recording
session, he was still pretty spry. However, time is a ticking.

Later,

Dave

feargusf · « **Reply #11 on:** February 24, 2004, 11:07:25 pm »

Kirk did get it briefly, if you read the DC Comics series of that time. It's not canon, but it was pretty cool.

I would also love to see the Sulu/Excelsior series, but I doubt it will happen. Would have been a great idea ten years ago. I bet it would have been waaaaaaay better than Voyager.

20/20 hindsight. George Takei will not appeal to a young audience, and that's what Viacom covets.

NannerSlug · « **Reply #13 on:** February 24, 2004, 11:32:18 pm »

well.. the younger crowd.. sure.. but there is a way to make excelsior appeal that way without sexing it up like B & B have done to enterprise (lowest common denominator)..

i mean, TNG appealed to youth.. as did the later parts of DS9 (if you follow my logic - anything which b and b didnt touch)..

i mean seriously, tng appealed to many youth.. as did some of the movies even.. what has been stupid are the cheesey time lines or poor plots. tng has but one real movie which people will want to see over and over again - first contact.

its not just because of the borg.. watch it and enjoy the human interaction and how they solve issues (hint, its not tech driven).. now what has made some of the more successful trek stuff.. whether its the later part of DS9, or the TNG story lines.. (or TOS stuff/TMP movies) was all about character driven conflict/resolutions - think about it.. some of the best eppisodes have the LEAST technobabble involved - and used.. or at very least that technobabble stuff is kept to where you dont notice it.

enterprise started out okay where people were important.. but again, insert temporal cold war, time-traveling technobabble and what do have.. probably the most UNtrek show to date. and they wonder why ratings drop?

Magnum357 · « **Reply #14 on:** February 25, 2004, 01:20:22 am »

Ya, I agree Nanner. Maybe doing a prequel was not a bad idea, but Beavus and Butt head adding the Time crap/Temperal Cold war and no regard too Star Trek Consistancy, was a bad idea on their part. I heard a couple of years ago that B&B only added the Time stuff because one of them wanted too make a Sifi show off of the idea, but Paramount wouldn't agree with the idea I guess. What a horrible way for someone too produce a product off another proven design, using Star Trek too propel their idea of another Sifi show. Pathetic!

As for Sulu and the Excelcior, it would have been great, but I bet it would have been difficult too pull off and not confuse your average TV veiwer that this is actually years before the TNG era and the ships/tech is not quite as advanced. No doubt the core audience would have loved it, but the casual fan would most likely be confused.

And I agree with most, the Excelcior Class is one of the my favorite ships. Its probably why I like the Ent-E too because I heard that some elements of the Soverign design are actually based off of the old Excelciors.

EmeraldEdge · « **Reply #15 on:** February 25, 2004, 02:08:07 am »

I agree. First Contact is going to be the post TMP movie that everyone will bother watching, because it's the most human. That's one issue I actually had with a lot of TNG was that it was very stiff, imo, but did have it's moments. I actually preferred some of DS9. It's funny though, because when you think about it TNG started out with the scantily clad counselor out of starfleet uniform, didn't it? Although TNG did seem to turn into a soap opera after a while. B&B are amazing hacks who have a pretty limited number of ideas and won't even risk moving outside the small zone in which their imaginations reside, and that's one of the reasons Trek is in the situation it's in. The Trek universe is pretty large and diverse, but they only have the same ideas over and over. (BTW, I loathe the TNG romulans. Those stupid head ridges make no sense at all, not sure who's idea that was, but I wouldn't put it past Berman just to do something different than TOS).

It's also possible to have young people without having it be sexual. It just means that they could be young and pleasing to look at, along with older mentor figures in command. Sulu could make a pretty good Captain.

And let's talk techno babble. Ugh! It's all nice and good if it's in the background, but when you use it to solve every issue it's not good. It's bad writing, plain and simple, and I believe it also may alienate the average viewer, as they couldn't care less about a 10 minute sequence on realligning the warp coils. That's not really what good Sci-fi is about anyway. It's about the human spirit and how even in the future it's that very same spirit that get's things done. They don't solve the problems by being human and figuring a way out anymore, they use the magic reconfigure/reallign button and suddenly everything is solved, yet another reason that modern Trek bothers me. If it was so easy to amp up the power of the phasers and sensors then why wasn't it done before. Just suddenly in the middle of a battle "Hmmm, Captain, I think if I shift power from the main sensor array and route it into the secondary phaser coupling I can increase phaser output by 200%, should I do it?" Grrrr. Would it be so bad to maybe lose a battle, maybe have to run once in a while, as long as the war is won (meaning the end of the overall plot) perhaps you could show more character growth through a loss. Heck, Spock died, and even though they brought him back it was about losing a battle (spock dying) but then winning the in the end (bringing him back), and you actually got a lot more development out of the character than if you had them sitting around the lounge on the ship discussing stuff, they did everything on the move, and that's yet another thing that made it more interesting.

Cleaven · « **Reply #16 on:** February 25, 2004, 04:30:36 am »

I wonder how fans would react to a new series of animated Star Trek, with new actors playing Kirk, Spock etc. I believe there are a stack of scripts still lying around.

TOCXOBearslayer · « **Reply #17 on:** February 25, 2004, 04:56:58 am »

Yep, some very correct answers here....

Look at B5.... it was plot driven by the characters. Not the technology.

Hell, B6 reruns were kicking DS9's butt so bad that Paramount ended up copying B5 and making the series something more than a string of one hour solutions.

The prequel or a post TMP series could have been great with good characters and good plots. Unforutnately, it is too tech driven.....

Raniz Murjuri · « **Reply #18 on:** February 25, 2004, 05:28:33 am »

i'm really not impressed with the whole deal.

If Berman would have got off his Fat Arse, and did things the way they should have..
I was looking forward to watching the Past lead up to the future, in the Enterprise Series.
Not the Past evoloving into something other than Kirk,Spock,Riker,Data,picard,Worf,Janeway..Ect..Ect..Ect..

I'm inclinded to think Enerprise has killed off the future to make it's own future, One without all the guys we grew up with.

I watch episode after episode.. and there's just too many things.. that dont coincide with the future as we know Trek
It started off by using a Akira Class Ship in a Time when it wasn't even on the drawing board.
Next.. I dont remeber the Vulcans Not Helping the federation in anyway shape or form.

Why is Berman not focused on Klingons? and how there came to be a War with them?
Why is he not focused on the Federation Expansion and space boundries?
Where does the Enterprise fly anyways? Cant be federation space.. they just got into space exploration.
Why is he not focused on the Plight of the Federations Call to The universe?

Poor guy is too busy fighting a Tech war that didn't happen yet.

2 years of running this Series.. and only 2 past tense Races are used besides the Vulcans.

They need to replace Berman with Shatner and the writers with older scripts.
Why Shatner?
Because he was the Start of Rodenberry's Dream. I believe Shatner would replace the show with the actual story line.

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